For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

MUSCLEMUSTANG65 · 03-17-2009, 04:00 AM

Im thinking of building a 400rwhp N/A motor. For you guys that HAVE DONE THIS, can you help me out with a list of what i need and brands? I was thinking about doing a stroker and stage 2 crowers but thats as far as i have planned it out. Would appriciate the help.

2k4mach · 03-17-2009, 10:05 AM

all depends on how much money you want to spend. personally id go with a set of comp cams instead of crowers.
what intake are you planning on running?

2k4mach · 03-17-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

400N/A would mean a stroker with ported heads and stage3 cams, ported intake, spacer, Accufab TB, electric WP, Kooks LTs and 4:30 gears to work with the cams...........and a good tuner.

ALL available at PERFORMANCE SOLUTION (602) 269-8955

sounds familar

ponygt65 · 03-17-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

400N/A would mean a stroker with ported heads and stage3 cams, ported intake, spacer, Accufab TB, electric WP, Kooks LTs and 4:30 gears to work with the cams...........and a good tuner.

ALL available at PERFORMANCE SOLUTION (602) 269-8955

Is an A/M TB really necessary at 400rwhp?

not trying to be a smartass like usual. I'm seriously wondering if and why.

ponygt65 · 03-17-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

MO FLO FOO!

At 400rwhp?.

OK S.A....I know 'why' one would want an a/m TB..I asked if one would really be nec. at that power level.

2k4mach · 03-17-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Hush and go play wif yo SmartCar and let the Big Boys talk about REAL cars!!

dont ya mean those of us that own REAL cars

کcяεαмιηĐεмση! · 03-17-2009, 12:37 PM

I don't own a Smart Car or a Real car.........................so what am i to go do?

DanB · 03-17-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MUSCLEMUSTANG65

Im thinking of building a 400rwhp N/A motor. For you guys that HAVE DONE THIS, can you help me out with a list of what i need and brands? I was thinking about doing a stroker and stage 2 crowers but thats as far as i have planned it out. Would appriciate the help.

i would use the comp cams products

DanB · 03-17-2009, 12:40 PM

call me ill help you set it up my number is 602 269 8955

ponygt65 · 03-17-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Hush and go play wif yo SmartCar and let the Big Boys talk about REAL cars!!

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Originally Posted by 2k4mach

dont ya mean those of us that own REAL cars

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Yeah........that should be a given.

OUCH!...

OH, and I wouldnt' fit in a smart car...I think y'all would know that. LOL

BTW - I was seriously wondering Bill.....BRAT!

ponygt65 · 03-17-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

DON'T BE "MACH BLOCKIN'" ME FOO!

!

I wasn't.....I was asking FOO!.

MUSCLEMUSTANG65 · 03-17-2009, 08:11 PM

Ok children,

back to the subject at hand. Lol. IF, and its a big IF, i can sell the vette i would hopefully have 6K to work with. I figured ported intake, stroker or big bore stroker kit, something around the same lope as crowes 2s, Not sure on the head port, long tubes, and a programmer. I saw an article awhile back where they got decent gains with mod rockers(I think thats it) but i cant find them anywhere.

4V FURY · 03-17-2009, 10:39 PM

The easiest way to get the power you are looking for is to sell both of your cars and buy mine, plain and simple! See sig below.

2k4mach · 03-17-2009, 11:56 PM

6k isnt really going to get you much bud.............

CompOrange · 03-18-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 2k4mach

6k isnt really going to get you much bud.............

No, not for what he's asking for.

2k4mach · 03-18-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CompOrange

No, not for what he's asking for.

yup i only wish my build only cost 6k, still im adding a lot more but ive got quite a bit more in my motor than 6k prolly

frisko4one5 · 03-18-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 2k4mach

sounds familar

yea probably going to need more than 6k for 400rwhp N/A ...probably going to cost you about 2-3k in labor

Newskool Mach · 03-18-2009, 12:19 AM

You might want to ask M1M to post a vid or check his credentials...I don't think he has actually built a 400 HP NA motor. And in your thread I think you said "actually built one".

MUSCLEMUSTANG65 · 03-18-2009, 01:37 AM

I know 6k doesnt go along way but its what ill have to work with. Parts will have to be decided to work within that. I REALLY want a turbo car but maybe just a rotate assy and used s/c may have to work. And 4V FURY, your car would definatly save alot of headache but it isnt very easy selling vehicles now days. How much u asking just out of curiosity?

ponygt65 · 03-18-2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MUSCLEMUSTANG65

I know 6k doesnt go along way but its what ill have to work with. Parts will have to be decided to work within that. I REALLY want a turbo car but maybe just a rotate assy and used s/c may have to work. And 4V FURY, your car would definatly save alot of headache but it isnt very easy selling vehicles now days. How much u asking just out of curiosity?

If you're looking for nice power and HAVE to stay under $6, that's what I would do.

but that's me.

Roy · 03-18-2009, 09:06 AM

Contact John at Modular Performance. They have built many competitive NMRA FS, PS, and even Renegade motors. You will at best get 50% usable info here. There is some pretty good stuff here but this is after all the internet. A person could give all kinds of advise weather he has any real qualifications or not. This kind of post usually just ends up in an argument.

Roy · 03-18-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

How is John going to keep him within his self imposed budget?
Is the guy supposed to assemble the engine himself? No to belittle him or anyone, but if he has to ask this question, then the chances of him being able to properly assemble his own block is slim.

You guys will do it for free?

Linumup · 03-18-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy

You guys will do it for free?

Roy clean out your PM box !!
A buddy needs a spacer .

Roy · 03-18-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Of course not! That's still not answering my question.

My first post was meant to tell him or anyone else for that matter that if you're serius about doing a motor the internet is not a good place to ask for advise. Someone who has the experience of mpjonn (and there is many others) who has built tons of wicked mod motors (just ask Shawn Jonston, Jeff Schmell, Mike Catapano, Brian Foley, Naz, etc, etc,....) will give him sure fire advice. You know as well as me what he can get from the internet. He will run into budget trouble with anyone on this project.

If I were in his shoes with $6K I would try it first with the stock bottom end, assuming its in decent shape. The rods a fairly light and to compression ratio is OK. The stock bottom end will handle 400 NA HP. If I put 6K into the top of the motor and all the best bolt ons I’m fairly confident I could make 400 NA with the stock short block. Even doing it this way the 6K would be close if not impossible if you couldn’t do the labor yourself.

4V FURY · 03-18-2009, 06:46 PM

PM sent to the OP.

03-17-2009, 04:00 AM	#1
MUSCLEMUSTANG65 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: WOODVILLE, AL Posts: 700	For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build Im thinking of building a 400rwhp N/A motor. For you guys that HAVE DONE THIS, can you help me out with a list of what i need and brands? I was thinking about doing a stroker and stage 2 crowers but thats as far as i have planned it out. Would appriciate the help. __________________ 2002 saleen S281SC

03-17-2009, 10:05 AM	#2
2k4mach LuLz Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 19,294	Re: For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build all depends on how much money you want to spend. personally id go with a set of comp cams instead of crowers. what intake are you planning on running? __________________ 11 Sterling gray GT500 coupe 08 Silver Z06 1058rwhp/1073rwt @ 15psi 14 Silver Q50S Vortech blown 04 DSG Mach 1 (stolen) 03 OW Mach 1 (sitting in a field rotting away)

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کcяεαмιηĐεмση! Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Macon,NC Posts: 288	Re: For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build I don't own a Smart Car or a Real car.........................so what am i to go do? __________________ Philippians 4:13 13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Hebrews 9:27 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment Romans 5:20 ....................................But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

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03-17-2009, 08:11 PM	#12
MUSCLEMUSTANG65 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: WOODVILLE, AL Posts: 700	Re: For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build Ok children, back to the subject at hand. Lol. IF, and its a big IF, i can sell the vette i would hopefully have 6K to work with. I figured ported intake, stroker or big bore stroker kit, something around the same lope as crowes 2s, Not sure on the head port, long tubes, and a programmer. I saw an article awhile back where they got decent gains with mod rockers(I think thats it) but i cant find them anywhere. __________________ 2002 saleen S281SC

03-17-2009, 10:39 PM	#13
4V FURY Lite Poster Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 1,382	Re: For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build The easiest way to get the power you are looking for is to sell both of your cars and buy mine, plain and simple! See sig below. __________________ SOLD COMPETITION ORANGE 04 MACH1 Naturally Aspirdated Boss330 heads/cams/intake + VT 324" shortblock 11.34 @ 125.62 on ET streets CRT-PERFORMANCE tuned Congrats to Redliner who has taken it to a best ET of 10.97 @ 124

03-17-2009, 11:56 PM	#14
2k4mach LuLz Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 19,294	Re: For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build 6k isnt really going to get you much bud............. __________________ 11 Sterling gray GT500 coupe 08 Silver Z06 1058rwhp/1073rwt @ 15psi 14 Silver Q50S Vortech blown 04 DSG Mach 1 (stolen) 03 OW Mach 1 (sitting in a field rotting away)

03-18-2009, 12:19 AM	#18
Newskool Mach 10 second club! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Royal Palm Beach FL. Posts: 2,472	Re: For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build You might want to ask M1M to post a vid or check his credentials...I don't think he has actually built a 400 HP NA motor. And in your thread I think you said "actually built one". __________________ 2014 GHIG GT auto soon to have the whoosh 03 Torch red auto (gone)

03-18-2009, 01:37 AM	#19
MUSCLEMUSTANG65 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: WOODVILLE, AL Posts: 700	Re: For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build I know 6k doesnt go along way but its what ill have to work with. Parts will have to be decided to work within that. I REALLY want a turbo car but maybe just a rotate assy and used s/c may have to work. And 4V FURY, your car would definatly save alot of headache but it isnt very easy selling vehicles now days. How much u asking just out of curiosity? __________________ 2002 saleen S281SC

03-18-2009, 09:06 AM	#21
Roy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: S.E. Mich. Posts: 3,446	Re: For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build Contact John at Modular Performance. They have built many competitive NMRA FS, PS, and even Renegade motors. You will at best get 50% usable info here. There is some pretty good stuff here but this is after all the internet. A person could give all kinds of advise weather he has any real qualifications or not. This kind of post usually just ends up in an argument. Last edited by Roy; 03-18-2009 at 09:39 AM.

03-18-2009, 06:46 PM	#25
4V FURY Lite Poster Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 1,382	Re: For the EXPERIENCED guys, Motor build PM sent to the OP. __________________ SOLD COMPETITION ORANGE 04 MACH1 Naturally Aspirdated Boss330 heads/cams/intake + VT 324" shortblock 11.34 @ 125.62 on ET streets CRT-PERFORMANCE tuned Congrats to Redliner who has taken it to a best ET of 10.97 @ 124

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