TR-3650 TSB out on April 30 - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

yellow bird · 04-22-2004, 06:18 PM

The Tremec representative at the Mustang 40th Anniversary Celebration in Nashville said the details of the fix for the 1-2 shift problems have been worked out with Ford. A kit containing all necessary parts will be issued along with a sticker for the transmission to indicate the new fluid level of 3.2 L. The issue date for the TSB is April 30, 2004. Great !!!

BlkMachWon · 04-22-2004, 06:23 PM

Hope that's April 2004.

Thanx for the update.

DSG2003Mach1 · 04-22-2004, 06:24 PM

sweeeeeeeeeet! I hope its finally true!

loathe · 04-22-2004, 06:39 PM

COOL! I'm going to talk to the dealership on may 1st.

terre4.6 · 04-22-2004, 07:02 PM

Does this include the 04 machs

yellow bird · 04-22-2004, 07:14 PM

Regarding 2004 models. Apparently they already have the "fix".

Medium Cool · 04-22-2004, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yellow bird
Regarding 2004 models. Apparently they already have the "fix".

I hope you're right...while I almost apologize for saying it, this is the smoothest tranmission and shifter that I can recall in many new cars.

Yet this preoccupation with an ultra "short shifter" is imho a mistake unless one shifts deliberately/carefully. The synchros require a small amount of time to do their job...the wrong shifter and technique will produce wailing and, er, gnashing of teeth.

Sapperstang · 04-22-2004, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yellow bird
Regarding 2004 models. Apparently they already have the "fix".

Hmmmm Thats funny. My tranny in the Mach acts just like the one that was in my 03 GT. I can't see where it was improved upon.

RotaryMagic · 04-23-2004, 05:18 AM

So what about 3rd gear problems?

STG · 04-24-2004, 08:14 AM

The owner's manual for my '04 says that the transmission should be filled to on half inch below the filler hole (3650). Does this represent 3.2 liters?

killer55 · 04-24-2004, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by RotaryMagic
So what about 3rd gear problems?

When the Tremec Product Mgr E-Mailed me he stated that this would fix that problem also.

I sure hope that is the case ????

2k4mk1 · 04-24-2004, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yellow bird
Regarding 2004 models. Apparently they already have the "fix".

Doubt it I get the 1-2 grind sometimes when shifting over 6k and have had 3rd gear lock out as well althogh only a couple times since shifter change.

2k4mach · 04-24-2004, 10:10 PM

i got the 1-2 grind and the 3rd gear lockout problem in my 04

STG · 04-24-2004, 10:22 PM

2,700 miles and no problems yet on my January 8, 2004 build date 2004. I'm not accumilating miles 1,320 feeet at a time and, like Medium Cool give the synchros a millisecond to work.

Did have the dealer change out the fluid ay 2,000 miles. When I saw Mercon V on the invoice, I had them put in plain Mercon (Dexron III).

yellow bird · 04-26-2004, 08:39 PM

My 2003 Mustang owner's guide states the fluid level should be 1/2" below the edge of the filler hole as per post of STG on 4/24. However, the maintenance and specifications section of the manual on page 201 state the capacity is 3.8 L. Therefore, either the manual was not updated, or the revision to 3.2 L came out after the 2004's were in production. It appears the level of 1/2" is incorrect for a fill of 3.2L. (It should be greater.)

PS - I have e-mailed techical support at Tremec about the 3rd gear problem and to verify that the 2004 models do indeed have the revised parts. Will let you know when I hear from them.

Eric C Doescher · 04-26-2004, 11:46 PM

Yellowbird, are you sure its only a 03 fix, ive had mine changed three months ago and it still has the slight grind to second and now its warming up here in New Orleans and its getting better, but only because its not cold anymore. I seem to doubt that the 04 have already got this fix, every other 03 problem i got on my 04 appears to never been fixed during orginal manufacturing, i sure hope youre wrong. my dealership wont fix mine unless it applies to the 04, if its only for a 03 they say they have to wait for the 04 bulliten to come out. Iam bringing the squeaky shaker in tomorrow to get fixed with the kit. that also was a 03 problem. They wont fix the seat rub no bulliten yet for 04.

Thanks
Skidmarks 6

STG · 04-27-2004, 12:26 AM

Eric,

Am I reading your post correctly? Your seat rubs, but your dealer won't fix it because there's no TSB on it?

THAT'S NUTS!

Is your dealer telling you that they will only fix warranty problems that have a TSB? If so, no warranty repairs would ever be made without a TSB and therefore, no warranty repairs would EVER be done.

Either your seat rubs or it doesn't. If it does, Ford needs to fix it. I would contact the owner of the dealership and tell him that, as a courtesy to HIM, you made the effort to get in touch before going directly to Ford.

Maybe you need to find another dealer.

Vic229 · 04-28-2004, 01:34 AM

Awsome, about time Ford came out with a tsb for the tranny, now if they can only figure out why my mach keeps dying out when I come to a stop or driving down the freeway

yellow bird · 04-28-2004, 09:50 AM

The responses from Tremec regarding the 2003, 2004 models, and the 3rd gear problem are listed below.

Does this TSB apply only to the 2003 Mach 1?

It will be for all cars still under warranty that have not been modified by the owner and will include the 2003 Mach 1.

Did I understand you to say that the 2004 Mach 1's already have the new/revised parts installed?

Yes, the parts that are in the upgrade kit are in the new transmissions for 2004.

Will the kit also include any parts for the 3rd gear problem that some people have mentioned?

Yes, it will address the parts for the 1-2 nibble and the 2-3 clash.

04azuremach · 04-29-2004, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yellow bird
The responses from Tremec regarding the 2003, 2004 models, and the 3rd gear problem are listed below.

Does this TSB apply only to the 2003 Mach 1?

It will be for all cars still under warranty that have not been modified by the owner and will include the 2003 Mach 1.

Did I understand you to say that the 2004 Mach 1's already have the new/revised parts installed?

Yes, the parts that are in the upgrade kit are in the new transmissions for 2004.

Will the kit also include any parts for the 3rd gear problem that some people have mentioned?

Yes, it will address the parts for the 1-2 nibble and the 2-3 clash.

I hope they still apply to the '04 Mach's... maybe they meant the TERMEC's that are being made IN 2004 (probably used in other cars than the Mach and Mustang) has the fix... maybe the '04 Mach has the '03 Tranny?? I have an '04 Mach and my 1-2 grind is TERRIBLE!

04azuremach · 04-29-2004, 01:59 AM

Who are you contacting at tremec? Could you either give me their contact or see what they say about '04 Mach's having the same issue?

edit: nevermind, already went to their website and I sent them an e-mail about it.. I'll post anything I get from them...

Mach1Phreak · 04-30-2004, 04:12 PM

TODAY IS -4-30-2004.

Does any one know if the TSB has been released?

Golions · 04-30-2004, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yellow bird
The Tremec representative at the Mustang 40th Anniversary Celebration in Nashville said the details of the fix for the 1-2 shift problems have been worked out with Ford. A kit containing all necessary parts will be issued along with a sticker for the transmission to indicate the new fluid level of 3.2 L. The issue date for the TSB is April 30, 2004. Great !!!

Well today is the 30th. Let me guess another TSB date gone by with nothing to show. I hope we see one soon, but I am not banking on it.

GiddyUp!

:THUMBSUP:

yellow bird · 04-30-2004, 11:07 PM

I had my service manager check this morning and as of 10am (EDT), he could not find the TSB. He was going to check later in the day, but today is Friday. Will check again on Monday.

STG · 05-01-2004, 09:14 AM

I e-mailed and later phoned Tremec to find out a few things for my self.

I was concerned with the correct fluid and amount to use in my 2004 Mach1 and to find out once and for all if 2004s are prone to the 1-2 grind.

Here's the e-mail response:

The correct fluid is the Mercon/Dexron III product, we use the GM
Synchromesh where there are only brass rings involved. The correct fluid
level is 3.2L.

Since your car was built in Jan-04, you will not need the update for the
1-2 shift.

Jon A. Vieth
Product Line Manager

Later, I spoke with Jon and he could not confirm just how far below the filler hole 3.2 liters is (is it 1/2 inch, like my 2004 owner's manual states?). He stated that all Tremec 3650s present in 2004 Mach1s have the updated parts that will be specified in the upcoming TSB.

He also stated that the 3650s seem to need about 5000 miles before they're broken in and smooth out.

Note what Jon said about GM Syncromesh fluid. I've seen it recommended in several places, but the 3650 doesn't have any brass rings. The correct stuff is Mercon/Dexron III.

04-22-2004, 06:18 PM	#1
yellow bird Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	TR-3650 TSB out on April 30 The Tremec representative at the Mustang 40th Anniversary Celebration in Nashville said the details of the fix for the 1-2 shift problems have been worked out with Ford. A kit containing all necessary parts will be issued along with a sticker for the transmission to indicate the new fluid level of 3.2 L. The issue date for the TSB is April 30, 2004. Great !!!

04-22-2004, 06:23 PM	#2
BlkMachWon WTF? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 336	Hope that's April 2004. Thanx for the update. __________________ 03 GT 73 Mav

04-22-2004, 06:24 PM	#3
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04-24-2004, 08:14 AM	#10
STG Guest Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Screw California, Hello Cody, WY! Posts: 1,921	2004 3650 FLUID LEVEL The owner's manual for my '04 says that the transmission should be filled to on half inch below the filler hole (3650). Does this represent 3.2 liters?

04-24-2004, 10:10 PM	#13
2k4mach LuLz Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 19,294	i got the 1-2 grind and the 3rd gear lockout problem in my 04 __________________ 11 Sterling gray GT500 coupe 08 Silver Z06 1058rwhp/1073rwt @ 15psi 14 Silver Q50S Vortech blown 04 DSG Mach 1 (stolen) 03 OW Mach 1 (sitting in a field rotting away)

04-22-2004, 06:39 PM	#4
loathe SHAKEN, Not Stirred! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pearland, TX Posts: 1,408	COOL! I'm going to talk to the dealership on may 1st.

04-22-2004, 07:02 PM	#5
terre4.6 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Aurora,CO Posts: 148	Does this include the 04 machs

04-22-2004, 07:14 PM	#6
yellow bird Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	Regarding 2004 models. Apparently they already have the "fix".

04-23-2004, 05:18 AM	#9
RotaryMagic Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 988	So what about 3rd gear problems?

04-24-2004, 10:22 PM	#14
STG Guest Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Screw California, Hello Cody, WY! Posts: 1,921	KEEPING MT FINGERS CROSSED 2,700 miles and no problems yet on my January 8, 2004 build date 2004. I'm not accumilating miles 1,320 feeet at a time and, like Medium Cool give the synchros a millisecond to work. Did have the dealer change out the fluid ay 2,000 miles. When I saw Mercon V on the invoice, I had them put in plain Mercon (Dexron III).

04-26-2004, 08:39 PM	#15
yellow bird Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	2004 3650 fluid level, etc My 2003 Mustang owner's guide states the fluid level should be 1/2" below the edge of the filler hole as per post of STG on 4/24. However, the maintenance and specifications section of the manual on page 201 state the capacity is 3.8 L. Therefore, either the manual was not updated, or the revision to 3.2 L came out after the 2004's were in production. It appears the level of 1/2" is incorrect for a fill of 3.2L. (It should be greater.) PS - I have e-mailed techical support at Tremec about the 3rd gear problem and to verify that the 2004 models do indeed have the revised parts. Will let you know when I hear from them.

04-26-2004, 11:46 PM	#16
Eric C Doescher Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 30	1-2 grind, 04 mach Yellowbird, are you sure its only a 03 fix, ive had mine changed three months ago and it still has the slight grind to second and now its warming up here in New Orleans and its getting better, but only because its not cold anymore. I seem to doubt that the 04 have already got this fix, every other 03 problem i got on my 04 appears to never been fixed during orginal manufacturing, i sure hope youre wrong. my dealership wont fix mine unless it applies to the 04, if its only for a 03 they say they have to wait for the 04 bulliten to come out. Iam bringing the squeaky shaker in tomorrow to get fixed with the kit. that also was a 03 problem. They wont fix the seat rub no bulliten yet for 04. Thanks Skidmarks 6 __________________ Skidmarks6

04-27-2004, 12:26 AM	#17
STG Guest Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Screw California, Hello Cody, WY! Posts: 1,921	HUH? Eric, Am I reading your post correctly? Your seat rubs, but your dealer won't fix it because there's no TSB on it? THAT'S NUTS! Is your dealer telling you that they will only fix warranty problems that have a TSB? If so, no warranty repairs would ever be made without a TSB and therefore, no warranty repairs would EVER be done. Either your seat rubs or it doesn't. If it does, Ford needs to fix it. I would contact the owner of the dealership and tell him that, as a courtesy to HIM, you made the effort to get in touch before going directly to Ford. Maybe you need to find another dealer.

04-28-2004, 01:34 AM	#18
Vic229 1 Bad A$$ Blue Mach 1 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orange, California Posts: 1,262	Awsome, about time Ford came out with a tsb for the tranny, now if they can only figure out why my mach keeps dying out when I come to a stop or driving down the freeway __________________ 03 Azure Blue Mach 1 Intercooled KB 1.7 / VT Block / FR500 Cam Kit / Promotion 3650 / AND OTHER GO FAST GOODIES 450 HP / 400 TQ at 8psi Corner Carver Not A Drag Queen

04-28-2004, 09:50 AM	#19
yellow bird Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	Tremec response The responses from Tremec regarding the 2003, 2004 models, and the 3rd gear problem are listed below. Does this TSB apply only to the 2003 Mach 1? It will be for all cars still under warranty that have not been modified by the owner and will include the 2003 Mach 1. Did I understand you to say that the 2004 Mach 1's already have the new/revised parts installed? Yes, the parts that are in the upgrade kit are in the new transmissions for 2004. Will the kit also include any parts for the 3rd gear problem that some people have mentioned? Yes, it will address the parts for the 1-2 nibble and the 2-3 clash.

04-29-2004, 01:59 AM	#21
04azuremach Loud, fast and fun Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Owning Ricers at MIR Posts: 7,864	Re: Re: Tremec response Who are you contacting at tremec? Could you either give me their contact or see what they say about '04 Mach's having the same issue? edit: nevermind, already went to their website and I sent them an e-mail about it.. I'll post anything I get from them... Last edited by 04azuremach; 04-29-2004 at 02:07 AM.

04-30-2004, 04:12 PM	#22
Mach1Phreak Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 58	TODAY IS -4-30-2004. Does any one know if the TSB has been released?

04-30-2004, 11:07 PM	#24
yellow bird Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	I had my service manager check this morning and as of 10am (EDT), he could not find the TSB. He was going to check later in the day, but today is Friday. Will check again on Monday.

05-01-2004, 09:14 AM	#25
STG Guest Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Screw California, Hello Cody, WY! Posts: 1,921	WHAT TREMEC TOLD ME I e-mailed and later phoned Tremec to find out a few things for my self. I was concerned with the correct fluid and amount to use in my 2004 Mach1 and to find out once and for all if 2004s are prone to the 1-2 grind. Here's the e-mail response: The correct fluid is the Mercon/Dexron III product, we use the GM Synchromesh where there are only brass rings involved. The correct fluid level is 3.2L. Since your car was built in Jan-04, you will not need the update for the 1-2 shift. Jon A. Vieth Product Line Manager Later, I spoke with Jon and he could not confirm just how far below the filler hole 3.2 liters is (is it 1/2 inch, like my 2004 owner's manual states?). He stated that all Tremec 3650s present in 2004 Mach1s have the updated parts that will be specified in the upcoming TSB. He also stated that the 3650s seem to need about 5000 miles before they're broken in and smooth out. Note what Jon said about GM Syncromesh fluid. I've seen it recommended in several places, but the 3650 doesn't have any brass rings. The correct stuff is Mercon/Dexron III.

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