T56 magnum swap - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

03machstock · 07-14-2014, 01:25 PM

Looking hard into doing a t56 magnum swap. Those of you that did it, how much was everything when all said and done including clutch, driveshaft, crossmember, ect. Was it worth it? Do you have close or wide ratio? Want to go built motor/ blown in the future and trans is giving me problems now so trying to figure everything out. Please read post #18 for latest question
Thanks,
Dan

PeteEpple · 07-14-2014, 03:38 PM

It's definitely an expensive sway. I got everything through MM&FF when i did mine, but I wont have another H-pattern stick car without a Magnum. If you're going to keep it a stick, there is no other option IMO.

PeteEpple · 07-14-2014, 03:58 PM

and I've driven and raced all of them.... T5, T45, tko500, tko600, 3650, T56 TR6060, MT82.... T56 Magnum is by far my favorite!

03machstock · 07-14-2014, 04:12 PM

Thanks for the response Pete, definately helping push me over that edge, haha, now just need to save up enough to pull this off.

Rays R Code · 07-14-2014, 05:12 PM

I did the T56 Magnum swap about 3 1/2 years ago, they advertise it to being the smoothest shifting tranny on the planet and it is..... I got mine as a complete swap from Joe at D&D Performance in Mich. It included the Transmission, Aluminum Drive shaft, Bell Housing, rear Cross member, and the reverse inhibitor electrical plug. I went with the 2.97 first gear. I've run it hard at the track, and launched it hard with no issues what so ever. It's a little pricey but well worth the investment if you're dealing with missed shifts and 2nd-3rd lockout at high RPM shifts.

Ray....

32VALVR · 07-15-2014, 05:06 PM

I paid about $2400 for everything shipped. Bought it off a guy on SVTP about 3 years ago.

03machstock · 07-15-2014, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 32VALVR

I paid about $2400 for everything shipped. Bought it off a guy on SVTP about 3 years ago.

You my friend got a smokin deal!

32VALVR · 07-15-2014, 05:56 PM

It wasn't a Magnum but did have a 26 spline input.

littlemags · 07-15-2014, 09:28 PM

I guess I will be the downer in this. I hated it...to the point of driving was no fun for me. Granted I have a higher horsepower car than most and going to the track and racing was annoying.

03machstock · 07-15-2014, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by littlemags

I guess I will be the downer in this. I hated it...to the point of driving was no fun for me. Granted I have a higher horsepower car than most and going to the track and racing was annoying.

What trans are you running now?

jbrad88 · 07-16-2014, 08:14 AM

this is one of those wish list items...I have never liked my 3650. It shifts like the first 3550 Tremec's did when they came out for our Foxes...

the tko I had in my fox shifted nicer, and it was a rock crusher...

Best shifting trans I ever had was the z-code t-5......

anyway...the t-56 is on the list..just need 5k to put it all together

PeteEpple · 07-16-2014, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlemags

I guess I will be the downer in this. I hated it...to the point of driving was no fun for me. Granted I have a higher horsepower car than most and going to the track and racing was annoying.

how much power? i have one behind a 740hp NA sbf and it shifts great. Was something wrong with your combo? firewall flex? clutch ballooning?

littlemags · 07-16-2014, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 03machstock

what trans are you running now?

th400....

littlemags · 07-16-2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteEpple

how much power? i have one behind a 740hp NA sbf and it shifts great. Was something wrong with your combo? firewall flex? clutch ballooning?

824...boosted with nitrous and made shifting a nightmare

PeteEpple · 07-16-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by littlemags

824...boosted with nitrous and made shifting a nightmare

I'm surprised to hear that. I have had nothing but luck with all three of my Magnums. car sounds like fun tho!

littlemags · 07-16-2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteEpple

I'm surprised to hear that. I have had nothing but luck with all three of my Magnums. car sounds like fun tho!

yeah...one rst clutch smoked after 5 runs...glazed the clutch. RXT worked good for sure...but I wasnt enjoying my car with that trans in it.
full man auto improved my driving experience to say the least...

32VALVR · 07-16-2014, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlemags

I guess I will be the downer in this. I hated it...to the point of driving was no fun for me. Granted I have a higher horsepower car than most and going to the track and racing was annoying.

I"ll have to agree with this. Although my T56 was not a Magnum and had a 2.66 1st, it was great on the street but awful on the strip. I went to it after rebuilding my 3650 4 times until I twisted the input shaft. I'm now running a 4R70W overdrive auto and love it, except coming down the canyons.

03machstock · 07-19-2014, 03:45 AM

Can anyone validate the info i found below as far as what all is needed to swap from the 3650 to the t56 magnum?

You will need the following:

1. T56 Magnum..either the close ratio version 2.66 1st .63 6th or the wide ratio which has a 2.97 1st and a .50 6th

2. Bell Housing. An alulminum one runs as much as a QuickTime Steel bell so go QuickTime (plus, it's SFI rated)

3. New clutch disc. Assuming your pressure plate and flywheel are in good shape, then all you need is a 26 spline clutch disc. The 3650 has a 10 spline input, the Magnum is 26.

4. Modify your cross member. If you have a GT all you have to do is slide your current cross member rearward in the slotted mounts to pickup the tail housing of the magnum. If you have a Cobra, you will need to modify it slightly.

5. Shorten your current driveshaft 2".

6. The bolt pattern on the shifter for the 3650 is metric where the Magnum uses 3/8" bolts. You can either buy a new shifter handle or drill out the bolt holes on your factory handle to 3/8" and call it done.

That's basically all you need. All your wiring from the 3650 harness will transfer straight over to the Magnum. The slip yoke on your driveshaft will fit the output shaft of the Magnum but like I said above, you will have to have the D/S shortened 2".

Bmeagher · 07-19-2014, 10:08 AM

When I pick one up, it'll be with the 2.66 1st, but the .50 6th.

http://www.rsgear.com/products/trans...remec-t56.aspx

Nekasrof · 07-19-2014, 12:10 PM

I went with a Gforce T56 w/2.66 1st.
26spline input shaft w/Spec Stage 3 clutch
Pro5.0 shifter with factory handle
Cobra driveshaft with Steeda spacer.
QuickTime bellhousing
4.10 gears
Approx 640rwhp
Procharged

We don't drive the car on the street too often. But when we do, it's very easy to drive...and fun. Even just putzing down the road.

ShakeMe · 07-19-2014, 05:17 PM

School me on the different ratio choices. I have 4.30s and the stock 3650 and my weapon of choice is N2O with 28" tires. NA 26" tires.

1st - 3.38; 2nd - 2.00; 3rd - 1.32; 4th - 1.00; 5th - 0.62

T56:
2.66, 1.78, 1.30, 1.00 .80, .63

2.97, 2.10, 1.46, 1.00, .74, .50

Nekasrof · 07-20-2014, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShakeMe

School me on the different ratio choices. I have 4.30s and the stock 3650 and my weapon of choice is N2O with 28" tires. NA 26" tires.

1st - 3.38; 2nd - 2.00; 3rd - 1.32; 4th - 1.00; 5th - 0.62

T56:
2.66, 1.78, 1.30, 1.00 .80, .63

2.97, 2.10, 1.46, 1.00, .74, .50

I would think the 2.66 1st gear becomes a little more usable. But I'm not a drag race guy.
I use 4.10s with the 2.66 and I can use 1st gear with care. When I had the 3650 in there, 1st gear was useless.

ShakeMe · 07-20-2014, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nekasrof

I would think the 2.66 1st gear becomes a little more usable. But I'm not a drag race guy.
I use 4.10s with the 2.66 and I can use 1st gear with care. When I had the 3650 in there, 1st gear was useless.

With the 4.30s and a nitrous launch, first gear goes really quick. Even on the street I can take off from a dead stop in 2nd gear.

not a gt · 07-20-2014, 04:15 PM

When I had the 3650 in there, 1st gear was useless
Agree, this is my present setup with 4.10's, great thread, good info

03machstock · 08-09-2014, 01:04 PM

Can anyone confirm post 18?

07-14-2014, 03:38 PM	#2
PeteEpple Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 738	Re: T56 magnum swap It's definitely an expensive sway. I got everything through MM&FF when i did mine, but I wont have another H-pattern stick car without a Magnum. If you're going to keep it a stick, there is no other option IMO. __________________ 3 pedals... 2 bottles... and 1 loose nut behind the wheel!

07-14-2014, 03:58 PM	#3
PeteEpple Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 738	Re: T56 magnum swap and I've driven and raced all of them.... T5, T45, tko500, tko600, 3650, T56 TR6060, MT82.... T56 Magnum is by far my favorite! __________________ 3 pedals... 2 bottles... and 1 loose nut behind the wheel!

07-14-2014, 04:12 PM	#4
03machstock Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 323	Re: T56 magnum swap Thanks for the response Pete, definately helping push me over that edge, haha, now just need to save up enough to pull this off. __________________ 2003 Mach 1- Azure Blue-Manual- Intake/exhaust/ 01 cobra cams/ NX wet kit- 351 rwhp 350 rwtq N/A- 460 rwhp 557 rwtq 100 shot.

07-14-2014, 05:12 PM	#5
Rays R Code Old Dude Having Fun !!!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Virginia Beach, VA. Posts: 257	Re: T56 magnum swap I did the T56 Magnum swap about 3 1/2 years ago, they advertise it to being the smoothest shifting tranny on the planet and it is..... I got mine as a complete swap from Joe at D&D Performance in Mich. It included the Transmission, Aluminum Drive shaft, Bell Housing, rear Cross member, and the reverse inhibitor electrical plug. I went with the 2.97 first gear. I've run it hard at the track, and launched it hard with no issues what so ever. It's a little pricey but well worth the investment if you're dealing with missed shifts and 2nd-3rd lockout at high RPM shifts. Ray.... __________________ 04 DSG, IUP, Bassani Catted X, Bassani Catback, P1sc Procharged, 8 PSI, 465 RWHP/437 TORQ:, T56 Magnum 6 spd, 31 spline Detroit Tru-Trac , 31 spline Mosers, FRPP 410's, MM UCA's & LCA's, Tuned by Brent Hughes @ DTP Racing.... Enough not to be the slowest, I love being blown!!!!!! Best 1/4 mile time 11.79 @ 117.90 with a 1.65 60' at MIR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK6s8AGapwQ

07-15-2014, 05:06 PM	#6
32VALVR Registered Mach Abuser Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,695	Re: T56 magnum swap I paid about $2400 for everything shipped. Bought it off a guy on SVTP about 3 years ago. __________________ 04 O/W 5sp with Kenne Bell 2.1 intercooled kit@ 10lbs.

07-14-2014, 01:25 PM	#1
03machstock Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 323	T56 magnum swap Looking hard into doing a t56 magnum swap. Those of you that did it, how much was everything when all said and done including clutch, driveshaft, crossmember, ect. Was it worth it? Do you have close or wide ratio? Want to go built motor/ blown in the future and trans is giving me problems now so trying to figure everything out. Please read post #18 for latest question Thanks, Dan __________________ 2003 Mach 1- Azure Blue-Manual- Intake/exhaust/ 01 cobra cams/ NX wet kit- 351 rwhp 350 rwtq N/A- 460 rwhp 557 rwtq 100 shot. Last edited by 03machstock; 07-20-2014 at 07:41 AM.

07-15-2014, 05:56 PM	#8
32VALVR Registered Mach Abuser Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,695	Re: T56 magnum swap It wasn't a Magnum but did have a 26 spline input. __________________ 04 O/W 5sp with Kenne Bell 2.1 intercooled kit@ 10lbs.

07-15-2014, 09:28 PM	#9
littlemags finally paid for Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ypsilanti Twp, Mi Posts: 4,077	Re: T56 magnum swap I guess I will be the downer in this. I hated it...to the point of driving was no fun for me. Granted I have a higher horsepower car than most and going to the track and racing was annoying. __________________ 2004 mach 1-turbo build in progress.. Fast xfi 2.0 OLD combo- 826rwhp/720 trq -100 shot NX 9.13@154 on 100 shot NEW- in progress...

07-16-2014, 08:14 AM	#11
jbrad88 Original Owner Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,172	Re: T56 magnum swap this is one of those wish list items...I have never liked my 3650. It shifts like the first 3550 Tremec's did when they came out for our Foxes... the tko I had in my fox shifted nicer, and it was a rock crusher... Best shifting trans I ever had was the z-code t-5...... anyway...the t-56 is on the list..just need 5k to put it all together __________________ JB 03 Torch Red Mach 1 21 FJG Mach 1 Stainless Steel Systems Adrenaline Series BBK long tube headers catted x pipe 18x9 18x10- Solid Gloss Black FR5's Nitto 555 g2 275/35r18's 285/35r18 MGW Shifter With Mach1 Shift Knob 4.10's & 31 spline Mosers and 31 Spline Posi Steeda Sport Springs Tokiko Illuminas J@M weight Jacker LCA's J@M Rear UCA's J@M Braided steel brake lines Eibach Sway Bars

07-19-2014, 03:45 AM	#18
03machstock Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 323	Re: T56 magnum swap Can anyone validate the info i found below as far as what all is needed to swap from the 3650 to the t56 magnum? You will need the following: 1. T56 Magnum..either the close ratio version 2.66 1st .63 6th or the wide ratio which has a 2.97 1st and a .50 6th 2. Bell Housing. An alulminum one runs as much as a QuickTime Steel bell so go QuickTime (plus, it's SFI rated) 3. New clutch disc. Assuming your pressure plate and flywheel are in good shape, then all you need is a 26 spline clutch disc. The 3650 has a 10 spline input, the Magnum is 26. 4. Modify your cross member. If you have a GT all you have to do is slide your current cross member rearward in the slotted mounts to pickup the tail housing of the magnum. If you have a Cobra, you will need to modify it slightly. 5. Shorten your current driveshaft 2". 6. The bolt pattern on the shifter for the 3650 is metric where the Magnum uses 3/8" bolts. You can either buy a new shifter handle or drill out the bolt holes on your factory handle to 3/8" and call it done. That's basically all you need. All your wiring from the 3650 harness will transfer straight over to the Magnum. The slip yoke on your driveshaft will fit the output shaft of the Magnum but like I said above, you will have to have the D/S shortened 2". __________________ 2003 Mach 1- Azure Blue-Manual- Intake/exhaust/ 01 cobra cams/ NX wet kit- 351 rwhp 350 rwtq N/A- 460 rwhp 557 rwtq 100 shot. Last edited by 03machstock; 07-20-2014 at 07:43 AM.

07-19-2014, 10:08 AM	#19
Bmeagher Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cowtown, Alberta Posts: 1,261	Re: T56 magnum swap When I pick one up, it'll be with the 2.66 1st, but the .50 6th. http://www.rsgear.com/products/trans...remec-t56.aspx __________________ Maximum Motorsports race series shocks/struts, coilovers front and rear, K member, bump steer kit, solid steering shaft, Panhard bar. Built Rear End with 4.30's, Hooker longtubes, Comp 106100's, Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel, Centerforce DF, *FR500 intaked 1/2" Spacer, Livernois Springs, Ford GT Followers in the works.* *SAE 378RWHP ,302 ft/lbs* 70-120mph run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hqjiOeYWAE

07-19-2014, 12:10 PM	#20
Nekasrof Hillclimb Extraodinaire Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Perkiomenville, PA Posts: 2,594	Re: T56 magnum swap I went with a Gforce T56 w/2.66 1st. 26spline input shaft w/Spec Stage 3 clutch Pro5.0 shifter with factory handle Cobra driveshaft with Steeda spacer. QuickTime bellhousing 4.10 gears Approx 640rwhp Procharged We don't drive the car on the street too often. But when we do, it's very easy to drive...and fun. Even just putzing down the road. __________________ RIP - Destroyed August 15, 2015 Motor + Procharger + driver = Baddest hillclimbing Mach 1 in the country Mustang dyno: 538hp/481tq @ 14lbs/19deg timing DynoJet comparison: 600hp/539tq Looking for more hillclimbers!

07-19-2014, 05:17 PM	#21
ShakeMe Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: TX. Posts: 2,511	Re: T56 magnum swap School me on the different ratio choices. I have 4.30s and the stock 3650 and my weapon of choice is N2O with 28" tires. NA 26" tires. 1st - 3.38; 2nd - 2.00; 3rd - 1.32; 4th - 1.00; 5th - 0.62 T56: 2.66, 1.78, 1.30, 1.00 .80, .63 2.97, 2.10, 1.46, 1.00, .74, .50 __________________ 03 Mach DSG Build Date 07/25/03 Feb 09 N2O 10.91 @ 124.21(1.55 60ft) Feb 09 NA 11.85 @ 112.87 (1.60 60ft)

07-20-2014, 04:15 PM	#24
not a gt Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waaayy out in the country,leave your GPS at home! Posts: 4,825	Re: T56 magnum swap When I had the 3650 in there, 1st gear was useless Agree, this is my present setup with 4.10's, great thread, good info __________________ 2003 DSG Mach 1-03 Cobra Term/T56 swap: 2.3L Whipple,3.37 Upper,4 lb.lower, ID 1000 injectors,LCD cooling mod,Billetflow idlers,200A Alt,oil cooler delete with MMR adapter plate,MM oil filter kit,FrozenBoost Heat Exchanger Flowtech L.T., Maganaflow O/R X with Magnapacks, FRRP D.S.,T-56 with 26 spline input shaft and anti venom mod with reverse lockout box, FR steel flywheel,Spec Stage 3+,Moser 31 spline axles,FR 3.73 gear Tuned by B.Kurgan 601Hp/558/Tq

08-09-2014, 01:04 PM	#25
03machstock Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 323	Re: T56 magnum swap Can anyone confirm post 18? __________________ 2003 Mach 1- Azure Blue-Manual- Intake/exhaust/ 01 cobra cams/ NX wet kit- 351 rwhp 350 rwtq N/A- 460 rwhp 557 rwtq 100 shot.

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