Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

na svt · 01-22-2014, 10:21 AM

The article is quite detailed so those wondering what went into this build will find it quite informative. However, I'm only able to post the first page (as to not hurt magazine sales) so to learn more you'll have to buy the issue when it comes out in a couple weeks.

ModularMach1 · 01-22-2014, 10:28 AM

What's the deal with 8 primaries per side?

na svt · 01-22-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ModularMach1

What's the deal with 8 primaries per side?

Jon saw a Buell with that setup and thought he'd try it out...it helped scavenging quite a bit. With the amount of overlap he was running the headers needed to scavenge and these worked the best.

Mustang9668 · 01-22-2014, 02:28 PM

Really looking forward to reading all about the engine

lcaptmorg · 01-22-2014, 07:11 PM

Will be the best 3.99 I spend all year.

tad240 · 01-22-2014, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ModularMach1

What's the deal with 8 primaries per side?

I want a set of those coming out the sides of my modular powered Factory Five Cobra replica! Would definitely get the attention of the traditional V8-powered guys...

Can't wait for the issue.

2camsam · 01-22-2014, 09:09 PM

What is neat about the 3 mod motors entered all used stock Ford heads and stock Ford Blocks. I only saw 2 other engines with factory parts the gen 3 hemi and Ls motor with Ls7 heads.
No wonder my Mach runs like a bat out of hell

2camsam · 01-22-2014, 09:18 PM

Also the top 1st and second place had production Ford intakes. No other engine ran a production intake manifold.

not a gt · 01-22-2014, 09:26 PM

Well just call me stupid and get it over with but why is the distributor sticking out the front??, seems like alot of stuff on the front eating up room.

DSG2003Mach1 · 01-22-2014, 09:41 PM

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Well just call me stupid and get it over with but why is the distributor sticking out the front??, seems like alot of stuff on the front eating up room.

you can run a distributor like that to help with spark issues..it was built for an engine competition, making it fit in a car wasnt really a concern

lcaptmorg · 01-22-2014, 09:49 PM

Give me a sawzall. I will find a way. Don't care if the distributor is sticking out of the hood.

not a gt · 01-22-2014, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DSG2003Mach1

you can run a distributor like that to help with spark issues..it was built for an engine competition, making it fit in a car wasnt really a concern

Oh ok..I guess I am just too practical since I was looking at it from a "Will that fit in my Mach"? aspect..makes sense it is on a stand... would like to shoehorn it into a beat up '79 F100 and go to Oklahoma and get me some "Farm truck"!!

na svt · 01-22-2014, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 2camsam

What is neat about the 3 mod motors entered all used stock Ford heads and stock Ford Blocks. I only saw 2 other engines with factory parts the gen 3 hemi and Ls motor with Ls7 heads.
No wonder my Mach runs like a bat out of hell

stock blocks, heads, intake manifolds, lash adjusters, and followers

DSG2003Mach1 · 01-22-2014, 10:17 PM

stock manifold but good god, how many first born + appendages do those 00 R units go for these days?

not a gt · 01-22-2014, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DSG2003Mach1

stock manifold but good god, how many first born + appendages do those 00 R units go for these days?

Just for you DSG...check out the first one!! (Look how much is just an emblem).

https://www.google.com/#q=2000+cobra...+sale&tbm=shop

stellasmechanic · 01-23-2014, 12:26 AM

Forget the distributor....Those headers would be a nightmare to fit in anything much less a mach.

lcaptmorg · 01-23-2014, 12:49 AM

Lets just build a car around the motor.

not a gt · 01-23-2014, 02:35 AM

and

na svt · 01-23-2014, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DSG2003Mach1

stock manifold but good god, how many first born + appendages do those 00 R units go for these days?

The lowers are going for abround $900. Most of the uppers are around $2k. Jon said he got a deal on his and wouldn't say what he paid.

block $4k
bb sleeves $1.5k
heads $2k
cams $1.3k
crank $4k

then there are the rods, pistons, injection, followers, valves, lash adjusters, cam drive parts, headers, TB, upside down secondary tensioner, etc.

DSG2003Mach1 · 01-23-2014, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by na svt

The lowers are going for abround $900. Most of the uppers are around $2k. Jon said he got a deal on his and wouldn't say what he paid.

block $4k
bb sleeves $1.5k
heads $2k
cams $1.3k
crank $4k

then there are the rods, pistons, injection, followers, valves, lash adjusters, cam drive parts, headers, TB, upside down secondary tensioner, etc.

and thats why we basically never see big power na mod motors

2camsam · 01-23-2014, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DSG2003Mach1

and thats why we basically never see big power na mod motors

Yeah but just think what boost would do on that combo!

na svt · 01-23-2014, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DSG2003Mach1

and thats why we basically never see big power na mod motors

This is very true. However, the cost of building a big power LS isn't far behind.

I firmly believe one could get a 75% solution with an iron 5.4 and C heads. You can add 17ci by offset grinding the crank to 4.35 and using an LS rod with a honda journal diameter. You can even use a standard CD flat top piston with this setup. So, for less than $700 (rods, crank grinding) you can grow the 330ci 5.4 to 348 (.020" overbore). With a .040" overbore it goes up to a 350.

An engine like this could easily make 500/450rw, that's 588/529 at the crank while not going above 7000. Long tubes are the only component that would be "custom" so the overall cost would be quite low, possibly even less than a BB/Stroker.

Just think, 348ci mod motor that doesn't require a custom rod or piston and the total cost of the rotating assembly is less than that of a 4.6 stroker...
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na svt · 01-23-2014, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lcaptmorg

Give me a sawzall. I will find a way. Don't care if the distributor is sticking out of the hood.

I'd go hoodless if that was in the engine compartment.

tad240 · 01-25-2014, 09:53 AM

Todd - what build design/detail do you think made the difference for the win for Kaase vs. Mihovetz? For the layman, the exhaust was obviously different. I'm sure in a competition like this all the details matter. Also can you give any details on the type/style and weight of the rods?

na svt · 01-25-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tad240

Todd - what build design/detail do you think made the difference for the win for Kaase vs. Mihovetz? For the layman, the exhaust was obviously different. I'm sure in a competition like this all the details matter. Also can you give any details on the type/style and weight of the rods?

The difference came down to cam specs and cam timing. The headers did add some power down low but no a huge amount. There is one other trick that is explained in the article but I can't mention it right now. The rods were standard Eagle H beams, nothing special.

01-22-2014, 10:21 AM	#1
na svt Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: beavercreek, oh Posts: 4,695	Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding The article is quite detailed so those wondering what went into this build will find it quite informative. However, I'm only able to post the first page (as to not hurt magazine sales) so to learn more you'll have to buy the issue when it comes out in a couple weeks.

01-22-2014, 10:28 AM	#2
ModularMach1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 323	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding What's the deal with 8 primaries per side?

01-22-2014, 02:28 PM	#4
Mustang9668 saving pennies Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Griffin, Ga Posts: 1,487	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding Really looking forward to reading all about the engine __________________ 03 Mach 1--Auto, 4000 stall, 96 cobra intake cams, 4.10s, ARH L/T's, off road X, Moser 31 spline axles, Eaton Posi diff., MM FLSFC, Tokico D-Specs, k&n filter, 17x9/10.5s AFS Mac wheels 03 Cobra--18x9/10.5 TSW Nurburgring Wheels, Nitto NT05's 275/295, Stiegemeier ported, 2.87” pulley, Canton 9-qt oil pan, Spec Stage II clutch, MM coilovers, Bilstein Shocks/Struts, LFP heat exchanger, LFP radiator, Evans cooling system, 14" Brembo 4 Piston calipers, 470whp, 460ft-lbs

01-22-2014, 07:11 PM	#5
lcaptmorg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,086	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding Will be the best 3.99 I spend all year. __________________ 03 We call her Hooker. Stock Long Block 301/310 12.08@110 1.58 60ft 4400da Cams and intake 365/338 SAE 11.73@115 1.54 60ft @3400 ft DA 13.6:1 Cornfed NA 5.0 497/421 SAE 10.66@128 1.42 60ft 3000ft DA

01-22-2014, 09:09 PM	#7
2camsam Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Knoxville Posts: 803	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding What is neat about the 3 mod motors entered all used stock Ford heads and stock Ford Blocks. I only saw 2 other engines with factory parts the gen 3 hemi and Ls motor with Ls7 heads. No wonder my Mach runs like a bat out of hell

01-22-2014, 09:18 PM	#8
2camsam Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Knoxville Posts: 803	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding Also the top 1st and second place had production Ford intakes. No other engine ran a production intake manifold.

01-22-2014, 09:26 PM	#9
not a gt Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waaayy out in the country,leave your GPS at home! Posts: 4,825	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding Well just call me stupid and get it over with but why is the distributor sticking out the front??, seems like alot of stuff on the front eating up room. __________________ 2003 DSG Mach 1-03 Cobra Term/T56 swap: 2.3L Whipple,3.37 Upper,4 lb.lower, ID 1000 injectors,LCD cooling mod,Billetflow idlers,200A Alt,oil cooler delete with MMR adapter plate,MM oil filter kit,FrozenBoost Heat Exchanger Flowtech L.T., Maganaflow O/R X with Magnapacks, FRRP D.S.,T-56 with 26 spline input shaft and anti venom mod with reverse lockout box, FR steel flywheel,Spec Stage 3+,Moser 31 spline axles,FR 3.73 gear Tuned by B.Kurgan 601Hp/558/Tq

01-22-2014, 09:49 PM	#11
lcaptmorg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,086	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding Give me a sawzall. I will find a way. Don't care if the distributor is sticking out of the hood. __________________ 03 We call her Hooker. Stock Long Block 301/310 12.08@110 1.58 60ft 4400da Cams and intake 365/338 SAE 11.73@115 1.54 60ft @3400 ft DA 13.6:1 Cornfed NA 5.0 497/421 SAE 10.66@128 1.42 60ft 3000ft DA

01-22-2014, 10:17 PM	#14
DSG2003Mach1 700 HP Mach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 8,384	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding stock manifold but good god, how many first born + appendages do those 00 R units go for these days? __________________ 03 dsg mach1 - MPR built 9.5:1 motor, D1, cams, ported intake, full exhaust, magnum t56, built rear, E85 etc... '12 F150 FX2 Supercrew with Ecoboost daily beater

01-23-2014, 12:26 AM	#16
stellasmechanic Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cocoa FL Posts: 1,207	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding Forget the distributor....Those headers would be a nightmare to fit in anything much less a mach. __________________ Wife's car: "Stella" 2003 DSG. Auto, 4:30's, 4800 Stall, aluminum DS, 26 inch slicks on 15 inch rims, skinnys, psr / aje hybrid k member and VMP tuned, GT front brakes, 1 3/4 headers and dumps, UWP pulley, Team z control arms. 7.90 - 1.75 60 foot. 12.37 1/4 mile 110.29 MPH (800 DA or so) With Roy PSR 1.71 12.25 at 1600 DA (no tune) 4.56 gears 1.68 12.09 My Car: "Nadia" 2003 TR Auto, Parted out Project beat Stella, engineless 03 DSG. Only goal is to beat my wife.

01-23-2014, 12:49 AM	#17
lcaptmorg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,086	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding Lets just build a car around the motor. __________________ 03 We call her Hooker. Stock Long Block 301/310 12.08@110 1.58 60ft 4400da Cams and intake 365/338 SAE 11.73@115 1.54 60ft @3400 ft DA 13.6:1 Cornfed NA 5.0 497/421 SAE 10.66@128 1.42 60ft 3000ft DA

01-23-2014, 02:35 AM	#18
not a gt Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waaayy out in the country,leave your GPS at home! Posts: 4,825	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding and __________________ 2003 DSG Mach 1-03 Cobra Term/T56 swap: 2.3L Whipple,3.37 Upper,4 lb.lower, ID 1000 injectors,LCD cooling mod,Billetflow idlers,200A Alt,oil cooler delete with MMR adapter plate,MM oil filter kit,FrozenBoost Heat Exchanger Flowtech L.T., Maganaflow O/R X with Magnapacks, FRRP D.S.,T-56 with 26 spline input shaft and anti venom mod with reverse lockout box, FR steel flywheel,Spec Stage 3+,Moser 31 spline axles,FR 3.73 gear Tuned by B.Kurgan 601Hp/558/Tq

01-25-2014, 09:53 AM	#24
tad240 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Whitakers, NC Posts: 90	Re: Jon Kaase's EMC build detailed in the March Popular Hot Rodding Todd - what build design/detail do you think made the difference for the win for Kaase vs. Mihovetz? For the layman, the exhaust was obviously different. I'm sure in a competition like this all the details matter. Also can you give any details on the type/style and weight of the rods?

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