New Record Holder?

[ryanscobra]

The car is mine but I give all the credit to Matt Hayes (NeverEnuff). He did degreed the cams and helped with the whole build.

We were going for the most power on a stock long block N/A 4v. As far as we both know, we have the record. The car made 391/353. This was all done at KPE in Wichita Falls, Texas yesterday with the temp being 109-112*. We made ten pulls and not a single one was below 385rwhp

The mods are:
Stock long block
Comp 106100s
NA SVT ported stock length intake
PaceSetter LTs, O/R X, SSS dumps
Steeda Underdrives
Spec 3 clutch
stock 3650 with steeda tri ax
4.10 gears
31 spline axles
and it still has all accessories. AC, PS, shaker still functioning, etc etc

Now the question, is there anyone making more power on a stock N/A long block? Or do I have the record?

[ryanscobra]

Forgot to mention, this was done on 91 octane pump gas.

[ShakeMe]

I don't know about the record but congrats anyway.

[ryanscobra]

Originally Posted by ShakeMe

I don't know about the record but congrats anyway.

I'm not trying to boast and brag, I'm just wondering if this really is the record or not. As far as I know, no one has put down bigger numbers. I could definitely be wrong, that's why I ask.

[chernandez88]

I dont think there is a record for hp because not all dynos are the same(calibration can be off) and every tuner is different. You can make ur car have crazy timing and lean it a little and it would make more power but it wouldnt be safe. Im not saying thia may be your case. Either way good numbers and try to pull on another dyno just like i did.

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[SuperMach1]

Let's take that thing to SAR.

[ryanscobra]

This was stock timing. We changed the timing and it was like a 3hp difference so we just put it back to stock.

[ryanscobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMach1

Let's take that thing to SAR.

SAR? Idk what that is.

[NeverEnuff]

Originally Posted by chernandez88

I dont think there is a record for hp because not all dynos are the same(calibration can be off) and every tuner is different. You can make ur car have crazy timing and lean it a little and it would make more power but it wouldnt be safe. Im not saying thia may be your case. Either way good numbers and try to pull on another dyno just like i did.

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Isn't that kind of the point? Adding timing leaning it out, Making more power??? If a tuner doesn't feel safe doing it...he shouldn't do it. Bottom line every car has a limit. You can't just keep "leaning" it out and "adding" more timing. There is a limit to what you can lean it out to or how much timing you can put into it. This is why some cars make better power at 12.5:1 AFR and some at 13.1:1 AFR...some like 21* timing some like 28*. You tune to the car, not just throw numbers at it cause another car had them.

These are great numbers Ryan. I never expected it to make this much. Glad I could be a part of this.

[chernandez88]

Originally Posted by NeverEnuff

Isn't that kind of the point? Adding timing leaning it out, Making more power??? If a tuner doesn't feel safe doing it...he shouldn't do it. Bottom line every car has a limit. You can't just keep "leaning" it out and "adding" more timing. There is a limit to what you can lean it out to or how much timing you can put into it. This is why some cars make better power at 12.5:1 AFR and some at 13.1:1 AFR...some like 21* timing some like 28*. You tune to the car, not just throw numbers at it cause another car had them.

These are great numbers Ryan. I never expected it to make this much. Glad I could be a part of this.

I rather be safe then sorry. Throw 15k in a motor and you will think twice before putting high timing. Thats just my opinion and many others will tell you the same.

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[Big Ron]

Originally Posted by ryanscobra

SAR? Idk what that is.

San Antonio Raceway.


Congrats. Sounds like good numbers to me.






Big Ron

[ryanscobra]

If San Antonio wasn't a 4 hour drive, then I would love to take it down the track. But that's a little farther than I'm willing to drive to run the car.

[na svt]

Originally Posted by chernandez88

I rather be safe then sorry. Throw 15k in a motor and you will think twice before putting high timing. Thats just my opinion and many others will tell you the same.

It's very hard to hurt an n/a engine with too much timing. Also, an engine will only respond to advances in timing for so long. For example, on 93 octane my car makes safe power with 22 deg of timing. With 24 deg it makes no more power than at 22, but it pings terribly.

[na svt]

Originally Posted by ryanscobra

This was all done at KPE in Wichita Falls, Texas yesterday with the temp being 109-112*. ?

The temperature only affects the uncorrected numbers, SAE and STD numbers are unaffected.

[chernandez88]

Originally Posted by na svt

It's very hard to hurt an n/a engine with too much timing. Also, an engine will only respond to advances in timing for so long. For example, on 93 octane my car makes safe power with 22 deg of timing. With 24 deg it makes no more power than at 22, but it pings terribly.

I know. I was talking in boost perspective. But even in boost or non boost you still got a limit to where you start pinging and it becomes unsafe. Sure it makes more power but at what cost? My point is is it worth making more power over blowing your motor? Not in my point of view.

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[na svt]

Originally Posted by chernandez88

I know. I was talking in boost perspective. But even in boost or non boost you still got a limit to where you start pinging and it becomes unsafe. Sure it makes more power but at what cost? My point is is it worth making more power over blowing your motor? Not in my point of view.

You said:

Originally Posted by chernandez88

You can make ur car have crazy timing and lean it a little and it would make more power but it wouldnt be safe.

The point I made is that this can't be done as increasing the timing or leaning it out results in minimal gains.

[03DSG]

Awesome numbers congrats! That car should be a beast time to go hunting some newer mustangs and kudos on the DSG I think they are always the fastest color lol...

[Bmeagher]

Stock long block.... Completely stock heads?

[NeverEnuff]

Originally Posted by Bmeagher

Stock long block.... Completely stock heads?

Heads have not been ported. Is it so hard to believe? I held the cam only record for years till you took it Bmeagher...you killed my numbers by 15rwhp...on pump gas this combo only got you by 12rwhp...

Mind you my 363rwhp combo was a crap intake and the first 4v I ever built. I'm almost positive with a ported FR intake and a good 7500rpm run...it'll make 400rwhp...just have to hope the bubble gum rods stay together...

[BlvdBrzr]

Originally Posted by NeverEnuff

Mind you my 363rwhp combo was a crap intake and the first 4v I ever built. I'm almost positive with a ported FR intake and a good 7500rpm run...it'll make 400rwhp...just have to hope the bubble gum rods stay together...

Bwahahahahaha!!!!

I remember us thinking that the intake was from Shawn Johnson, so it was like a piece of gold......and it turned out that the intake wasnt even opened up an ported.

And I remember the DAYS it took to degree the cams, while I was looking over your shoulder asking you if every move you made was "right".... LOL

Then I remember spending 5 hours spinning lapping tools on some valves, on some junkyard heads I bought.....to only put water in them, and flood the kitchen......

lol....

[NeverEnuff]

Originally Posted by BlvdBrzr

Bwahahahahaha!!!!

I remember us thinking that the intake was from Shawn Johnson, so it was like a piece of gold......and it turned out that the intake wasnt even opened up an ported.

And I remember the DAYS it took to degree the cams, while I was looking over your shoulder asking you if every move you made was "right".... LOL

Then I remember spending 5 hours spinning lapping tools on some valves, on some junkyard heads I bought.....to only put water in them, and flood the kitchen......

lol....

Dude. I felt like I got so took on that intake. 750$...and UPS broke the 'awesome' TB and I never got paid for it. So 750$ for the intake, and it didn't look any different than the one we got for your car...

Live and learn. Usually takes money to learn...thats the hard way.

BTW...we lapped the valves just fine...and my ex wife still talks about that night. Man it was cold outside!

[Mach828]

The curve looks great! Those are impressive numbers.

Congrats on the results.

[Bmeagher]

Where did you degree the cams at ? ......if you don't mind.

Originally Posted by NeverEnuff

Heads have not been ported. Is it so hard to believe? I held the cam only record for years till you took it Bmeagher...you killed my numbers by 15rwhp...on pump gas this combo only got you by 12rwhp...

Mind you my 363rwhp combo was a crap intake and the first 4v I ever built. I'm almost positive with a ported FR intake and a good 7500rpm run...it'll make 400rwhp...just have to hope the bubble gum rods stay together...

[ryanscobra]

Matt Hayes (NeverEnuff) did them in his shop.

[311-420]

Originally Posted by ryanscobra

Matt Hayes (NeverEnuff) did them in his shop.

I think he meant the cams themselves. Lol