Mach 1 weighs 3317 lbs... - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

Five Oh B · 11-15-2002, 06:48 PM

Ford lists the weight of each vehicle on its invoice. We just got our very first Mach 1 invoice today and the weight is listed as 3317 lbs., which isn't much more than the 3273 lbs that Ford lists for a 2002 GT coupe.

03mach1 · 11-15-2002, 07:06 PM

You must consider the slightly heavier motor?, shaker, different hood (probably same weight), subframe connectors, heavy springs, heavier sway bar, larger Brembo brakes and 13" rotors.

There's probably the difference...

http://www.mach1registry.com/specs/specs.htm

WarpdSpazm · 11-15-2002, 07:33 PM

well what ever it is... 3317 is still better than 3465....

Five Oh B · 11-15-2002, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WarpdSpazm
well what ever it is... 3317 is still better than 3465....

Exactly the reason I posted my findings. I think the 3465 was a guesstimate. 3317 makes more sense assuming a lighter aluminum engine, but heavier suspension/brake pieces & shaker, as Dave mentioned.

JBrandon · 11-15-2002, 09:52 PM

Five Oh B

What was the build date of the Mach 1 for which you received the invoice? How long would you speculate after a vehicle is built until the dealer receives the invoice? thanks!

Tony Alonso · 11-16-2002, 11:29 AM

Excellent! That makes much more sense than the 3465lbs - I was expecting about 60-70lbs heavier than the GT, mainly from the shaker assembly and hood weight.

I don't suppose there is any weight distribution information on an invoice, but if there is, any info would be appreciated.

Now I am much more excited and might get my 4th Mustang!!

Mus408 · 11-16-2002, 01:34 PM

Just for comparison,I weighed my Bullitt with 1/4 tank of fuel,at a certified Public scale. 3320 lbs. I would assume the Mach would be a little more than that with the Shaker setup.

Five Oh B · 11-16-2002, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JBrandon
Five Oh B

What was the build date of the Mach 1 for which you received the invoice? How long would you speculate after a vehicle is built until the dealer receives the invoice? thanks!

This Mach 1 was invoiced by Ford on 11/11, we received it from Ford on 11/15, the car is scheduled to be built 11/20, and at our dealership on 12/02/02.

So, we got the invoice 5 days BEFORE the car is to be built. Makes sense, considering Ford can't build a car until they invoice it. Then it's just a race between the mail service (getting the invoice sent to the dealer) and the assembly line (getting the car built).

mgk2 · 11-16-2002, 11:12 PM

Five Oh B,
If you don't mind sharing a bit of your Ford insider info.
According to the post 11/15/02 my car vin has gone into production. vin #1FAFP42R23F345482.
Please check my connection at Ford tell me my car is to be built week 11/18-11/25. Delivery??
I'd like to know so with the right effort prayer,etc I can take delivery of my White Mach1, not have to pass.
Thanks,
Mike

Five Oh B · 11-17-2002, 04:48 PM

mgk2, sorry, my friend, I have no way to check another dealer's order - only our own. I don't work for Ford, just a franchised dealership.

Mach 1 Fever · 11-17-2002, 09:48 PM

Five Oh B,

Please give some general info about the dealer invoice. What is it? Is this document something the dealership has to pay for? I remember an early conversation with my dealer, when I asked about the DORA. He said, we don't get them because Ford charges us for them, they charge us for everything. We later resolved the confusion about the DORA, but I never figured out what he was referring to. He mentioned a nominal fee of a few dollars. I want to get all the internal paperwork I can to document my car. Is the dealer invoice something I can/should ask for? I'd like to know what I am talking about when I discuss this with the dealer.

Thanks.

Five Oh B · 11-20-2002, 01:11 PM

While you can ask a dealer politely for a copy of the invoice, they are not obligated to give you one. An invoice is sent for each vehicle the dealer orders so they know how much they owe Ford for the car (it is not an option, and it doesn't cost anything). I have a copy of the invoice for my GT, but I work at the dealer. Someone buying on A/D/Z plan gets to see the invoice for the car they're buying, but they don't have a right to a copy either. Many dealers don't want you to see their cost of the car you're buying, so they don't hand out a copy of the invoice. However, in the internet age, customers can easily look up invoice cost on any number of websites, so this is a moot point anymore.

Again, ask politely (knowing that it's not your right to get a copy) and your dealer may just get you a copy for your car's scrapbook!

TRMach1 · 11-20-2002, 02:08 PM

Brian, the other night at my dealer while they were looking up the "phantom shipping" info in CONCEPS, I happened to notice there was a line that listed the GVW as 3279. It was after you had started this thread, and I thought, wow, that's just about the same as a GT and considerably less than you had posted from the invoice. I saw the invoice for my car and it said 3317 also. I wonder which one, if either, is right, since not much else seems to be correct (ie build and shipping info).

03elanor · 11-20-2002, 06:24 PM

Well Brian thanks to you giving the weight of our new Mach1's my girlfriend really thinks I am too invovled. She said last night Well since you know the day your car was born I guess you know how much it weighs too. I said yup 3317 pounds... I think she thinks I need help.:santagrin

MACH & ROLL · 11-20-2002, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Five Oh B
Ford lists the weight of each vehicle on its invoice. We just got our very first Mach 1 invoice today and the weight is listed as 3317 lbs., which isn't much more than the 3273 lbs that Ford lists for a 2002 GT coupe.

Five Oh B,

What is the VIN#?

Five Oh B · 11-20-2002, 08:45 PM

345601

Five Oh B · 11-20-2002, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Black98GT
Brian, the other night at my dealer while they were looking up the "phantom shipping" info in CONCEPS, I happened to notice there was a line that listed the GVW as 3279. It was after you had started this thread, and I thought, wow, that's just about the same as a GT and considerably less than you had posted from the invoice. I saw the invoice for my car and it said 3317 also. I wonder which one, if either, is right, since not much else seems to be correct (ie build and shipping info).

Maybe 3279 is the dry weight, while 3317 is the wet weight (shipping or curb weight?)???

WarpdSpazm · 11-20-2002, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Five Oh B

Maybe 3279 is the dry weight, while 3317 is the wet weight (shipping or curb weight?)???

38lb variance??? How heavey is a gallon of gas?

times 15.7

MACH & ROLL · 11-20-2002, 09:48 PM

I received my invoice today. It shows 3347 lbs with an automatic.

03elanor · 11-20-2002, 09:49 PM

I think gas is about 8 lbs per gallon

WarpdSpazm · 11-20-2002, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 03elanor
I think gas is about 8 lbs per gallon

8lbs/gal???? that heavy, huh wow
8
x15.7
~128lbs

can't be THAT much....

Mustang Matt · 11-20-2002, 10:00 PM

6.1 lbs per gallon

WarpdSpazm · 11-20-2002, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mustang Matt
6.1 lbs per gallon

did you "ask jeeves" too?

15.7
x6.1
95.77

well the 38 lb variance AIN'T a tank of gas

Mustang Matt · 11-20-2002, 10:34 PM

nah,

"Do you ummm, Yahoo?"
Yaahhhhhhhooooo!!!!

WarpdSpazm · 11-20-2002, 10:41 PM

I'm a googler myself, though Yahoo is the place for online yellow pages... at least in NYC

11-15-2002, 07:06 PM	#2
03mach1 Admin/Founder Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cuba, NY Posts: 6,805	Weight You must consider the slightly heavier motor?, shaker, different hood (probably same weight), subframe connectors, heavy springs, heavier sway bar, larger Brembo brakes and 13" rotors. There's probably the difference... http://www.mach1registry.com/specs/specs.htm __________________ David J. Wagner Founder/Admin Member #0001 http://www.Mach1Registry.com http://www.Mach1Performance.org Amsoil T-1 Certified Independant Dealer Member, MCA '03 Mach 1, '08 V6 WIP, 76 Cobra II VIN#301788

11-15-2002, 07:33 PM	#3
WarpdSpazm Reformed Druid Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SI, NY Posts: 815	well what ever it is... 3317 is still better than 3465.... __________________ ~Rm Krewe de la Mach Rouge ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RayMuratore@msn.com AIM:WarpdSpazm Member #75 - VIN: 340165 12/14/03 Dyno with 550 miles: RWHP = 279.2 RWTQ = 304.8

11-15-2002, 09:52 PM	#5
JBrandon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 45	Invoice received! Five Oh B What was the build date of the Mach 1 for which you received the invoice? How long would you speculate after a vehicle is built until the dealer receives the invoice? thanks!

11-16-2002, 11:29 AM	#6
Tony Alonso Mustang Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 5,509	Excellent! That makes much more sense than the 3465lbs - I was expecting about 60-70lbs heavier than the GT, mainly from the shaker assembly and hood weight. I don't suppose there is any weight distribution information on an invoice, but if there is, any info would be appreciated. Now I am much more excited and might get my 4th Mustang!! __________________ Tony Alonso '03 Ford Mustang Mach 1 Coupe Black (code UA) w/o IUP, 5-speed VIN 388409, Built ??/??/???? Delivered 7/12/2019 w/122,696 miles

11-16-2002, 11:12 PM	#9
mgk2 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines,Fla Posts: 986	just a brief question Five Oh B, If you don't mind sharing a bit of your Ford insider info. According to the post 11/15/02 my car vin has gone into production. vin #1FAFP42R23F345482. Please check my connection at Ford tell me my car is to be built week 11/18-11/25. Delivery?? I'd like to know so with the right effort prayer,etc I can take delivery of my White Mach1, not have to pass. Thanks, Mike Last edited by mgk2; 11-18-2002 at 08:05 AM.

11-15-2002, 06:48 PM	#1
Five Oh B Two-Time Mach 1 Owner Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 1,385	Mach 1 weighs 3317 lbs... Ford lists the weight of each vehicle on its invoice. We just got our very first Mach 1 invoice today and the weight is listed as 3317 lbs., which isn't much more than the 3273 lbs that Ford lists for a 2002 GT coupe. __________________ Current Mustang: 2014 GT Glass Roof Coupe - Ruby Red with 6R80 trans. Prior Mustangs: '03 Mach 1, Azure Blue 5-speed w/ IUP, '11 Brembo GT, '07 GT with Vortech S-Trim, '00 Spring Feature GT coupe, '89 LX 5.0 Sport, '88 LX, & '75 Mach 1. Prior Thunderbirds: 1993 LX Sport 5.0L, 1990 LX, 1988 Turbo Coupe.

11-16-2002, 01:34 PM	#7
Mus408 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Va. Posts: 60	Just for comparison,I weighed my Bullitt with 1/4 tank of fuel,at a certified Public scale. 3320 lbs. I would assume the Mach would be a little more than that with the Shaker setup.

11-17-2002, 04:48 PM	#10
Five Oh B Two-Time Mach 1 Owner Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 1,385	mgk2, sorry, my friend, I have no way to check another dealer's order - only our own. I don't work for Ford, just a franchised dealership. __________________ Current Mustang: 2014 GT Glass Roof Coupe - Ruby Red with 6R80 trans. Prior Mustangs: '03 Mach 1, Azure Blue 5-speed w/ IUP, '11 Brembo GT, '07 GT with Vortech S-Trim, '00 Spring Feature GT coupe, '89 LX 5.0 Sport, '88 LX, & '75 Mach 1. Prior Thunderbirds: 1993 LX Sport 5.0L, 1990 LX, 1988 Turbo Coupe.

11-17-2002, 09:48 PM	#11
Mach 1 Fever Guest Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: near Scranton, PA Posts: 12	Five Oh B, Please give some general info about the dealer invoice. What is it? Is this document something the dealership has to pay for? I remember an early conversation with my dealer, when I asked about the DORA. He said, we don't get them because Ford charges us for them, they charge us for everything. We later resolved the confusion about the DORA, but I never figured out what he was referring to. He mentioned a nominal fee of a few dollars. I want to get all the internal paperwork I can to document my car. Is the dealer invoice something I can/should ask for? I'd like to know what I am talking about when I discuss this with the dealer. Thanks.

11-20-2002, 01:11 PM	#12
Five Oh B Two-Time Mach 1 Owner Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 1,385	While you can ask a dealer politely for a copy of the invoice, they are not obligated to give you one. An invoice is sent for each vehicle the dealer orders so they know how much they owe Ford for the car (it is not an option, and it doesn't cost anything). I have a copy of the invoice for my GT, but I work at the dealer. Someone buying on A/D/Z plan gets to see the invoice for the car they're buying, but they don't have a right to a copy either. Many dealers don't want you to see their cost of the car you're buying, so they don't hand out a copy of the invoice. However, in the internet age, customers can easily look up invoice cost on any number of websites, so this is a moot point anymore. Again, ask politely (knowing that it's not your right to get a copy) and your dealer may just get you a copy for your car's scrapbook! __________________ Current Mustang: 2014 GT Glass Roof Coupe - Ruby Red with 6R80 trans. Prior Mustangs: '03 Mach 1, Azure Blue 5-speed w/ IUP, '11 Brembo GT, '07 GT with Vortech S-Trim, '00 Spring Feature GT coupe, '89 LX 5.0 Sport, '88 LX, & '75 Mach 1. Prior Thunderbirds: 1993 LX Sport 5.0L, 1990 LX, 1988 Turbo Coupe.

11-20-2002, 02:08 PM	#13
TRMach1 Once Bitten-Twice Shy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Castle, Delaware USA Posts: 3,370	Another little tidbit Brian, the other night at my dealer while they were looking up the "phantom shipping" info in CONCEPS, I happened to notice there was a line that listed the GVW as 3279. It was after you had started this thread, and I thought, wow, that's just about the same as a GT and considerably less than you had posted from the invoice. I saw the invoice for my car and it said 3317 also. I wonder which one, if either, is right, since not much else seems to be correct (ie build and shipping info). __________________ Mach1Registry.com Member #7 MCA Member #52787 Nice to meet you, my name's Jim 03 Torch Red Mach 1, 5-speed, IUP *Sold on July 21st 2012!* 2011 Shelby GT500, Ebony Black, Silver Stripes, 6-speed 550hp 510tq Purchased July 23, 2012!

11-20-2002, 06:24 PM	#14
03elanor Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 550	Well Brian thanks to you giving the weight of our new Mach1's my girlfriend really thinks I am too invovled. She said last night Well since you know the day your car was born I guess you know how much it weighs too. I said yup 3317 pounds... I think she thinks I need help.:santagrin __________________ 03 Mach 1 VIN 344905 built=11-13, Delivered 11-27 Azure Blue Five Speed With Interior Upgrade That four valve sounds awesome!

11-20-2002, 08:45 PM	#16
Five Oh B Two-Time Mach 1 Owner Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 1,385	345601 __________________ Current Mustang: 2014 GT Glass Roof Coupe - Ruby Red with 6R80 trans. Prior Mustangs: '03 Mach 1, Azure Blue 5-speed w/ IUP, '11 Brembo GT, '07 GT with Vortech S-Trim, '00 Spring Feature GT coupe, '89 LX 5.0 Sport, '88 LX, & '75 Mach 1. Prior Thunderbirds: 1993 LX Sport 5.0L, 1990 LX, 1988 Turbo Coupe.

11-20-2002, 09:48 PM	#19
MACH & ROLL Gone but not forgotten Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 524	auto weight I received my invoice today. It shows 3347 lbs with an automatic. __________________ Dave 03 Mach 1 VIN# 349977 White Auto with IUP Built 11/22/02 Sold 9/1/07

11-20-2002, 09:49 PM	#20
03elanor Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 550	I think gas is about 8 lbs per gallon __________________ 03 Mach 1 VIN 344905 built=11-13, Delivered 11-27 Azure Blue Five Speed With Interior Upgrade That four valve sounds awesome!

11-20-2002, 10:00 PM	#22
Mustang Matt speed freak Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 904	6.1 lbs per gallon

11-20-2002, 10:34 PM	#24
Mustang Matt speed freak Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 904	nah, "Do you ummm, Yahoo?" Yaahhhhhhhooooo!!!!

11-20-2002, 10:41 PM	#25
WarpdSpazm Reformed Druid Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SI, NY Posts: 815	I'm a googler myself, though Yahoo is the place for online yellow pages... at least in NYC __________________ ~Rm Krewe de la Mach Rouge ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RayMuratore@msn.com AIM:WarpdSpazm Member #75 - VIN: 340165 12/14/03 Dyno with 550 miles: RWHP = 279.2 RWTQ = 304.8

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