new 5.0 swap...Need advice - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

MyMustang · 04-07-2011, 09:27 AM

I like any other mod v8 fan ive been looking alot into the new 5.0 they just put out and was wondering if it would be possible to swap one into the Mach or say on 05GT... I know the cobra typr r has a 5.4 in it and to my knowledge the 05-11 are very similar accept for the newly added 5.0... any thoughts? Ive seen the longblock for sale for 6,000$ and was wondering if it would be doable to drop it into the Mach or an 05 or up GT? I cant find an 11 gt for under 25,000$ or i would just buy it but I can get a high meleage gt for 10,000 cash and drop the all aluminum 5.0 in the lighter 05 body (sorry I love my mach way more but im a fan of s197 body)

04azuremach · 04-07-2011, 09:28 AM

It should fit in an '05 easily. Just need the correct engine mounts. I believe there is a company that makes mounts for our cars now as well.

jcooper0818 · 04-07-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

It should fit in an '05 easily. Just need the correct engine mounts. I believe there is a company that makes mounts for our cars now as well.

+1 doable

Fenixfire · 04-07-2011, 07:38 PM

If I ever blow this motor, I think the mach will be getting an upgrade.

MyMustang · 04-07-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenixfire

If I ever blow this motor, I think the mach will be getting an upgrade.

So are you considering the new 5.0?

Chances50 · 04-08-2011, 12:02 AM

From what ive read the 11 5.0 will bolt to the stock 99-04 K memeber and will accept a 3650.

Mikestang · 04-08-2011, 06:53 AM

going to also have to set up the electric power steering pump
and there are a few othere minor things

but I have herd putting a 5.0 in a mach is a
easy swap if you know what your doing.

MyMustang · 04-08-2011, 11:15 AM

I would consider it would be a alot easier in our Mach vs. the 05 gt seeing as its a 3v and both the new 5.0 and ours are 4v... my main concern was the 3v to 4v swap and what ecu or piggyback would be needed to run properlly... could the ecu from the 11gt be used in an 05?!?!? I havnt seen a standalone completely programmable ecu for fords like I have the imports (ie. hondata)....

04azuremach · 04-08-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MyMustang

I would consider it would be a alot easier in our Mach vs. the 05 gt seeing as its a 3v and both the new 5.0 and ours are 4v... my main concern was the 3v to 4v swap and what ecu or piggyback would be needed to run properlly... could the ecu from the 11gt be used in an 05?!?!? I havnt seen a standalone completely programmable ecu for fords like I have the imports (ie. hondata)....

LOL the number of valves has nothing to do with fitting a motor in an engine bay. It's all about the engine mounts. Also the new 4 valve has VVT

Fenixfire · 04-08-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MyMustang

So are you considering the new 5.0?

If I blow this motor then yes, however, I doubt that will happen anytime soon unless I do something stupid. The motor is built to the hilt and is only running an eaton with 8 psi right now. Although I did just buy a 2.76 upper for it, but this motor can take whatever the eaton can throw at it. Hell, I plan to upgrade to a whipple 2.9 down the road and it will be able to take whatever THAT blower can throw at it. As long as I have enough fuel and a good tune, its good to go.

DSG2003Mach1 · 04-08-2011, 01:14 PM

if you go over to FRPPs site they have harness and pcm kits (requires return style fuel system), alternator solutions etc...it gets expensive quick it looks like..probably tack 3-4k on top of the motor to get it running

MyMustang · 04-08-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

LOL the number of valves has nothing to do with fitting a motor in an engine bay. It's all about the engine mounts. Also the new 4 valve has VVT

Im talking as far as tuning etc.... it seems if it was that simple more 05 gt folks would be doing 4 valve head builds... how many 4 valve 05 and up have you seen?

DSG2003Mach1 · 04-08-2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MyMustang

Im talking as far as tuning etc.... it seems if it was that simple more 05 gt folks would be doing 4 valve head builds... how many 4 valve 05 and up have you seen?

until the new 5.0 theres not a ton of reason for a 4valve swap most of the time...The 3 valve heads seem to flow well enough that its not worth the trouble of hacking up harnesses

04azuremach · 04-08-2011, 11:12 PM

*facepalm*

birdman941 · 04-09-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

*facepalm*

I would rather drive a 2 valve than a 3 valve.

2camsam · 04-09-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by birdman941

I would rather drive a 2 valve than a 3 valve.

I've owned them all. While I liked my supercharged 2v. The 3v is a better engine stock vs stock and even does well against the 4v with bolt ons.

04azuremach · 04-09-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 2camsam

I've owned them all. While I liked my supercharged 2v. The 3v is a better engine stock vs stock and even does well against the 4v with bolt ons.

Bird man is referring to the 5.4 2 valve lol

birdman941 · 04-09-2011, 12:16 PM

Actually referring to ANY 3V engine.

Unrealford · 04-09-2011, 06:04 PM

I dont own a 3v Mustang, But I dont understand why you guys dislike them or dis-credit the power they make..
Like I said I know 3 friends with 07 GTs 1 auto the others sticks, They all run 12s EASILY..And all they have is exhaust and 4.10s ...So far they all are faster than my Mach1 and I have more mods.
Even Wild Bill had said his friend (Girl ) with a Bullit Mustang runs 12s with a tune and gears,
All I can think of is that you guys know people with 3v that cant drive worth the crap, The 1 car I mentioned runs 12.91 with street tires..

04azuremach · 04-09-2011, 06:21 PM

Lol you need the driver mod then. I did 13.08 off the showroom floor

Unrealford · 04-09-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

Lol you need the driver mod then. I did 13.08 off the showroom floor

Not with a automatic you didn't,,,!

MyMustang · 04-10-2011, 06:02 PM

Im just a fan of the S197 body and interior panels (less plastic)... also how the c and a pilars are one piece and molded to body...It just seems it would cost alot more to build a reliable Daily Driven 3valve vs 4valve from what I can gather.. (I dont have much experience with Mustang though)

yzingerslinger · 04-26-2011, 01:56 AM

Their is a performance shop here in Tulsa OK that completely swapped the Engine and drive train and full interior of a 2011 GT into a 2006 GT... http://www.lofton-motorsports.com/ did the conversion and is said to be featured in the May issue if MM&FF magazine. The car has a Novi blower and made 697HP to the wheel.

yzingerslinger · 04-26-2011, 01:57 AM

It can be done but he said it was no easy task, on his brain nor his wallet. beware lol

04-07-2011, 09:27 AM	#1
MyMustang Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 65	new 5.0 swap...Need advice I like any other mod v8 fan ive been looking alot into the new 5.0 they just put out and was wondering if it would be possible to swap one into the Mach or say on 05GT... I know the cobra typr r has a 5.4 in it and to my knowledge the 05-11 are very similar accept for the newly added 5.0... any thoughts? Ive seen the longblock for sale for 6,000$ and was wondering if it would be doable to drop it into the Mach or an 05 or up GT? I cant find an 11 gt for under 25,000$ or i would just buy it but I can get a high meleage gt for 10,000 cash and drop the all aluminum 5.0 in the lighter 05 body (sorry I love my mach way more but im a fan of s197 body)

04-07-2011, 09:28 AM	#2
04azuremach Loud, fast and fun Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Owning Ricers at MIR Posts: 7,864	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice It should fit in an '05 easily. Just need the correct engine mounts. I believe there is a company that makes mounts for our cars now as well.

04-07-2011, 07:38 PM	#4
Fenixfire Its stock....No really! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 4,433	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice If I ever blow this motor, I think the mach will be getting an upgrade. __________________ 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1 5spd w/ IUP Mods: Lots of new stuff coming.....stay tuned

04-08-2011, 12:02 AM	#6
Chances50 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Haskell, Ok Posts: 1,325	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice From what ive read the 11 5.0 will bolt to the stock 99-04 K memeber and will accept a 3650.

04-08-2011, 06:53 AM	#7
Mikestang Parrot Head Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: H204D,NY AMERICA F YEA ! Posts: 4,894	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice going to also have to set up the electric power steering pump and there are a few othere minor things but I have herd putting a 5.0 in a mach is a easy swap if you know what your doing. __________________ Mikestang 03 MACH1 Torch Red #274 Built 11/14/02 Home 12/07/02 Payed off 09/17/07 MRT powershift, W\Hurst T-handle, Painted hood stripe, AFS 10.5 and 9.0 Crome Mach 1Wheels, Ford GT Coil Covers. "If She had a set a wings, Man I know She could fly " 2011 Kona Blue Metalic Mustang GT Premium 5.0 Rolling on 19s "2011 Will Be Known As The Year They Perfected The Mustang " 06 Victory Kingpin With more mods than I can list http://home.roadrunner.com/~crazyhorse/

04-08-2011, 11:15 AM	#8
MyMustang Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 65	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice I would consider it would be a alot easier in our Mach vs. the 05 gt seeing as its a 3v and both the new 5.0 and ours are 4v... my main concern was the 3v to 4v swap and what ecu or piggyback would be needed to run properlly... could the ecu from the 11gt be used in an 05?!?!? I havnt seen a standalone completely programmable ecu for fords like I have the imports (ie. hondata)....

04-08-2011, 01:14 PM	#11
DSG2003Mach1 700 HP Mach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 8,384	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice if you go over to FRPPs site they have harness and pcm kits (requires return style fuel system), alternator solutions etc...it gets expensive quick it looks like..probably tack 3-4k on top of the motor to get it running __________________ 03 dsg mach1 - MPR built 9.5:1 motor, D1, cams, ported intake, full exhaust, magnum t56, built rear, E85 etc... '12 F150 FX2 Supercrew with Ecoboost daily beater

04-08-2011, 11:12 PM	#14
04azuremach Loud, fast and fun Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Owning Ricers at MIR Posts: 7,864	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice facepalm

04-09-2011, 12:16 PM	#18
birdman941 Torque wins! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 13,167	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice Actually referring to ANY 3V engine. __________________ The ORIGINAL Project R build thread is back ! 5.4 32V NA Streetable 404/387 26.56 MPG "I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders" Ted Nugent "A big engine hardly working is more efficient than a little engine screaming its head off" Jay Leno

04-09-2011, 06:04 PM	#19
Unrealford Mustang owner since 1984 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 4,515	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice I dont own a 3v Mustang, But I dont understand why you guys dislike them or dis-credit the power they make.. Like I said I know 3 friends with 07 GTs 1 auto the others sticks, They all run 12s EASILY..And all they have is exhaust and 4.10s ...So far they all are faster than my Mach1 and I have more mods. Even Wild Bill had said his friend (Girl ) with a Bullit Mustang runs 12s with a tune and gears, All I can think of is that you guys know people with 3v that cant drive worth the crap, The 1 car I mentioned runs 12.91 with street tires.. __________________ 2012 Kona Blue Metallic BOSS MOMS Racing... 11.92@115.43 stock besides drag radials http://www.dragzine.com/news/moms-ra...2013-schedule/

04-09-2011, 06:21 PM	#20
04azuremach Loud, fast and fun Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Owning Ricers at MIR Posts: 7,864	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice Lol you need the driver mod then. I did 13.08 off the showroom floor

04-10-2011, 06:02 PM	#22
MyMustang Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 65	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice Im just a fan of the S197 body and interior panels (less plastic)... also how the c and a pilars are one piece and molded to body...It just seems it would cost alot more to build a reliable Daily Driven 3valve vs 4valve from what I can gather.. (I dont have much experience with Mustang though)

04-26-2011, 01:56 AM	#23
yzingerslinger Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sapulpa, OK Posts: 243	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice Their is a performance shop here in Tulsa OK that completely swapped the Engine and drive train and full interior of a 2011 GT into a 2006 GT... http://www.lofton-motorsports.com/ did the conversion and is said to be featured in the May issue if MM&FF magazine. The car has a Novi blower and made 697HP to the wheel.

04-26-2011, 01:57 AM	#24
yzingerslinger Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sapulpa, OK Posts: 243	Re: new 5.0 swap...Need advice It can be done but he said it was no easy task, on his brain nor his wallet. beware lol

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