Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

fiveliter · 11-18-2007, 08:21 PM

A buddy of mine at work showed me this video from a company that created a pre-ignition catalytic converter. Apparently the fuel lines go into the cat, which converts the fuel to plasma, which is then almost completely burned in the engine, increasing fuel economy and reducing emmissions. I wouldn't consider this for the Mach but my DD is Nissan Sentra that gets 30 MPG and I wouldn't mind bumping that up. This company is claiming 50% increase in MPG. This video seems to provide a lot scientific evidence regarding their claims. Please check out video. My buddy was given a price quote of $1000 for his Mark VII ( not including installation ) Its a long video, 55 minutes, but the information in question starts about 17 minutes in. Does this sound legit or are they just another bunch of con-artists?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97174166353519

GRB60 · 11-19-2007, 08:47 AM

Get the right foot mod; it's free and will get you 3-4 MPG, probably.

JDraper · 11-19-2007, 09:05 AM

It will work just as well as the magnets and the tornado do...

If it truly worked, the car mfg's would be all over it to boost the mileage claims for their cars.

wchamberlain · 11-19-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GRB60

Get the right foot mod; it's free and will get you 3-4 MPG, probably.

Exactly, it's a fuggin sports car................If you can't afford the gas...........sell it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hawk · 11-19-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

If you understood what that meant, you'd have your answer.

Nonsense. With the fuel converted to a plasma, it can then feed directly into the NERVA chamber, bypassing the flux capacitor. Otherwise you need to route it through the electrostatic containment, which decreases efficiency (but does keep EGT low, for extended nozzle life).

hawk · 11-19-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

WTH do you know??? You can't feed fuel DIRECTLY into the NERVA chamber!

How in the hell do you administer the hydrazine in PROPER proportions? You're a silly twidget, right?

Sure you can! Once the fuel is pre-ionized, the hydrazine is merely used as a stabilizer. It is dissociated outside the containment and back-fed around the nozzle opening. The regulator is driven from the feedback derived from the specific-impulse strain gauges, i.e. inversely proportional to thrust.

You're thinking of the RTG pre-processed fuel delivery unit. Those are old-tech and not used much anymore.

G · 11-19-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JDraper

It will work just as well as the magnets and the tornado do...

If it truly worked, the car mfg's would be all over it to boost the mileage claims for their cars.

Excellent, so if I use all three ------------ I'll have to stop periodically to sell my excess gas. Coooooooool

YellowMenace · 11-19-2007, 03:54 PM

You guys are being to harsh. That guy sticking his mouth and tie over the "exhaust" looked like a brilliant scientist to me. And looked honest too!

fiveliter · 11-19-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wchamberlain

Exactly, it's a fuggin sports car................If you can't afford the gas...........sell it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which part of "I wouldn't consider this for the Mach but my DD is Nissan Sentra that gets 30 MPG and I wouldn't mind bumping that up" didnt you understand?

Did anyone actually watch the video? I not saying that this thing actually works, I just thought it was interesting.

fiveliter · 11-19-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

If you understood what that meant, you'd have your answer.

Please oh mightly lord of the Mach1Registry, Mr. Know-it-all, bless me with your incredible knowledge and explain it me.

fiveliter · 11-19-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Sucking up ain't gonna help ya!

So you dont know either?

fiveliter · 11-19-2007, 04:56 PM

No, but you're the one that made the smart-a$$ed remark. I thought it was an interesting link. Maybe, maybe not. All you had to say was that you thought the product was b.s. and I would respect your opinion, but you seem to enjoy making personal attacks on people. You obviously have too much time on your hands grandpa ( over 16,000 posts ) and need to find a new hobby.

Lord Umoja · 11-19-2007, 05:23 PM

So that you and M1M dont get into an argument, I can tell you the product is BS becuase they claim a plasma. Matter has 4 stages, solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. A plasma is basically a gas stripped of all electrons, referenced mainly in relation to fusion power. In order to get gasoline to a plasma you'd need alot of energy, it would ignite well before it ever became a plasma. If it worked you'd be burning your fuel before the motor, ie making an external combustion motor. Dose that answer your question?

dlandry427 · 11-19-2007, 05:46 PM

Uhhh, isn't that the stuff in blood?

G · 11-19-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dlandry427

Uhhh, isn't that the stuff in blood?

uhhhhhhhhh, no!

You could run a car on blood if the alcohol content was high enough.

hawk · 11-19-2007, 07:12 PM

The aliens woulda made sure their educational curriculum included "states of matter".

StangIT · 11-19-2007, 07:42 PM

I don't think it's even worth watching the FIFTY-FIVE MINUTE video!

ster!nn · 11-19-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hawk

Sure you can! Once the fuel is pre-ionized, the hydrazine is merely used as a stabilizer. It is dissociated outside the containment and back-fed around the nozzle opening. The regulator is driven from the feedback derived from the specific-impulse strain gauges, i.e. inversely proportional to thrust.

You're thinking of the RTG pre-processed fuel delivery unit. Those are old-tech and not used much anymore.

Reminds me of what my dad always used to tell me....

"The angle of the dangle is in direct proportion to the heat of the meat."

GRB60 · 11-20-2007, 07:50 AM

Simply put: If it looks too good to be true, it (probably) is!

wchamberlain · 11-21-2007, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fiveliter

Which part of "I wouldn't consider this for the Mach but my DD is Nissan Sentra that gets 30 MPG and I wouldn't mind bumping that up" didnt you understand?

Did anyone actually watch the video? I not saying that this thing actually works, I just thought it was interesting.

Which part of this do I consider you not to be a donkey???? If your concerned about getting your feelings hurt, cry me a river.

Some people deserve the bashing they get, alot of people probably think I'm an a**hole, well big tiddy boo boo. When you post something that is total BS, you should expect to be

dlandry427 · 11-21-2007, 10:06 AM

Now come on W, next your gonna tell me that Direct Exhaust Injection was a bad idea!

11-18-2007, 08:21 PM	#1
fiveliter 14 Year Reg Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,250	Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? A buddy of mine at work showed me this video from a company that created a pre-ignition catalytic converter. Apparently the fuel lines go into the cat, which converts the fuel to plasma, which is then almost completely burned in the engine, increasing fuel economy and reducing emmissions. I wouldn't consider this for the Mach but my DD is Nissan Sentra that gets 30 MPG and I wouldn't mind bumping that up. This company is claiming 50% increase in MPG. This video seems to provide a lot scientific evidence regarding their claims. Please check out video. My buddy was given a price quote of $1000 for his Mark VII ( not including installation ) Its a long video, 55 minutes, but the information in question starts about 17 minutes in. Does this sound legit or are they just another bunch of con-artists? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97174166353519 __________________ 1978 Mustang II - junked 1983 Mustang GT - sold 1986 Mustang conv - sold 1993 Mustang 5.0 notch - sold 1997 Mustang GT - traded in 1994 Mustang GT conv - sold 2003 Mustang Mach 1 - current 2010 Harley Davidson XL883N - current 2015 Mustang Ecoboost - current Best ET 13.59@103MPH

11-19-2007, 08:47 AM	#2
GRB60 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Harleysville, PA Posts: 2,144	Re: Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? Get the right foot mod; it's free and will get you 3-4 MPG, probably. __________________ 2003 Torch Red 5 spd w/ IUP Built: 7/16/03

11-19-2007, 09:05 AM	#3
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11-19-2007, 03:54 PM	#8
YellowMenace Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Schertz, TX Posts: 2,639	Re: Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? You guys are being to harsh. That guy sticking his mouth and tie over the "exhaust" looked like a brilliant scientist to me. And looked honest too! __________________ Zinc yellow NMRA Factory Stock configuration Coyote 5.0 engine, FRPP Control Pack and a bunch of other stuff. Best ET in this configuration 10.693@123

11-19-2007, 04:56 PM	#12
fiveliter 14 Year Reg Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,250	Re: Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? No, but you're the one that made the smart-a$$ed remark. I thought it was an interesting link. Maybe, maybe not. All you had to say was that you thought the product was b.s. and I would respect your opinion, but you seem to enjoy making personal attacks on people. You obviously have too much time on your hands grandpa ( over 16,000 posts ) and need to find a new hobby. __________________ 1978 Mustang II - junked 1983 Mustang GT - sold 1986 Mustang conv - sold 1993 Mustang 5.0 notch - sold 1997 Mustang GT - traded in 1994 Mustang GT conv - sold 2003 Mustang Mach 1 - current 2010 Harley Davidson XL883N - current 2015 Mustang Ecoboost - current Best ET 13.59@103MPH

11-19-2007, 05:23 PM	#13
Lord Umoja Established Lurker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Selinsgrove Pa Posts: 897	Re: Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? So that you and M1M dont get into an argument, I can tell you the product is BS becuase they claim a plasma. Matter has 4 stages, solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. A plasma is basically a gas stripped of all electrons, referenced mainly in relation to fusion power. In order to get gasoline to a plasma you'd need alot of energy, it would ignite well before it ever became a plasma. If it worked you'd be burning your fuel before the motor, ie making an external combustion motor. Dose that answer your question? __________________ My Rides '04 Screaming Yellow Mach 1 "Jennifer" Bassanni Catted X-Pipe, Catback, Hood Blackout, 315/35 BFG DR2s, AFS 17x10.5 Replicas, Professional Custom DiabloSport Tune, Stewart Warner UltraShift light, and XM Hardwire. 12.93 @ 107.24 '93 Nissan 240SX Convertible "Rei-Sen" Restored from Critically Damaged Frame, Lexus Pearl White Paint, Original Factory Tonneau

11-19-2007, 05:46 PM	#14
dlandry427 Charles U. Farley Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,112	Re: Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? Uhhh, isn't that the stuff in blood?

11-19-2007, 07:12 PM	#16
hawk Braderunna Join Date: May 2004 Location: hampton, va Posts: 4,949	Re: Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? The aliens woulda made sure their educational curriculum included "states of matter". __________________ "Sparky"- 2003 Azure Blue w/MT and IUP Visit my garage on mach1mustang.org for details.

11-19-2007, 07:42 PM	#17
StangIT I smell burning rubber! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 920	Re: Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? I don't think it's even worth watching the FIFTY-FIVE MINUTE video!

11-20-2007, 07:50 AM	#19
GRB60 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Harleysville, PA Posts: 2,144	Re: Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? Simply put: If it looks too good to be true, it (probably) is! __________________ 2003 Torch Red 5 spd w/ IUP Built: 7/16/03

11-21-2007, 10:06 AM	#21
dlandry427 Charles U. Farley Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,112	Re: Fuel saving cats....legit or bs? Now come on W, next your gonna tell me that Direct Exhaust Injection was a bad idea!

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