Filler up SALT WATER PLEASE

[24kmach]

You aint seen nothing yet.
http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.asp...27&bw=hi&cat=2

[StangIT]

Yeah, I've seen this before and it's quite interesting.
Radio-waves causing Salt-Water to BURN! HOLY CRAP!

[24kmach]

I think the high rollers will put a stop to it. It would turn this world upside down.

[badappl]

Pretty amazing. A little high octane salt with that pretzel sir?

[Fastbandit99]

I wonder how much energy the radio wave generator is using. Is it less than the power provided by the burning hydrogen?

[hawk]

Sorry but the laws of thermodynamics can't be repealed. It takes more energy to crack O2 and H2 out of water than you get back by burning them. He is putting the energy in with radio waves, and getting less back out from burning the liberated gases.

[one mach 1]

Originally Posted by 24kmach

You aint seen nothing yet.
http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.asp...27&bw=hi&cat=2

Lets do it! It is remarkable technology!

[beerformeplz]

So much for curing cancer I guess, he could make more $ with the fuel.

[birdman941]

OMG!!!
What will Al Gore say?












Who effing cares what AG says, really!

[hawk]

Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Not quite true.............not really talking about thermodynamics here.
He may have found a great way to extract the hydrogen from water with out using electrolysis. It may be a few years before this new process can be utilized in a cost effective manner, but it will be used when we master fusion.

Sure we are. Energy balance.

He is putting energy into the system using the RF. That energy breaks the H-O ionic bonds, releasing the gases, which rebond covalently into the molecular, gaseous forms (H2, O2). The gases are recombined (the H2 is burned, i.e. combined with O2), releasing energy in the form of heat. This is strictly a chemical process, not fusion.

There is a net loss of energy, because some of the RF serves only to heat the water, that heat is then convected/radiated from the water. The process of converting electrical power to RF is also lossy, from I^2R losses as well as magnetic eddies in the transformers, transmission lines, waveguides, etc. - All expressed as waste heat.

[beerformeplz]

Originally Posted by hawk

He is putting energy into the system using the RF. That energy breaks the H-O ionic bonds, releasing the gases, which rebond covalently into the molecular, gaseous forms (H2, O2). The gases are recombined (the H2 is burned, i.e. combined with O2), releasing energy in the form of heat. This is strictly a chemical process, not fusion.

There is a net loss of energy, because some of the RF serves only to heat the water, that heat is then convected/radiated from the water. The process of converting electrical power to RF is also lossy, from I^2R losses as well as magnetic eddies in the transformers, transmission lines, waveguides, etc. - All expressed as waste heat.

J/K I have no clue what your talking about.

[darkshadow mach]

would the mach still need premium salt water?

[biodragon]

Originally Posted by hawk

Sure we are. Energy balance.

He is putting energy into the system using the RF. That energy breaks the H-O ionic bonds, releasing the gases, which rebond covalently into the molecular, gaseous forms (H2, O2). The gases are recombined (the H2 is burned, i.e. combined with O2), releasing energy in the form of heat. This is strictly a chemical process, not fusion.

There is a net loss of energy, because some of the RF serves only to heat the water, that heat is then convected/radiated from the water. The process of converting electrical power to RF is also lossy, from I^2R losses as well as magnetic eddies in the transformers, transmission lines, waveguides, etc. - All expressed as waste heat.

where were you when I was taking AC circuits....

[[DSG]Mach03]

I like to use hamsters to generate all my power needs.

[hawk]

Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Hillbilly!
You're missing my point. I said that CURRENTLY it's most likely NOT cost effective!! Go back to your chemistry though. There are some compounds that don't really take that much energy to break the ionic bonds.

The fusion comment was in reference to being the power supply to power the radio wave generator. Once we are able to get a net sum gain in the fusion process, power will ve VERY cheap. Get my drift now?

Yeah, DustBowl, once we get fusion that operates steady state, over unity, everything changes, including busting up water to get hydrogen. Of course regular electrolysis will be more useful than this, since the H2 and O2 will come off separate electrodes and can therefore be actually used.

As for the chemistry, sure, there are compounds that that don't take much energy to break ionic bonds. That doesn't mean you will get more energy from creating those bonds than you will spend breaking them. If you truly find a way to decrease entropy with a net energy gain, fusion power will be redundant. You will have made time run in reverse.

This thing is pretty much a fun parlor trick. If you like such displays, look up "plasma in the microwave" for a fun demonstration you can do with a glass, a match, and the Kenmore, if you are bored sometime.

[Azure Blurr]

Originally Posted by hawk

Yeah, DustBowl, once we get fusion that operates steady state, over unity, everything changes, including busting up water to get hydrogen. Of course regular electrolysis will be more useful than this, since the H2 and O2 will come off separate electrodes and can therefore be actually used.

As for the chemistry, sure, there are compounds that that don't take much energy to break ionic bonds. That doesn't mean you will get more energy from creating those bonds than you will spend breaking them. If you truly find a way to decrease entropy with a net energy gain, fusion power will be redundant. You will have made time run in reverse.

This thing is pretty much a fun parlor trick. If you like such displays, look up "plasma in the microwave" for a fun demonstration you can do with a glass, a match, and the Kenmore, if you are bored sometime.

Dude, I haven't even finished my coffee yet and you are spewing molecular breakdown and chemistry crap! Its going to be a tough day!

[Chirp 3rd]

I highly doubt it will have the energy density of gasoline.

[SHAKEN]

Watch it be the next doomsday device in the furture.

[hawk]

Originally Posted by SHAKEN

Watch it be the next doomsday device in the furture.

Great Plan!

We could fill giant cloth bags with it, and paint them with a mixture of nitrocellulose and aluminum powder. Then we could float them over the enemy, offer free rides, then fly them into an area with high static electricity potentials, dragging long grounding cables. WHOOOM!

[E-MACH]

Check Snopes. I believe this is a bucket of BS.

[dontmockthemach]

I am not sure about the possibilities, but I do know that the scientist that was struggling to say,"its incredible" or something or other along those lines, reminds me of the spelling bee champion http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=3

[Machy uno]

Originally Posted by Chirp 3rd

I highly doubt it will have the energy density of gasoline.

It may not, but if the process is more effiecent then you may be able to generate more net mechanical power. (ie. 50% of 100 is still more then then 10% of 200). I'll have to agree with hawk though that this is thermo. You can't get more energy out then you put in, its all just conversion of energy from one form to another. Because of friction and heat, you'll ALWAYS get less energy out then you put in.(also shown by the increase of entropy principle as hawk stated).

[Vegas Mach1]

I want my Flux capacitor, now there's a real invention, beer cans and all!