Ford Racing Cams

[Scott McClure]

Does anybody know where to get just the Ford 500 Cams. I don't want to change valves and with this kit you have to use the springs with those valves.

[birdman941]

You MUST use the springs with those cams.
In order to use the springs, you MUST use the valves.
This is due to the spring installed height, and the position of the keeper grooves on the valves.
Its a system engineered together.
If you're going to do it, do it all and do it right.

[MachOneThis]

Springs and valves are definitely important in the installation. Every story I have heard about people that did not use the springs/valves have always had complications.

[Scott McClure]

Originally Posted by birdman941

You MUST use the springs with those cams.
In order to use the springs, you MUST use the valves.
This is due to the spring installed height, and the position of the keeper grooves on the valves.
Its a system engineered together.
If you're going to do it, do it all and do it right.

I would change springs but you do not have to use there springs. You only have to use there springs if you use there valves.

[Linumup]

I did the whole pkg. like recommended . The whole idea was to have all that HP , yet be able to run on a daily basis. Normal idle with a ferocious bite.

[Scott McClure]

After more research I think I will go with the whole kit. Seems the valves are better than stock ones.

[birdman941]

Originally Posted by Scott McClure

I would change springs but you do not have to use there springs. You only have to use there springs if you use there valves.

You don't HAVE to use their springs, but you get them with the cams, so might as well use them.
Plus they are ENGINEERED together as a package".
FRPP parts are killer.
I plan on using the heads and cam kit on 5.4 in my Cobra "R" Clone.

[IrishMach]

what kind of numbers do these things put out? and what is the general cost?

[Scott McClure]

20-30 rwhp. $3000.00

[Fosters]

Originally Posted by Scott McClure

20-30 rwhp. $3000.00

erm, price is more around 1300-1500, not 3000.

[Scott McClure]

Originally Posted by Fosters

erm, price is more around 1300-1500, not 3000.

I meant $3000.00 with install.

[MachOneThis]

I bought mine for $1,100 and then installed them ourselves which saved a lot of money. Im sure you will be more than happy with the results. I never dynoed my car before I had the cams so I can not tell you officially what I gained. Good Luck.

[Nazman]

410RHWP/334RWTQ (stock short block) with the FR500 Intake, Heads & Cams/Valvetrain.

Spun her to 7200RPMs and did not peaked !

I say, yeah they make power!

[IrishMach]

Originally Posted by Scott McClure

20-30 rwhp. $3000.00

......3 grand for 20 hp? man why does that sound no where near worth it?

[Nazman]

Originally Posted by IrishMach

......3 grand for 20 hp? man why does that sound no where near worth it?

You could get the complete cam kit (cams, valves, springs, followers, seals, etc) for about 1250.00.

Now, if you look at my numbers you tell me if the gain was "20" HP.

Naz

[IrishMach]

Originally Posted by Nazman

You could get the complete cam kit (cams, valves, springs, followers, seals, etc) for about 1250.00.

Now, if you look at my numbers you tell me if the gain was "20" HP.

Naz

ok why the big difference in numbers here?? remove your intake and heads and where would you stand?

[birdman941]

If I remember correctly, the entire FR500 Heads/Cams etc. is a PACKAGE, which should increase your HP by 70 or so.
I am aware that they are available separately only, but you have to admit, FRPP parts just plain work.
I have had the pleasure of buying and utilizing a LOT of SVO/FRPP parts and over the years and they are top notch.
I am definitely putting the FR500 pkg. on the "Body in white project" motor.
Only in a 5.4L, 6 speed, 4.10's or 4.30's, etc. ......

[Fosters]

Originally Posted by IrishMach

ok why the big difference in numbers here?? remove your intake and heads and where would you stand?

the big difference is in the intake.

our cars' heads are comparable with the fr500s he put on, but the 99 heads aren't. for ~5 grand you'd be hitting near if not a lil' over 400 rwhp with the cams/intake on our cars.

[ITLRUN]

Originally Posted by birdman941

I am definitely putting the FR500 pkg. on the "Body in white project" motor.
Only in a 5.4L, 6 speed, 4.10's or 4.30's, etc. ......

I think you mean to say 4.56's or 4.88's..... Trust me, 4.10's + FR500 PKG + T-56 = No Torque Multiplication

[ITLRUN]

Im doing the complete FR500 Heads / Cams / Intake in the next few weeks.... I am really excited to see what we can expect. However, on of the Magizines is going to be involved and I wont be able to openly discuss numbers. We are not sure what to expect.

I can tell you I will be using 4.56 gears as a minimium...

[Brain]

Hey ITLRUN,

I know Ford is not going to be selling a lot of FR500 parts, but why doesn't Parkway and other shops at least list the parts on their website?

I'm looking forward to the article.

[birdman941]

Originally Posted by ITLRUN

I think you mean to say 4.56's or 4.88's..... Trust me, 4.10's + FR500 PKG + T-56 = No Torque Multiplication

I am still configuring it.
I am guessing with the longer 5.4 stroke, I may be able to get away with a bit less gear.
Plus, it has a brand new complete 04 Cobra IRS in the rear.
Too much gear and it might break.

[speeddemon]

These are probably some dumb questions but...is this the kit that you all are talking about? http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product.phtml?p=985 And also, will that kit work with our stock heads or would we have to upgrade the heads? And for the last dumb question, would that kit or the Crower stage 3 have more of a "old school" lope? Thanks in advance

[Linumup]

Yes , Speeddemon i just finished the complete pkg.. If you notice they suggest installing the heads at the same time. In other words or putting it nicely, you have to run the complete pkg. if you want to drive it on a regular basis without problems. Ford racing parts has this on there website. I was informed that the FR500 motor pkg., Engineer and Design dept. specifically designed this as a complete pkg.. It was not however designed to mix and match. Finally, when and if the rest of the herd decide to install this pkg. let me remind you by getting these modifications not only will you be getting much needed power but FORD has done all of the homework for you !!!!!!!!!P.S. Oh yeah if your spending all that money you might as well take care of the bottom end. Hey Naz Ill be on the DYNO on Tues.. Should be some pretty good numbers.

[Scott McClure]

Originally Posted by speeddemon

These are probably some dumb questions but...is this the kit that you all are talking about? http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product.phtml?p=985 And also, will that kit work with our stock heads or would we have to upgrade the heads? And for the last dumb question, would that kit or the Crower stage 3 have more of a "old school" lope? Thanks in advance

After more research the crower stage 3 cams are a bad idea. Larger base circle that needs to be addressed. The Ford kit can be used with your stock heads which are actually pretty good.