Need some input about cams - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

04comporgmach1 · 04-20-2013, 10:48 AM

I am looking to do a cam install on my car. I am looking at doing stage 2 cams. I haven't decided which brand to go with yet. It is a project that I am going to have done at a shop due to wanting the new cams degreed and timed along with new timing chains and gears installed as well. What I would like some input on is for those of you that had a similar install done is to what it cost to have it done. I contacted brenspeed already and the price they gave me seems really excesive. Thanks for the input

04MACH!DSG · 04-20-2013, 11:25 AM

The last time I was looking I want to say that I was quoted $1500 for the installed and that was with them not degreed.

Stopsign32v · 04-20-2013, 12:45 PM

Why do you want "stage 2" cams? What do they do over "stage 1"?

na svt · 04-20-2013, 09:42 PM

The specs of each each company's "stage" cams are different. Also, none of the aftermarket offerings have optimum lobe centers which means you will be giving up power if you install the cams per the cam card.

Purchase cams that have the duration and lobe centers that will provide the power where you want it, not by their "stage" number.

Newskool Mach · 04-21-2013, 12:39 AM

^^Listen to the cam guru^^ he is wise beyond his years!!

Mach916 · 04-21-2013, 05:25 AM

i payed 1500... makes sure to get arp cam bolts... also if i would do it over again i would only choose oem cams... that leaves fr500 or 96 cobra intake cams.. oem is always going to be more reliable..doesnt mean most powerful..but its a give and take.

Mach916 · 04-21-2013, 05:48 AM

http://www.mre-books.com/sa82/sa82_8.html

The billet cores are manufactured from 8620 steel and rough profiled on a
camshaft mill. The billet cores are heavier than the stock cams by a significant margin (7.5 lbs vs. 5
lbs), since they are solid through the center, not hollow like the OEM camshaft. This poses no real
problems, except for very high-end road-race and drag 4-valve engines where rotating mass is
minimized..

Ben99GT · 04-21-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach916

http://www.mre-books.com/sa82/sa82_8.html

The billet cores are manufactured from 8620 steel and rough profiled on a
camshaft mill. The billet cores are heavier than the stock cams by a significant margin (7.5 lbs vs. 5
lbs), since they are solid through the center, not hollow like the OEM camshaft. This poses no real
problems, except for very high-end road-race and drag 4-valve engines where rotating mass is
minimized..

Mihovetz spins billet cams over 10,000 rpm, 1badautogt has no issues with his billet cams at 9000. It's a non issue, sticking with oem cams poses too many profile limitations.

Roy · 04-21-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben99GT

Mihovetz spins billet cams over 10,000 rpm, 1badautogt has no issues with his billet cams at 9000. It's a non issue, sticking with oem cams poses too many profile limitations.

Accufab balances their cams to eliminate vibration at high rpm.

mikeracing · 04-21-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach916

http://www.mre-books.com/sa82/sa82_8.html

The billet cores are manufactured from 8620 steel and rough profiled on a
camshaft mill. The billet cores are heavier than the stock cams by a significant margin (7.5 lbs vs. 5
lbs), since they are solid through the center, not hollow like the OEM camshaft. This poses no real
problems, except for very high-end road-race and drag 4-valve engines where rotating mass is
minimized..

"Mihovetz spins billet cams over 10,000 rpm, 1badautogt has no issues with his billet cams at 9000. It's a non issue, sticking with oem cams poses too many profile limitations. "

but if you are looking to reduce rotating mass the cams are not the place to be that concerned because the cams spin at 1/2 the speed of the crank shaft

so my opinion would be to save weight on your rotating assembly and not the cams

plus its not just the mass its how much and how far from center the mass is so gun drilling shouldnt really change much at all

04comporgmach1 · 04-21-2013, 03:54 PM

well all of this is good info but only 1 of you actually put info i was looking for in here. i was asking about price for the install not info about cams themselves. i honestly am just looking at getting cams due to the fact i love how a car sounds with cams installed not for any performance aspect. for the $$$ i would be better off putting a supercharger on her, since when i account for the cams, labor, etc, it isnt going to be much different in price. Plus i can do the KB 2.1 kit right here in my garage.

mikeracing · 04-21-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 04comporgmach1

well all of this is good info but only 1 of you actually put info i was looking for in here. i was asking about price for the install not info about cams themselves. i honestly am just looking at getting cams due to the fact i love how a car sounds with cams installed not for any performance aspect. for the $$$ i would be better off putting a supercharger on her, since when i account for the cams, labor, etc, it isnt going to be much different in price. Plus i can do the KB 2.1 kit right here in my garage.

well i believe they can do a special tune that will give you the sound of having cams that would be the cheapest

you can install the cams your self in your garage

and the only way to get a kb for a mach 1 anymore is to piece together your own kit or find used

ModularMach1 · 04-21-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeracing

well i believe they can do a special tune that will give you the sound of having cams that would be the cheapest

you can install the cams your self in your garage

and the only way to get a kb for a mach 1 anymore is to piece together your own kit or find used

The "ghost cam tune" is for the new 5.0's.

mikeracing · 04-21-2013, 05:46 PM

oooh ok my bad

Blitz34 · 04-21-2013, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeracing

well i believe they can do a special tune that will give you the sound of having cams that would be the cheapest

you can install the cams your self in your garage

and the only way to get a kb for a mach 1 anymore is to piece together your own kit or find used

Last time I looked, KB still had a mach 1 kit up on their site. Still possible to my knowledge.

Stopsign32v · 04-22-2013, 01:01 AM

I pulled a vacuum hose one time. Sounded cammed......kinda

SHAKN32V · 04-23-2013, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

I pulled a vacuum hose one time. Sounded cammed......kinda

Haha been there done that many times...

na svt · 04-23-2013, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy

Accufab balances their cams to eliminate vibration at high rpm.

...and they are "gun drilled." With that said, many are running unbalance, non gun drilled the billets at 8000rpm. The Road Racing cams I had from Roush spend hours above 7000rpm and they were neither balanced or drilled.

BTW, Comp sells balanced cams but they are heavier than their stock billets.

mikeracing · 04-23-2013, 07:52 AM

Yes the kit is on the site but when you call to order they will tell you sorry ford stopped making the manifold they used and no longer sell the kit

na svt · 04-24-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach916

The billet cores are heavier than the stock cams by a significant margin (7.5 lbs vs. 5 lbs)

I just weighed two cams, one 96 intake and a new billet with 250deg duration @.050".

96 intake, 5lbs 1 oz.
250 deg billet, 6lbs 6oz.

The billet cam despite having much larger lobes is not even close to 7.5lbs.

04-20-2013, 10:48 AM	#1
04comporgmach1 rock out with ur mach out Join Date: May 2004 Location: ft campbell, ky Posts: 552	Need some input about cams I am looking to do a cam install on my car. I am looking at doing stage 2 cams. I haven't decided which brand to go with yet. It is a project that I am going to have done at a shop due to wanting the new cams degreed and timed along with new timing chains and gears installed as well. What I would like some input on is for those of you that had a similar install done is to what it cost to have it done. I contacted brenspeed already and the price they gave me seems really excesive. Thanks for the input __________________ current stable 2004 Comp. Orange Mach 1 (procharged!!!) 2009 F-150 2007 Harley-Davidson Softail Deuce Gone but not forgoten 1982 F-150 (sold) 1968 Mercury Cougar- 428SCJ (sold as rolling chassis) 2002 Harley-Davidson Dyna Lowrider

04-20-2013, 11:25 AM	#2
04MACH!DSG Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: MI Posts: 358	Re: Need some input about cams The last time I was looking I want to say that I was quoted $1500 for the installed and that was with them not degreed. __________________ 2004 Mach 1 Vortech V2-SQ, Powerpipe, BBK LT's, catted X-pipe, 4.10's, Roy's 7/8 spacer. 470 rwhp 410 rwtq On a mustang dyno

04-20-2013, 12:45 PM	#3
Stopsign32v Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 2,554	Re: Need some input about cams Why do you want "stage 2" cams? What do they do over "stage 1"? __________________ 03 white Mach1 JLT RAI \| 1/2 spacer \| Catback \| 4.56s 7.76@87.8mph

04-20-2013, 09:42 PM	#4
na svt Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: beavercreek, oh Posts: 4,695	Re: Need some input about cams The specs of each each company's "stage" cams are different. Also, none of the aftermarket offerings have optimum lobe centers which means you will be giving up power if you install the cams per the cam card. Purchase cams that have the duration and lobe centers that will provide the power where you want it, not by their "stage" number. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/groups/481330828691064/

04-21-2013, 12:39 AM	#5
Newskool Mach 10 second club! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Royal Palm Beach FL. Posts: 2,472	Re: Need some input about cams ^^Listen to the cam guru^^ he is wise beyond his years!! __________________ 2014 GHIG GT auto soon to have the whoosh 03 Torch red auto (gone)

04-21-2013, 05:25 AM	#6
Mach916 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 1,044	Re: Need some input about cams i payed 1500... makes sure to get arp cam bolts... also if i would do it over again i would only choose oem cams... that leaves fr500 or 96 cobra intake cams.. oem is always going to be more reliable..doesnt mean most powerful..but its a give and take. __________________ 2003 Mach 1 5spd Black with IUP Engine Mods: cone filter, Crower stage 2 cams, Hooker long tubes, SLP Powerflo exhaust Rear end: Cobra diff, moser axles, 3.73 gears, Ford Racing aluminum driveshaft Suspension: Eibach Pro kit with poly isolators And some other small things... 348.6/331.6 sae

04-21-2013, 05:48 AM	#7
Mach916 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 1,044	Re: Need some input about cams http://www.mre-books.com/sa82/sa82_8.html The billet cores are manufactured from 8620 steel and rough profiled on a camshaft mill. The billet cores are heavier than the stock cams by a significant margin (7.5 lbs vs. 5 lbs), since they are solid through the center, not hollow like the OEM camshaft. This poses no real problems, except for very high-end road-race and drag 4-valve engines where rotating mass is minimized.. __________________ 2003 Mach 1 5spd Black with IUP Engine Mods: cone filter, Crower stage 2 cams, Hooker long tubes, SLP Powerflo exhaust Rear end: Cobra diff, moser axles, 3.73 gears, Ford Racing aluminum driveshaft Suspension: Eibach Pro kit with poly isolators And some other small things... 348.6/331.6 sae

04-21-2013, 03:54 PM	#11
04comporgmach1 rock out with ur mach out Join Date: May 2004 Location: ft campbell, ky Posts: 552	Re: Need some input about cams well all of this is good info but only 1 of you actually put info i was looking for in here. i was asking about price for the install not info about cams themselves. i honestly am just looking at getting cams due to the fact i love how a car sounds with cams installed not for any performance aspect. for the $$$ i would be better off putting a supercharger on her, since when i account for the cams, labor, etc, it isnt going to be much different in price. Plus i can do the KB 2.1 kit right here in my garage. __________________ current stable 2004 Comp. Orange Mach 1 (procharged!!!) 2009 F-150 2007 Harley-Davidson Softail Deuce Gone but not forgoten 1982 F-150 (sold) 1968 Mercury Cougar- 428SCJ (sold as rolling chassis) 2002 Harley-Davidson Dyna Lowrider

04-21-2013, 05:46 PM	#14
mikeracing MECHANIC Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 916	Re: Need some input about cams oooh ok my bad

04-22-2013, 01:01 AM	#16
Stopsign32v Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 2,554	Re: Need some input about cams I pulled a vacuum hose one time. Sounded cammed......kinda __________________ 03 white Mach1 JLT RAI \| 1/2 spacer \| Catback \| 4.56s 7.76@87.8mph

04-23-2013, 07:52 AM	#19
mikeracing MECHANIC Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 916	Re: Need some input about cams Yes the kit is on the site but when you call to order they will tell you sorry ford stopped making the manifold they used and no longer sell the kit

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