So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

mgk2 · 03-06-2013, 04:46 PM

Looking to improve the gene pool with something newer and bigger. But I don't want to break the bank!

Stopsign32v · 03-06-2013, 04:48 PM

It's been done in other mustangs but I don't think it's as simple as you would imagine.

1badautogt · 03-06-2013, 05:04 PM

Why would you?

bakerjd · 03-06-2013, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1badautogt

Why would you?

My thoughts exactly.

Stopsign32v · 03-06-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1badautogt

Why would you?

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Originally Posted by bakerjd

My thoughts exactly.

The fact that it's a better motor...?

rich1 · 03-06-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

The fact that it's a better motor...?

Maybe not ...Ive seen some dont think so on other sites ... so roll the dice.

ModularMach1 · 03-06-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rich1

Maybe not ...Ive seen some dont think so on other sites ... so roll the dice.

How is it not? Full bolt on mach is like 320ish whp, and the coyote is 430ish, correct? Coyote has better rods and pistons, right? Better heads? More displacement?

bleedingfordblu · 03-06-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

The fact that it's a better motor...?

ehhhh... thats debatable. i dont like the electronic throttle on them. they seem to be having trouble with #8 pistons lowing compression. i'd much rather just build my existing engine

rich1 · 03-06-2013, 06:44 PM

I have seen at least 3 of the 5.0 motors for sale on other sites . Why is that ? Too hard to install in a older Fox body , I dont think so. I think that some of the #8 cylinder issues are also a concern . I mean most of the most of the motors are being pulled from newer cars, Wrecked maybe ..maybe not !

Supra · 03-06-2013, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bleedingfordblu

ehhhh... thats debatable. i dont like the electronic throttle on them. they seem to be having trouble with #8 pistons lowing compression. i'd much rather just build my existing engine

The flyby wire is improved quite a bit with an aftermarket tune. Stock it is a bit laggy though.

#8 failures are a thing of the past.

XSELLR8 · 03-06-2013, 07:32 PM

If the Mach hasn't blown the engine I'd consider what I did..BUY A TERMINATOR

that way you get another car out of it. Just my opinion

Unrealford · 03-06-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Supra

The flyby wire is improved quite a bit with an aftermarket tune. Stock it is a bit laggy though.

#8 failures are a thing of the past.

100% Correct, #8 failures were all on cars with aftermarket tunes, none on stock tunes.

rich1 · 03-06-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Unrealford

100% Correct, #8 failures were all on cars with aftermarket tunes, none on stock tunes.

Wanna bet ? Maybe not for BOSS engines .. go to DFW Mustang site and see.

Unrealford · 03-06-2013, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rich1

Wanna bet ? Maybe not for BOSS engines .. go to DFW Mustang site and see.

Interesting,havent seem any on stock tunes.

Stopsign32v · 03-06-2013, 08:06 PM

LOL @ Mach owners thinking our motors are better than the new 5.0

rich1 · 03-06-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

LOL @ Mach owners thinking our motors are better than the new 5.0

You dont know what i think..:

3:
.But what i say is the new 5.0 motor is having #8 cylinder failures and head ticks !They also are having trans issues too. Just 3 issues like the Machs did. So...thinking out loud, it may not be any better than a Mach!

OW99 · 03-06-2013, 08:34 PM

Another thing that isn't spoken very often is originality. It may be worth more down the road with its original engine.

2camsam · 03-06-2013, 08:46 PM

I think we will see more swaps as more and 5.0's get into the wrecking yards. I just don't think you will see a lot of Mach's with a 5.0 in it being it is a limited production car.
Plus with the 4.6 4v kind of never finished the job ,crummy cams ,horrible intake and exhaust manifolds. They finally said screw it and threw a blower on it in the Terminator. I have been impressed with the way my 4.6l has responded to mods. I just wish Ford had would have used the 96-98 cam grinds stock and the car would have been a true 350 hp car from the factory.

I'll probably get a used 5.0 GT 3-4 years down the road when they get under 20 grand and build one. For right now I'm saving for a big bore boss block and build a 600 hp na motor with my outdated c heads.

na svt · 03-06-2013, 10:33 PM

There is no debate as to which engine is better. In stock form the 5.0 makes 100rwhp more than a 4.6 while having a much higher and broader tq curve. Also, the potential of the 5.0 is far greater than that of the 4.6. There are stock, unopened 5.0s with longtubes running low 10s in NMRAs coyote stock class when a stock 4.6 would have trouble getting mid 11s at the same weight.

It does have some growing pains but then again did the 4.6. The 4.6s include: shitty intakes, head cooling issues and those came about many years after the 4.6 4v was introduced.

There really is no comparison.

A cheaper option than the mustang 5.0 is the truck 5.0. It has .5 lower compression and cams with less duration but with aftermarket cams and a boss intake will outperform a stock 5.0 by a great margin.

N0M0CK · 03-06-2013, 11:40 PM

Not me

4valve 4tw? · 03-07-2013, 08:22 PM

As NA SVT said, better is better. If they both have identical issues(hypothetically speaking), and one makes a much broader, factory, 100 more hp, then that would make the 5.0 better.

But as far as getting everything hooked up, wired right, and street driven, an LSx swap is actually easier and probably more common. It's really ironic that probably the easiest, non-GM car to swap a camaro engine into, is the mustang.

bakerjd · 03-07-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

LOL @ Mach owners thinking our motors are better than the new 5.0

I would never claim that. I would just rather build the 4.6 engine. Just my 2 cents.

SchwermoRacing · 03-07-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 4valve 4tw?

As NA SVT said, better is better. If they both have identical issues(hypothetically speaking), and one makes a much broader, factory, 100 more hp, then that would make the 5.0 better.

But as far as getting everything hooked up, wired right, and street driven, an LSx swap is actually easier and probably more common. It's really ironic that probably the easiest, non-GM car to swap a camaro engine into, is the mustang.

I think he RX-7 is easier.

Personally the only cars I would looks at upgrading to is a 04 Cobra or a BOSS.

rich1 · 03-07-2013, 10:58 PM

[LSx swap is actually easier and probably more common. It's really ironic that probably the easiest, non-GM car to swap a camaro engine into, is the mustang.[/QUOTE]

LSX motor my *** ..

. In a local series grudge races last year it was GM and Ford . My friend with a Mach went to race a 93 Fox body with a LSX motor. Just before the race we went from a 125 shot to a 150 shot of nitrous. He said that he knew it was going to be close ,but even it blew up he was still going to be in front. He was by about 25 feet.

TRmachwon · 03-08-2013, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 1badautogt

Why would you?

Because with an intake and a tune it will make more power than just about any 4.6L N/A build.

Why WOULDN'T you?

03-06-2013, 04:46 PM	#1
mgk2 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines,Fla Posts: 986	So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor Looking to improve the gene pool with something newer and bigger. But I don't want to break the bank!

03-06-2013, 04:48 PM	#2
Stopsign32v Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 2,554	Re: So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor It's been done in other mustangs but I don't think it's as simple as you would imagine. __________________ 03 white Mach1 JLT RAI \| 1/2 spacer \| Catback \| 4.56s 7.76@87.8mph

03-06-2013, 05:04 PM	#3
1badautogt Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: ... Posts: 280	Re: So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor Why would you? __________________ facebook.com/modmafiaperformance

03-06-2013, 06:44 PM	#9
rich1 AUTOMACHTIC Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: RTP/ N.C. Posts: 4,813	Re: So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor I have seen at least 3 of the 5.0 motors for sale on other sites . Why is that ? Too hard to install in a older Fox body , I dont think so. I think that some of the #8 cylinder issues are also a concern . I mean most of the most of the motors are being pulled from newer cars, Wrecked maybe ..maybe not ! __________________ UPGRADES...Tokico Illuminas Borla SS Catback , Steeda Underdrives , Strut Brace , HPM Lower K Brace , L /C Arms , U /C Arms , HPM PanHard Bar, K&N FRPK 2, GOODYEAR GT1 , MRT- H-Pipe , JLT VaporTraps , SLP-12'" Tips! , FRPP Shorty 1 5/8 Headers , Brembo D/S & PBR D/S Rotors ,FRPP Alum.DS ,Roys 3/8 Spacer , SVT Focus 255 pump SCTsw Chip PRO-DYNOjet NA 300.01hp /315tq (Auto) ,Innovate W/B ,Compucar Wet Kit (90jet) + Heater and E Gauge * 360 hp/385tq 12.5 -1/4 @112

03-06-2013, 07:32 PM	#11
XSELLR8 Mach-o-holic Join Date: May 2010 Location: La La Land Posts: 1,276	Re: So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor If the Mach hasn't blown the engine I'd consider what I did..BUY A TERMINATOR that way you get another car out of it. Just my opinion __________________ 2003 Mach 1 TR 5 Speed IUP Bolt ons: You name it! 4.10s too 2004 Cobra Screaming Yellow 2.3L Whipple Gear install vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJrAIDCpbDI Clutch Replacement Vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFr0Rur_EWc Wideband Install Vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmL1KBmWyhg

03-06-2013, 08:06 PM	#15
Stopsign32v Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 2,554	Re: So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor LOL @ Mach owners thinking our motors are better than the new 5.0 __________________ 03 white Mach1 JLT RAI \| 1/2 spacer \| Catback \| 4.56s 7.76@87.8mph

03-06-2013, 08:34 PM	#17
OW99 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 7	Another thing that isn't spoken very often is originality. It may be worth more down the road with its original engine.

03-06-2013, 08:46 PM	#18
2camsam Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Knoxville Posts: 803	Re: So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor I think we will see more swaps as more and 5.0's get into the wrecking yards. I just don't think you will see a lot of Mach's with a 5.0 in it being it is a limited production car. Plus with the 4.6 4v kind of never finished the job ,crummy cams ,horrible intake and exhaust manifolds. They finally said screw it and threw a blower on it in the Terminator. I have been impressed with the way my 4.6l has responded to mods. I just wish Ford had would have used the 96-98 cam grinds stock and the car would have been a true 350 hp car from the factory. I'll probably get a used 5.0 GT 3-4 years down the road when they get under 20 grand and build one. For right now I'm saving for a big bore boss block and build a 600 hp na motor with my outdated c heads.

03-06-2013, 10:33 PM	#19
na svt Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: beavercreek, oh Posts: 4,695	Re: So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor There is no debate as to which engine is better. In stock form the 5.0 makes 100rwhp more than a 4.6 while having a much higher and broader tq curve. Also, the potential of the 5.0 is far greater than that of the 4.6. There are stock, unopened 5.0s with longtubes running low 10s in NMRAs coyote stock class when a stock 4.6 would have trouble getting mid 11s at the same weight. It does have some growing pains but then again did the 4.6. The 4.6s include: shitty intakes, head cooling issues and those came about many years after the 4.6 4v was introduced. There really is no comparison. A cheaper option than the mustang 5.0 is the truck 5.0. It has .5 lower compression and cams with less duration but with aftermarket cams and a boss intake will outperform a stock 5.0 by a great margin. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/groups/481330828691064/

03-06-2013, 11:40 PM	#20
N0M0CK Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 45	Re: So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor Not me

03-07-2013, 08:22 PM	#21
4valve 4tw? Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Parkesburg, PA Posts: 1,084	Re: So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor As NA SVT said, better is better. If they both have identical issues(hypothetically speaking), and one makes a much broader, factory, 100 more hp, then that would make the 5.0 better. But as far as getting everything hooked up, wired right, and street driven, an LSx swap is actually easier and probably more common. It's really ironic that probably the easiest, non-GM car to swap a camaro engine into, is the mustang.

03-07-2013, 10:58 PM	#24
rich1 AUTOMACHTIC Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: RTP/ N.C. Posts: 4,813	Re: So who swapped their Mach1 motor for Coyote motor [LSx swap is actually easier and probably more common. It's really ironic that probably the easiest, non-GM car to swap a camaro engine into, is the mustang.[/QUOTE] LSX motor my *** ... In a local series grudge races last year it was GM and Ford . My friend with a Mach went to race a 93 Fox body with a LSX motor. Just before the race we went from a 125 shot to a 150 shot of nitrous. He said that he knew it was going to be close ,but even it blew up he was still going to be in front. He was by about 25 feet. __________________ UPGRADES...Tokico Illuminas Borla SS Catback , Steeda Underdrives , Strut Brace , HPM Lower K Brace , L /C Arms , U /C Arms , HPM PanHard Bar, K&N FRPK 2, GOODYEAR GT1 , MRT- H-Pipe , JLT VaporTraps , SLP-12'" Tips! , FRPP Shorty 1 5/8 Headers , Brembo D/S & PBR D/S Rotors ,FRPP Alum.DS ,Roys 3/8 Spacer , SVT Focus 255 pump SCTsw Chip PRO-DYNOjet NA 300.01hp /315tq (Auto) ,Innovate W/B ,Compucar Wet Kit (90jet) + Heater and E Gauge * 360 hp/385tq 12.5 -1/4 @112

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