Drove the New Challenger.... and its official.... - Page 2 - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

Madmax305 · 08-29-2008, 06:43 PM

For those of you who have bashed this car and have not seen or been in one, Ford takes a back seat to the Fit and Finish of this car. The quality and craftsmanship is excellent. This car even comes with side curtain air bags. Jay Leno praised the new Challenger and called his old classic Hemi Challenger a bucket of crap compared to the new ones. Jay's the man, he ought to know....

305HP · 08-29-2008, 06:49 PM

STR has stated the manual will run "similar times" as the auto.

Bert5.0 · 08-30-2008, 11:10 AM

You thought a Challenger is supposed to be a sports car?

People think everything is a sports car these days.

c0nfl1kt · 08-30-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bert5.0

You thought a Challenger is supposed to be a sports car?

People think everything is a sports car these days.

Do you consider the GT500 a sports car? If yes, then the Challenger is a sports car since it can beat it in the corners and keep up with it in a straight line with its pig-iron underpowered Hemi.

Bert5.0 · 08-30-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

Do you consider the GT500 a sports car? If yes, then the Challenger is a sports car since it can beat it in the corners and keep up with it in a straight line with its pig-iron underpowered Hemi.

GT500 is a muscle car just like the Challenger. People need to educate themselves. Nobody seems to know the difference between a muscle car, pony car, or sports car.

Cooldbz12 · 08-30-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

Do you consider the GT500 a sports car? If yes, then the Challenger is a sports car since it can beat it in the corners and keep up with it in a straight line with its pig-iron underpowered Hemi.

Ha, The challenger 6.1 has the same HP as the charger 6.1L, and they weigh about the same, ive outran 2 Charger str8s 6.1Ls when i just had exhaust on my Mach, they are not fast for there HP numbers, cuz they weigh more than a bus. The Challenger with the 5.7L hem with 380hp was running the same times as a 99-04 Mustang GT with 260hp.

Madmax305 · 08-30-2008, 12:13 PM

Guys, do you really think anybody that will buy these cars are going to keep them stock? I don't think so... It will take more HP to get these things rolling, but you are also working with a 5.7 that responds well to JUST basic mods. This motor responds to bolt on's like the Chevy LS1. Now Imagine a head/cam/intake/exhaust swap for starters, and if that's not enough, you always have power adders.

I've said it before, this is not a bad car for a DD, heck most DD are toyota's, mini vans and nissans. Mine should be at the dealership in December. Then let the mods begin with 20" Classic Torq thrust II, Classic Trans Am hood and the Classic side decal kit for starters. The motor mods will come later....

I can't wait, I feel like a kid in a candy store.....

c0nfl1kt · 08-30-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooldbz12

Ha, The challenger 6.1 has the same HP as the charger 6.1L, and they weigh about the same, ive outran 2 Charger str8s 6.1Ls when i just had exhaust on my Mach, they are not fast for there HP numbers, cuz they weigh more than a bus. The Challenger with the 5.7L hem with 380hp was running the same times as a 99-04 Mustang GT with 260hp.

There is more to a cars performance than just HP numbers. You should know that...

c0nfl1kt · 08-30-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bert5.0

GT500 is a muscle car just like the Challenger. People need to educate themselves. Nobody seems to know the difference between a muscle car, pony car, or sports car.

If you want to get all technicaly then lets get technical. Now, going around a corner is considered part of the sport of Racing(open track, drifting, etc). Is it a sports car, now?

By your definition, then anything short of a carbon-fibre bodied Ferrari is not a sports car. Get real.

yosvany · 08-30-2008, 06:57 PM

really nice, but a 1 inch drop wouldn't hurt it either.

3150Mach1 · 08-30-2008, 08:07 PM

Nope. Not my cup of tea.

birdman941 · 08-30-2008, 08:31 PM

They look ok, but they are even heavier than an S197.

c0nfl1kt · 08-30-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by yosvany

really nice, but a 1 inch drop wouldn't hurt it either.

Race it?

bleedingfordblu · 08-30-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 03Mach150BP

Nope. Not my cup of tea.

yeah not a big fan of the car.

yosvany · 08-30-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

Race it?

wish i had

Thunderbolt · 08-30-2008, 10:31 PM

White does'nt suit that car at all. The gray, black, orange I've seen pics of look good though.

Shaker1 · 08-31-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

I mean, Motor Trend made a good point when they compared handling in and out of corners in both cars and the Challenger whooped on the GT500.

Whooped on? That's not what their numbers show. Challenger on the left.

Plus, for $800 and 30 minutes of time the GT500 has 500 rwhp. And is already forged...no contest in terms of potential.

Acceleration to mph
0-30 1.8 sec 1.8 sec
0-40 2.6 2.5
0-50 3.5 3.3
0-60 4.7 4.3
0-70 5.9 5.4
0-80 7.4 6.7
0-90 9.3 8.1
0-100 11.3 9.7
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.3 2.0
Quarter mile 13.1 sec @ 108.3 mph 12.6 sec @ 114.2 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 117 ft 118 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.87 g (avg) 0.89 g (avg)
MT figure eight 26.4 sec @ 0.69 g (avg) 25.9 sec @ 0.71 g (avg)
Top-gear revs @ 60 mph 1900 rpm 1650 rpm

HotRod · 08-31-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

If you want to get all technicaly then lets get technical. Now, going around a corner is considered part of the sport of Racing(open track, drifting, etc). Is it a sports car, now?

By your definition, then anything short of a carbon-fibre bodied Ferrari is not a sports car. Get real.

Sports cars are 2 seaters, not 4. Corvette, Viper etc.. 4 seaters are muscle cars.
Sedans are not sports cars either, they are also muscle cars if American made. If not they are junk.

JohnHow11 · 08-31-2008, 02:30 PM

.... way to pick apart my words...

The reason I said its the end of the "SPORTS" car era is every new car that seams to come out seams to be sacrificing power and performance for safety.... Want examples ???

08 + Mitsubishin Evo
08+ Subura WRX STI

08 + Challenger
09 + Camaro

I know it sounds dumb but I was a big fan of both the evo and sti growing up, and maybe its just me but to release a NEW verson of a sports car and have it perform almost 1 second slower in the 1/4 mile is absoute garbage.

vtecDIS · 09-01-2008, 07:03 PM

yeah i like the look, but its slow, heavy and only in auto.

03Tremec · 09-01-2008, 07:06 PM

....I second what he said...

Hawkgfr · 09-01-2008, 09:41 PM

lol at the hate....Well where to start...

The Machs were selling at premiums...for about 15 minutes when the 03's came out...in fact there are people here that paid over sticker...By the end of the 04 run...they were offering 4k rebates.

The same for the new Mustang...now you can get leftover GT's for 19k..

Yes...the car is a pig...yes SOME dealers are selling the SRT for over msrp...blame the gt500. /

...Heck over sticker for a bullit...now ther's a steal.

or how bout the Shelby gt 350...wow that is a legal steal.

The r/t version does have the stick...and will sticker for about what the 03/04 Machs listed for...and as stated...it's a whole lot more car.

oh and the Challeger is a PONY car....like the Stang and the Camaro..

bleedingfordblu · 09-01-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkgfr

lol at the hate....Well where to start...

The Machs were selling at premiums...for about 15 minutes when the 03's came out...in fact there are people here that paid over sticker...By the end of the 04 run...they were offering 4k rebates.

The same for the new Mustang...now you can get leftover GT's for 19k..

Yes...the car is a pig...yes SOME dealers are selling the SRT for over msrp...blame the gt500. /

...Heck over sticker for a bullit...now ther's a steal.

or how bout the Shelby gt 350...wow that is a legal steal.

The r/t version does have the stick...and will sticker for about what the 03/04 Machs listed for...and as stated...it's a whole lot more car.

oh and the Challeger is a PONY car....like the Stang and the Camaro..

i dont see how its a lot more car, the mach is quicker than the r/t. they have to get the SRT 8 to go against a mach

Shaker1 · 09-02-2008, 02:16 AM

Seriously tho, we are talking about cars with different appeals and perhaps purposes. Depends on what you are looking for.

If it is a lightweight, fuel efficient, basic 1/4 miler then the Mach is hard to beat.

If it is all out power and cheap easy modding ability, then the GT500 wins hands down.

If you are willing to trade some performance for comfort and a nice ride and decent retro looks, then the Challenger R/T might fit the bill.

And if you don't mind the dismal mileage, added weight and want the added horsepower, then Challenger SRT8 might be your cup of tea.

Point is, these cars all offer a different experience depending on your wants. It is nice to have choices. I'd have one of each, if I had the space, moola and time to enjoy them all.

Hawkgfr · 09-02-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bleedingfordblu

i dont see how its a lot more car, the mach is quicker than the r/t. they have to get the SRT 8 to go against a mach

err....its about 600 pounds more car....

and stock for stock the rt and mach would be close...there are plenty of 14 second machs out there...

08-29-2008, 06:43 PM	#26
Madmax305 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Posts: 1,081	Re: Drove the New Challenger.... and its official.... For those of you who have bashed this car and have not seen or been in one, Ford takes a back seat to the Fit and Finish of this car. The quality and craftsmanship is excellent. This car even comes with side curtain air bags. Jay Leno praised the new Challenger and called his old classic Hemi Challenger a bucket of crap compared to the new ones. Jay's the man, he ought to know.... __________________ MMR-950 5.0 STROKER PORT/POLISH-FRPP RACING CAMS KB 2.1 15LBS 570RWHP 550RWTQ (SAE) LDC COOLING MOD, DAVIS WP, 8-RIB BELT TKO 600 .82OD 3.55 GEARS EATON POSI/31 SPLINE AXLES COBRA TANK/PUMPS, SCT-2800 MAF, BAP 60LB INJ, FORE FUEL RAILS, -8AN FUEL LINE BASSANI HEADERS/X-PIPE CANTON 7QT PAN MM TUBULAR K-MEMBER/PANHARD BAR ALUMINUM D.S./FLYWHEEL BILSTEIN SPORT VALVE COILOVERS 4-PISTON BREMBO CALIPERS/ROTORS 18X9/18X10 CHROME BULLITS/NITTO DR'S 2001 COBRA FRONT COVER RET Tune

08-29-2008, 06:49 PM	#27
305HP Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Penn. Posts: 390	Re: Drove the New Challenger.... and its official.... STR has stated the manual will run "similar times" as the auto. __________________ Mach1 - manual 90MM LMAF, PHP intake spacer, BBK catted X, Borla Stinger cat-back, March crank pulley, CobraR PS/alt/WP pulleys, FRPP 4.10, JLT RAI, SCT

08-30-2008, 11:10 AM	#28
Bert5.0 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: wichita, ks Posts: 7	Re: Drove the New Challenger.... and its official.... You thought a Challenger is supposed to be a sports car? People think everything is a sports car these days. __________________ http://www.campaignforliberty.com

08-30-2008, 12:13 PM	#32
Madmax305 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Posts: 1,081	Re: Drove the New Challenger.... and its official.... Guys, do you really think anybody that will buy these cars are going to keep them stock? I don't think so... It will take more HP to get these things rolling, but you are also working with a 5.7 that responds well to JUST basic mods. This motor responds to bolt on's like the Chevy LS1. Now Imagine a head/cam/intake/exhaust swap for starters, and if that's not enough, you always have power adders. I've said it before, this is not a bad car for a DD, heck most DD are toyota's, mini vans and nissans. Mine should be at the dealership in December. Then let the mods begin with 20" Classic Torq thrust II, Classic Trans Am hood and the Classic side decal kit for starters. The motor mods will come later.... I can't wait, I feel like a kid in a candy store..... __________________ MMR-950 5.0 STROKER PORT/POLISH-FRPP RACING CAMS KB 2.1 15LBS 570RWHP 550RWTQ (SAE) LDC COOLING MOD, DAVIS WP, 8-RIB BELT TKO 600 .82OD 3.55 GEARS EATON POSI/31 SPLINE AXLES COBRA TANK/PUMPS, SCT-2800 MAF, BAP 60LB INJ, FORE FUEL RAILS, -8AN FUEL LINE BASSANI HEADERS/X-PIPE CANTON 7QT PAN MM TUBULAR K-MEMBER/PANHARD BAR ALUMINUM D.S./FLYWHEEL BILSTEIN SPORT VALVE COILOVERS 4-PISTON BREMBO CALIPERS/ROTORS 18X9/18X10 CHROME BULLITS/NITTO DR'S 2001 COBRA FRONT COVER RET Tune

08-30-2008, 06:57 PM	#35
yosvany Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: miami Posts: 130	looks very nice really nice, but a 1 inch drop wouldn't hurt it either. Attached Thumbnails

08-30-2008, 08:07 PM	#36
3150Mach1 Love my Mach Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 13,678	Re: looks very nice Nope. Not my cup of tea. __________________ 2003 slowmatic 11.105@117mph w/125 shot of Nitrous best to date Kooks LTsw/OR X, elect cutouts, JLT RAI w/C&L 85 MAH,1" Spacer,PP Lower intake,Accufab TB,160 T-stat,EF Cooling Mod,NX Kit,Mez Electric Water pump,SLP Linelock,FRPP 4.10s-Alum Dif Cover-Alum Driveshaft & SL, Steeda Bumpsteer,MM Alum rack bushings,Deep Alum Tranny pan,Predator,Steeda AUCAs,MM ALCAs, Dspecs,MM CC plates & FLSFCs,MRT Guage cluster,AEM WB,MRT hood struts,Seq TLs, carbon fiber hood/trunk/Cobra wing,220 amp alt

08-30-2008, 08:31 PM	#37
birdman941 Torque wins! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 13,167	Re: looks very nice They look ok, but they are even heavier than an S197. __________________ The ORIGINAL Project R build thread is back ! 5.4 32V NA Streetable 404/387 26.56 MPG "I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders" Ted Nugent "A big engine hardly working is more efficient than a little engine screaming its head off" Jay Leno

08-30-2008, 10:31 PM	#41
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08-31-2008, 02:30 PM	#44
JohnHow11 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 355	Re: Drove the New Challenger.... and its official.... .... way to pick apart my words... The reason I said its the end of the "SPORTS" car era is every new car that seams to come out seams to be sacrificing power and performance for safety.... Want examples ??? 08 + Mitsubishin Evo 08+ Subura WRX STI 08 + Challenger 09 + Camaro I know it sounds dumb but I was a big fan of both the evo and sti growing up, and maybe its just me but to release a NEW verson of a sports car and have it perform almost 1 second slower in the 1/4 mile is absoute garbage.

09-01-2008, 07:03 PM	#45
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09-01-2008, 07:06 PM	#46
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09-01-2008, 09:41 PM	#47
Hawkgfr Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: sc Posts: 602	Re: Drove the New Challenger.... and its official.... lol at the hate....Well where to start... The Machs were selling at premiums...for about 15 minutes when the 03's came out...in fact there are people here that paid over sticker...By the end of the 04 run...they were offering 4k rebates. The same for the new Mustang...now you can get leftover GT's for 19k.. Yes...the car is a pig...yes SOME dealers are selling the SRT for over msrp...blame the gt500. / ...Heck over sticker for a bullit...now ther's a steal. or how bout the Shelby gt 350...wow that is a legal steal. The r/t version does have the stick...and will sticker for about what the 03/04 Machs listed for...and as stated...it's a whole lot more car. oh and the Challeger is a PONY car....like the Stang and the Camaro.. __________________ Hawk Since April 07 Vette six speed 1Lt...traded GTO 05 torrid red/black m/6 GTO (1 of 641) 356 rwhp and 360 torque..(all Stock)....dynoed 2/28/06 by Carolina Auto Masters Traded 04 oxford white Mach 1, Five speed, IUP, purchased 04/15/04, built 10/29/03, 1 of 697 Some previous cars three 1965 GTO's, 76,85,01 TA 96 stang GT, 03 HEMI dodge ram

09-02-2008, 02:16 AM	#49
Shaker1 Living The Dream Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: IL Posts: 2,112	Re: Drove the New Challenger.... and its official.... Seriously tho, we are talking about cars with different appeals and perhaps purposes. Depends on what you are looking for. If it is a lightweight, fuel efficient, basic 1/4 miler then the Mach is hard to beat. If it is all out power and cheap easy modding ability, then the GT500 wins hands down. If you are willing to trade some performance for comfort and a nice ride and decent retro looks, then the Challenger R/T might fit the bill. And if you don't mind the dismal mileage, added weight and want the added horsepower, then Challenger SRT8 might be your cup of tea. Point is, these cars all offer a different experience depending on your wants. It is nice to have choices. I'd have one of each, if I had the space, moola and time to enjoy them all. __________________ 2008 GT500 Alloy W/ Silver JLT/EVO tune BMR LCAs Last edited by Shaker1; 09-02-2008 at 06:05 AM.

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