Long Tube headers - Page 3 - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

Mach1Marauder · 04-29-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWaterSkier

I assume you mean shop. On our cars, the midpipe contains the cats, if you modify a midpipe for our cars without cats for use on US highways, it's illegal. I suppose the shop could argue that they just welded some flanges on a mid-pipe and did not know how it would be used (off road only for example), but I don't know how far they would get with that argument. I can't imagine a reputable shop would take the risk, can you?

My argument really is that with the current high flow cats that are available, why take the risk at all?

PLEASE reread my question!

Mach1Marauder · 04-29-2009, 11:39 PM

key word highlighted fo da visually impaired!

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Wow..............what a post.

Tell me how a shop can get in trouble for modifying a catless midpipe?

acreature · 04-30-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

key word highlighted fo da visually impaired!

I am not saying there arent any shops that dont work on modified exhausts, but it is illegal for a shop to work on a street legal vehicle that has had the cats removed. The shop cannot do so unless the cats are defective, or the cats/car has over 80k in miles or 8 years of age on the car.

Believe me, I tried to get cats put on my car, and they wouldn't touch it. This shop got his balls busted by the feds for working on O/R exhausts and simply refused to touch my mach. They said in order for them to do anything to the exhaust, legally they would have to put it back to stock because of the low mileage and relative age of the car.

I wasn't going to pay for a new stock exhaust. If it ever becomes an issue, I can always fall back on the dealer who sold me the inspected car with no cats.

Mach1Marauder · 04-30-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Aneurism

I am not saying there arent any shops that dont work on modified exhausts, but it is illegal for a shop to work on a street legal vehicle that has had the cats removed. The shop cannot do so unless the cats are defective, or the cats/car has over 80k in miles or 8 years of age on the car.

Believe me, I tried to get cats put on my car, and they wouldn't touch it. This shop got his balls busted by the feds for working on O/R exhausts and simply refused to touch my mach. They said in order for them to do anything to the exhaust, legally they would have to put it back to stock because of the low mileage and relative age of the car.

I wasn't going to pay for a new stock exhaust. If it ever becomes an issue, I can always fall back on the dealer who sold me the inspected car with no cats.

WHo in the heck told ya that???
You guys have some serious misconceptions. If what you say is true, then the Feds would raid and/or outlaw the exhaust mfg from making catless off road pipes.
It IS illegal for a shop to REMOVE cats from a catted mid-pipe, but that's NOT what we have been talking about.

acreature · 04-30-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

WHo in the heck told ya that???
You guys have some serious misconceptions. If what you say is true, then the Feds would raid and/or outlaw the exhaust mfg from making catless off road pipes.
It IS illegal for a shop to REMOVE cats from a catted mid-pipe, but that's NOT what we have been talking about.

The way it was explained to me was it was illegal for the shop to work on a modified exhaust (catless) also. If the car was less than 8 yrs old and had less than 80k miles on it.

Think about it Bill, why would a shop turn money down? I am in no way saying shops don't do it, but this one wouldn't. Says he used to a lot until he got his *** handed to him with the 10k fine. Me thinks the Feds could do a lot with all of the laws on the books, but dont unless pushed/pressured to do so. Still one of those laws that can bite the unexpecting in the arse though.

Shane@TM · 04-30-2009, 01:45 AM

wont they do it if you just take the mid pipe in hand and if they ask tell them its for a track car?

acreature · 04-30-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane@TM

wont they do it if you just take the mid pipe in hand and if they ask tell them its for a track car?

More than likely, yuppers.

DOK · 04-30-2009, 12:25 PM

I don't understand why most people on here take their cars to shops just for exhaust work, it's not hard, and I think it feels pretty darn good when you do mods on your own, and save a ton of money. Might be a pain sometimes, but it's worth it in the long run. Isn't taking your car to a shop taking some of the fun out of it????

2k4mach · 04-30-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DOK

I don't understand why most people on here take their cars to shops just for exhaust work, it's not hard, and I think it feels pretty darn good when you do mods on your own, and save a ton of money. Might be a pain sometimes, but it's worth it in the long run. Isn't taking your car to a shop taking some of the fun out of it????

depends on what your having done...........exhaust work yeah ill do it myself, but lets say a motor build, etc. it just depends, my mach is being built at PSR because i have neither the want or the time to do it myself. i have my vette and viper that are taking my time so doing a build on the mach was outta the question in my garage and the shops around here never impressed me so out to phx the car went.

mach1metalhead · 04-30-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DOK

I don't understand why most people on here take their cars to shops just for exhaust work, it's not hard, and I think it feels pretty darn good when you do mods on your own, and save a ton of money. Might be a pain sometimes, but it's worth it in the long run. Isn't taking your car to a shop taking some of the fun out of it????

alright then god of exhaust mods...

how do i adapt my 2.5" inlet on my Prochamber to the 3" collectors on the Kooks longtubes?

2k4mach · 04-30-2009, 01:32 PM

what mods do you have that warrant running a header that has a 3" collector?

mach1metalhead · 04-30-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 2k4mach

what mods do you have that warrant running a header that has a 3" collector?

i don't, however i can't find the 2.5" collector Kooks anywhere... do you know someone/somewhere that has them in stock?

2k4mach · 04-30-2009, 01:53 PM

PSR has them and if they dont they can get them..............
any shop that carries Kooks can get the 1 5/8's with 2.5" collectors and if they dont have them in stock im sure they can get them drop shipped to you straight from kooks.

mach1metalhead · 04-30-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 2k4mach

PSR has them and if they dont they can get them..............
any shop that carries Kooks can get the 1 5/8's with 2.5" collectors and if they dont have them in stock im sure they can get them drop shipped to you straight from kooks.

sounds good... but then if i get the 2.5" collectors, do i need to change anything on the prochamber? or do the angles on the inlet side of the prochamber not line up with the collectors on the headers?

2k4mach · 04-30-2009, 02:23 PM

your gonna have to mod the mid pipe...........every header manufactor is different which is why most offer there own mid pipe to go with there headers. i dunno how close or how far off yours is gonna be as ive never done that combo.

mach1metalhead · 04-30-2009, 02:26 PM

****... well, as sad as this makes me, how does the Kooks mid (be it h or x) sound with Stingers?

2k4mach · 04-30-2009, 02:41 PM

it sounds good, but i think the best was M1M's kooks with magnapacks that was killer. real subtle when he was just cruising around till you mashed the go pedal then it sounded so dam killer.

mach1metalhead · 04-30-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 2k4mach

it sounds good, but i think the best was M1M's kooks with magnapacks that was killer. real subtle when he was just cruising around till you mashed the go pedal then it sounded so dam killer.

is the mid removable if i think i can get the prochamber in there?

2k4mach · 04-30-2009, 02:44 PM

yup its the same as stock setup. ball and socket flanges on the header connection and muffler connection so what is it 8 bolts and its off.

Mach1Marauder · 04-30-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mach1metalhead

****... well, as sad as this makes me, how does the Kooks mid (be it h or x) sound with Stingers?

Kooks long tubes, Kooks X-pipe to Magnapacks with turn downs

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Spenser · 05-01-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

I'm afraid to answer any more questions in the chance of being interpreted as being an ***.

Uhhhh.....are my eyes deceiving me? Did he really type that?

Mach1Marauder · 05-01-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Spenser

Uhhhh.....are my eyes deceiving me? Did he really type that?

Hush Spence!

BIG4CAM · 05-24-2009, 09:18 PM

I just installed some 1 5/8 Pace Setter headers. I know they are shitty quality and all, but they cost 175 new and came with a matching X pipe. I had no clearance issues other than steering shaft. I did have to open up the port flange slightly tho. Im happy with the 175 Ebay specials, no leaks at all

04-30-2009, 01:45 AM	#56
Shane@TM Toledo Mustangs Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: toledo, ohio Posts: 1,007	Re: Long Tube headers wont they do it if you just take the mid pipe in hand and if they ask tell them its for a track car? __________________ Toledo Mustang Club 04 Oxford White Mach 1 "The more you mod it, the more it breaks" CRT PERFORMANCE TUNED

04-30-2009, 12:25 PM	#58
DOK Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: LaPorte, IN Posts: 290	Re: Long Tube headers I don't understand why most people on here take their cars to shops just for exhaust work, it's not hard, and I think it feels pretty darn good when you do mods on your own, and save a ton of money. Might be a pain sometimes, but it's worth it in the long run. Isn't taking your car to a shop taking some of the fun out of it???? __________________ MGW Short Shifter MM LCA's MM firewall adjuster MM Clutch quadrant Mac O/R Prochamber Bassani Cat-back FRPP Girdle JLT RAI FRPP Alum. Driveshaft 1/2" intake spacer 18" Mach Wheels Mach 460 delete SCT X3 Brenspeed tune 4.10's soon hopefully along with the 31-spline conversion when funds available.

04-30-2009, 01:32 PM	#61
2k4mach z06 owner Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Braunsfuls, TX Posts: 17,865	Re: Long Tube headers what mods do you have that warrant running a header that has a 3" collector? __________________ Are You Ready To Die? www.savethetatas.com No venti is twenty... yeah. Large is large. In fact tall is large and grande is Spanish for large. Venti is the only one that doesn't mean large. It's also the only one that's italian. Congratulations you're stupid in three languages.

04-30-2009, 01:53 PM	#63
2k4mach z06 owner Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Braunsfuls, TX Posts: 17,865	Re: Long Tube headers PSR has them and if they dont they can get them.............. any shop that carries Kooks can get the 1 5/8's with 2.5" collectors and if they dont have them in stock im sure they can get them drop shipped to you straight from kooks. __________________ Are You Ready To Die? www.savethetatas.com No venti is twenty... yeah. Large is large. In fact tall is large and grande is Spanish for large. Venti is the only one that doesn't mean large. It's also the only one that's italian. Congratulations you're stupid in three languages.

04-30-2009, 02:23 PM	#65
2k4mach z06 owner Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Braunsfuls, TX Posts: 17,865	Re: Long Tube headers your gonna have to mod the mid pipe...........every header manufactor is different which is why most offer there own mid pipe to go with there headers. i dunno how close or how far off yours is gonna be as ive never done that combo. __________________ Are You Ready To Die? www.savethetatas.com No venti is twenty... yeah. Large is large. In fact tall is large and grande is Spanish for large. Venti is the only one that doesn't mean large. It's also the only one that's italian. Congratulations you're stupid in three languages.

04-30-2009, 02:26 PM	#66
mach1metalhead Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Longwood, FL Posts: 407	Re: Long Tube headers ****... well, as sad as this makes me, how does the Kooks mid (be it h or x) sound with Stingers? __________________ Respect. Unite. Support. That goes for music scenes. Car scenes. Whatever. Stop hating. If you don't like it, don't look at it or don't listen to it. Mods that matter... Eibach Sportline Springs, Eibach Anti-Roll Kit, SPC Caster/Camber Kit, Steeda G-Trac Bar, Steeda Rear Strut Tower Bar...

04-30-2009, 02:41 PM	#67
2k4mach z06 owner Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Braunsfuls, TX Posts: 17,865	Re: Long Tube headers it sounds good, but i think the best was M1M's kooks with magnapacks that was killer. real subtle when he was just cruising around till you mashed the go pedal then it sounded so dam killer. __________________ Are You Ready To Die? www.savethetatas.com No venti is twenty... yeah. Large is large. In fact tall is large and grande is Spanish for large. Venti is the only one that doesn't mean large. It's also the only one that's italian. Congratulations you're stupid in three languages.

04-30-2009, 02:44 PM	#69
2k4mach z06 owner Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Braunsfuls, TX Posts: 17,865	Re: Long Tube headers yup its the same as stock setup. ball and socket flanges on the header connection and muffler connection so what is it 8 bolts and its off. __________________ Are You Ready To Die? www.savethetatas.com No venti is twenty... yeah. Large is large. In fact tall is large and grande is Spanish for large. Venti is the only one that doesn't mean large. It's also the only one that's italian. Congratulations you're stupid in three languages.

05-24-2009, 09:18 PM	#73
BIG4CAM Finally Bought One Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Returning Pop Bottles Posts: 469	Re: Long Tube headers I just installed some 1 5/8 Pace Setter headers. I know they are shitty quality and all, but they cost 175 new and came with a matching X pipe. I had no clearance issues other than steering shaft. I did have to open up the port flange slightly tho. Im happy with the 175 Ebay specials, no leaks at all __________________ 2003 Mach 1 32v DOHC Tremec TKO 600 Mods: Some, but nobody really cares. Best ET: 12.28@112.2 1.760 60ft Best ET street tire: 12.89@110 1997 Mustang GT 4r70w 232rwhp/287tq 2001 P.I. motor swap

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