Fuel Pump - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

1WiCKEDMach · 03-22-2005, 01:52 AM

Here is a chart that i found with the results from a fuel pump flow test. I thought this would be helpful for all of you that are upgrading pumps for power adders.

B4THUNDER · 03-22-2005, 10:11 AM

My freind hate's BAP...sid they made his pump fail after awhile....anyone else experience this? Thanks for the great chart!

1WiCKEDMach · 03-22-2005, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by B4THUNDER

My freind hate's BAP...sid they made his pump fail after awhile....anyone else experience this? Thanks for the great chart!

I dont like Boost a Pumps because they make it harder to diagnose fuel problems. If your in tank fuel pump dies the BAP will still pull fuel threw the stock pump and your car will run. This could cause you to run lean when you hit WOT.

RightTime · 03-22-2005, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 1WiCKEDMach

I dont like Boost a Pumps because they make it harder to diagnose fuel problems. If your in tank fuel pump dies the BAP will still pull fuel threw the stock pump and your car will run. This could cause you to run lean when you hit WOT.

I'm gonna raise a flag here

Boost a pump is a step up transformer that raises the voltage to the pump. If the intank fails electrically or mechanically how would the BAP pull fuel through it?

1WiCKEDMach · 03-22-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RightTime

I'm gonna raise a flag here

Boost a pump is a step up transformer that raises the voltage to the pump. If the intank fails electrically or mechanically how would the BAP pull fuel through it?

My bro had a T Rex pump in his blown 5.0, his in tank pump went out and the Trex allowed the car to run still. Once the car hit WOT he went lean and blew his head gasket. we couldnt figure out the problem, at first we thought it was his injectors. Then we thought maybe his fuelpressure reg, and we finnaly figured out it was his pump. We ended up just putting a biger pump on the car, and ditching the T-rex.

rcodemach1 · 10-13-2005, 11:15 PM

Ok, 7 months later:
An inline pump added to the system is not the same as a BAP.

SickBlackMach · 10-16-2005, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rcodemach1

Ok, 7 months later:
An inline pump added to the system is not the same as a BAP.

PREACH!
upping a systems normal operating voltage range can cause havoc... stock stuff is like 12vdc +/-2 I believe...

rcodemach1 · 10-16-2005, 02:27 AM

Huh? Preach? Yeah, I do that sometimes I guess.

BAPs don't cause problems that I've experienced or heard about.

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Originally Posted by SickBlackMach

PREACH!
upping a systems normal operating voltage range can cause havoc... stock stuff is like 12vdc +/-2 I believe...

SickBlackMach · 10-16-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rcodemach1

Huh? Preach? Yeah, I do that sometimes I guess.

BAPs don't cause problems that I've experienced or heard about.

I've heard of a couple of duders complaining that it burnt out their pumps.

my point is that if somethings made to operate at 14vdc max, and you push it up to 17vdc or higher just to get more flow out of the fuel pump... its gonna cut the life expectancy short by alot.

what else do you preach about? :p

Frankie · 10-30-2005, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SickBlackMach

I've heard of a couple of duders complaining that it burnt out their pumps.

my point is that if somethings made to operate at 14vdc max, and you push it up to 17vdc or higher just to get more flow out of the fuel pump... its gonna cut the life expectancy short by alot.

what else do you preach about? :p

Gotta agree on this one. Regardless of what people's experiences have been, A BAP is a band aid. Put another way: I just ordered a Procharger 8# kit and no way in hell am I gonna rely on a boost a pump as a long term solution. .02

BTW: Thanks for the chart Wicked, It saved me alot of hassle.

BONESTOCK · 02-05-2006, 06:31 PM

Oh man.

Why is it that so many people use the KB BAP setup. It can't be that bad.

birdman941 · 02-05-2006, 06:45 PM

I would stick with the factory stuff, so you aren't messing with voltage.

BONESTOCK · 02-05-2006, 07:01 PM

It seems that the wire upgrade is a simple fix for the 17 volts.
I'm deffinatly going with the BAP when it comes down to it.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...85#post3164685

rcodemach1 · 02-05-2006, 11:54 PM

Check out the writeup on Kenne Bell's site. When the engine is running the voltage is about 14v. Three extra volts or so is not a big jump from that, and is only increased when you are under boost. Or you can wire it to run all the time. I set mine to run constant @ 1/2 way up on the dial, and close to a full increase at the track. Didn't have a problem, and will consider doing it on the Mach someday.

Another thing, it's both current and voltage driving that pump. And the current is what taxes (heats) the wiring and the windings in the motor. If you run more voltage the pump will use less current for a given output. So it seems the slightly higher voltage could be actually easier on the pump...

B4THUNDER · 03-13-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by B4THUNDER

My freind hate's BAP...sid they made his pump fail after awhile....anyone else experience this? Thanks for the great chart!

I did alot more research....I'm using a BAP...people will say all sorts of stuff, this seems cost effective especially since (like Bonestock said) KB uses them with their Cobra Kits...thats good enough for me...instead of hearsay.

(to myself)

Scott McClure · 03-16-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by B4THUNDER

I did alot more research....I'm using a BAP...people will say all sorts of stuff, this seems cost effective especially since (like Bonestock said) KB uses them with their Cobra Kits...thats good enough for me...instead of hearsay.

(to myself)

If wired correctly the BAP is fine for most people.

dontmockthemach · 12-18-2006, 01:00 PM

So what kind of fuel setup would needed at 450 hp. Say it is through cams and 100 shot of nitro booze(with most all other boltons)

DarkShadow · 12-19-2006, 10:12 AM

Yeah, my buddy advised against the BAP as well. I ordered the cobra tank and pump through him and his dealership. Stock set up and works great. That's why I am partial to factory performance parts. All the research has already been done. Gives added peace of mind.

64valves · 02-13-2007, 07:13 PM

any body that uses the bap for extended periods of time upgrade the guage of wiring.that seems to cure most of the bap horror stories ive heard about.

noride · 04-20-2009, 07:43 AM

i posted about a bap yesterday and it didnt sound good.what do you guys think about running a 1 to 3 gallon tank fuel system to just run my n2o .right now the pump is maxed out with only a 100 shot but if i ran the wet kit by its self with 116 oct the cost is not that much and down the road i can run 2 small kits

mach128 · 07-05-2009, 10:42 PM

so is the focus fuel pump good enough fuel pump upgrade for a s/c. or is the gt 40 supercar better. please pm me and let me know.

cammedmach · 08-16-2009, 10:22 PM

x2..i just put a p1sc on my 03 mach and have dual focus pumps i'm going to be using. Also is there any modifying that needs to be done in order to use the dual pumps with factory tank and harness?

03-22-2005, 01:52 AM	#1
1WiCKEDMach Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Union City Ca Posts: 860	Fuel Pump Here is a chart that i found with the results from a fuel pump flow test. I thought this would be helpful for all of you that are upgrading pumps for power adders. Attached Thumbnails __________________ 2003 Torch Red Mach 1, K&N, 99 cobra intake, Magnaflows, MRT Black Tips, UPR quadrant & Firewall adjuster, tokico Illuminas H&R Supersports MM panhard rod, CCplates, Hawk Pads, Slotted/Drilled Rotors, SLP Xpipe, 4.10s, 31spline Moser axles, 31spline traction Lock, Black DD 18x9&10x10 FR500 Wheels, Bridgestone Pole Position Tires. 12.9@105mph 1.88 60ftVid of 12.9 Pass 308.8rwhp 323rwtq SAE Other Stangs: 1992 Lx 5.0 Vert 1966 Mustang

03-22-2005, 10:11 AM	#2
B4THUNDER God LUVS Boost!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: K-Town, Germany Posts: 797	Re: Fuel Pump My freind hate's BAP...sid they made his pump fail after awhile....anyone else experience this? Thanks for the great chart! __________________ http://www.proturbokits.com/store/sc...?idproduct=127 38mm Tail wastegate SCT tune www.rwtd.com Cobra pumps/tank BBK O/R x-pipe Granatelli U/L control arms Moser axles Auburn Diff Mac girdle 3.55 Pro-5.0 Shifter Pro Stars MT DR. MMR 5.0 Stroker Street Mod 950 MMR oil pump MMR Pro Trans 900 (built TKO 600) MMR stage 2 turbo cams Lakewood bellhousing -8AN fuel lines CPR fuel rails BAP 60lb inj DFX clutch Fidanza Flywheel Chicago cooling mod

10-13-2005, 11:15 PM	#6
rcodemach1 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: san diego, ca Posts: 1,073	Re: Fuel Pump Ok, 7 months later: An inline pump added to the system is not the same as a BAP. __________________ '03 Mach: 5-spd, Oxford White '98 GT: 351w, C4, drag car, 11.51 @ 121

02-05-2006, 06:31 PM	#11
BONESTOCK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MA Posts: 1,685	Re: Fuel Pump Oh man. Why is it that so many people use the KB BAP setup. It can't be that bad. __________________ 2004 Torch Red Mach 1 born on 03/26/04purchased on 07/14/04 465rwhp 409rwtq Let's go for a ride in my car! Procharged Dyno vid!

02-05-2006, 06:45 PM	#12
birdman941 5.4 32V NA Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 11,168	Re: Fuel Pump I would stick with the factory stuff, so you aren't messing with voltage. __________________ Mach 1 sold. Wholesale pricing to M1R Members 1-888-FORD-SVT ext. 275 I can see November from my house

02-05-2006, 07:01 PM	#13
BONESTOCK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MA Posts: 1,685	Re: Fuel Pump It seems that the wire upgrade is a simple fix for the 17 volts. I'm deffinatly going with the BAP when it comes down to it. http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...85#post3164685 __________________ 2004 Torch Red Mach 1 born on 03/26/04purchased on 07/14/04 465rwhp 409rwtq Let's go for a ride in my car! Procharged Dyno vid!

02-05-2006, 11:54 PM	#14
rcodemach1 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: san diego, ca Posts: 1,073	Re: Fuel Pump Check out the writeup on Kenne Bell's site. When the engine is running the voltage is about 14v. Three extra volts or so is not a big jump from that, and is only increased when you are under boost. Or you can wire it to run all the time. I set mine to run constant @ 1/2 way up on the dial, and close to a full increase at the track. Didn't have a problem, and will consider doing it on the Mach someday. Another thing, it's both current and voltage driving that pump. And the current is what taxes (heats) the wiring and the windings in the motor. If you run more voltage the pump will use less current for a given output. So it seems the slightly higher voltage could be actually easier on the pump... __________________ '03 Mach: 5-spd, Oxford White '98 GT: 351w, C4, drag car, 11.51 @ 121

12-18-2006, 01:00 PM	#17
dontmockthemach Black Pearls' Whinin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 765	Re: Fuel Pump So what kind of fuel setup would needed at 450 hp. Say it is through cams and 100 shot of nitro booze(with most all other boltons) __________________ "Take a look around you then a look way up to the sky. And when your deepest thoughts are broken, Keep on dreaming boy, cause when you stop dreamin its time to die." -Blind Melon *Procharged Black 03*

12-19-2006, 10:12 AM	#18
DarkShadow Oops...it's a GT500 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: MACHachusetts Posts: 908	Re: Fuel Pump Yeah, my buddy advised against the BAP as well. I ordered the cobra tank and pump through him and his dealership. Stock set up and works great. That's why I am partial to factory performance parts. All the research has already been done. Gives added peace of mind. __________________ 2007 GT500, black, stripe delete Traded: 03 DSG 5 Spd, Slightly Procharged!!!

02-13-2007, 07:13 PM	#19
64valves MachAddiction Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: here,there Posts: 476	Re: Fuel Pump any body that uses the bap for extended periods of time upgrade the guage of wiring.that seems to cure most of the bap horror stories ive heard about.

04-20-2009, 07:43 AM	#20
noride Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: pembroke pines Posts: 32	Re: Fuel Pump i posted about a bap yesterday and it didnt sound good.what do you guys think about running a 1 to 3 gallon tank fuel system to just run my n2o .right now the pump is maxed out with only a 100 shot but if i ran the wet kit by its self with 116 oct the cost is not that much and down the road i can run 2 small kits

07-05-2009, 10:42 PM	#21
mach128 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: H-town, TX Posts: 174	Re: Fuel Pump so is the focus fuel pump good enough fuel pump upgrade for a s/c. or is the gt 40 supercar better. please pm me and let me know.

08-16-2009, 10:22 PM	#22
cammedmach Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: lafayette, in Posts: 16	Re: Fuel Pump x2..i just put a p1sc on my 03 mach and have dual focus pumps i'm going to be using. Also is there any modifying that needs to be done in order to use the dual pumps with factory tank and harness?

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