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[02mach1]

Noise bleed seats.

[24kmach]

Originally Posted by 02mach1

Noise bleed seats.

Next year I will have better seats than looking out the window of this.

[gvervoren]

That's a cool pic from the sky!!!

[G]

Nice win tonight for Jeff Burton. :HOPPY:

Great job by JJ to take out so many cars.

[falcongtho3]

Originally Posted by G

Great job by JJ to take out so many cars.

Yeah...good job. Whatta dolt! Somebody needs to get him more quarters so he can get more seat time in fron tof the grocery store and actually learn how to drive. It's not like this isn't his home track, he should be able to do better than this. Hopefully he'll drive the same way tonight, just with no one around to get slammed by his mistake...except maybe Stewrat and Gordon to share in his 'good fortune'.

[G]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

Yeah...good job. Whatta dolt! Somebody needs to get him more quarters so he can get more seat time in fron tof the grocery store and actually learn how to drive. It's not like this isn't his home track, he should be able to do better than this. Hopefully he'll drive the same way tonight, just with no one around to get slammed by his mistake...except maybe Stewrat and Gordon to share in his 'good fortune'.

Sounds like you're as big of a JJ fan as I am.

[falcongtho3]

Maybe 'bigger'...I let you know after his antics tonight...

[G]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

Maybe 'bigger'...I let you know after his antics tonight...

So far he's doing ok. He needs to wreck solo tonight if he's gonna do it at all.

[ylopony]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

. Hopefully he'll drive the same way tonight, just with no one around to get slammed by his mistake...except maybe Stewrat and Gordon to share in his 'good fortune'.

It's gotta be tough to come to the realization that Gordon is one of the all time greats in Nascar. Two in a row and now has his sights on Allison, Waltrip, and Yarborough ahead of him in the all time win totals. " Gordon has a realistic chance to reach Pearson for #2 all time. Nobody will ever beat the best of all time(sorry it's not Earnhardt Sr. Or Jr.) Richard Petty.


#24

[G]

Originally Posted by ylopony

It's gotta be tough to come to the realization that Gordon is one of the all time greats in Nascar. Two in a row and now has his sights on Allison, Waltrip, and Yarborough ahead of him in the all time win totals. " Gordon has a realistic chance to reach Pearson for #2 all time. Nobody will ever beat the best of all time(sorry it's not Earnhardt Sr. Or Jr.) Richard Petty.


#24

I don't think "wins" is the only measure of "greatness". I'm not even sure the best made it into Cup.

He did a great job tonight.

[falcongtho3]

Originally Posted by ylopony

It's gotta be tough to come to the realization that Gordon is one of the all time greats in Nascar. Two in a row and now has his sights on Allison, Waltrip, and Yarborough ahead of him in the all time win totals. " Gordon has a realistic chance to reach Pearson for #2 all time. Nobody will ever beat the best of all time(sorry it's not Earnhardt Sr. Or Jr.) Richard Petty.


#24

Two in a row makes you great? Not so tough to realize others have done that. He's still not that 'great' in my opinion. He can drive and he's with a team that has depth, but he shares something with his second place team 'mate' that just really rubs me the wrong way. I never cared for Earnhardt Sr., but I did respect him. I liked Petty, including his deserved respect. Elliott was easy to like, respect, and follow with his sucess. It's easy to jump on the winners bandwagon, it's not so easy to carry the banner for your favorite (team, driver, or brand) when things don't go your way.

[gvervoren]

Like it or not, JJ and JG are probably the the best drivers that are in the Nextel Cup series right now.

[ylopony]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

Two in a row makes you great? Not so tough to realize others have done that. He's still not that 'great' in my opinion. He can drive and he's with a team that has depth, but he shares something with his second place team 'mate' that just really rubs me the wrong way. I never cared for Earnhardt Sr., but I did respect him. I liked Petty, including his deserved respect. Elliott was easy to like, respect, and follow with his sucess. It's easy to jump on the winners bandwagon, it's not so easy to carry the banner for your favorite (team, driver, or brand) when things don't go your way.

Does winning two in a row make a driver great. No it don't. But when you have 81 career wins and 4 cup championships and looking at 5 that makes you great. And yes a great team is important, but you still have to drive the car.I was never a huge fan of Earnhardt Sr. either but he was great. I was not a big Darrell Waltrip fan but he was a great driver.

As for jumping on bandwagons, trust me I am no jump on the band wagon fan of Jeff Gordon. I've been a fan of his for years. Ernie Irvin and Gordon are my favorite drivers.

As for carrying a team banner in good or bad. My friend, you are singing to the choir. I grew up and still live in the Cleveland area. I have been a lifetime Indians fan. I remember going to games with less than 2,000 in attendance and watching through 100 loss seasons.

I have been a lifetime Browns fans. I had my heart ripped out when Modell left for Baltimore. I have watched dismal teams in the 70's. I have watched and cheered for this team as lousy as they have been since they came back. In fact, I'm about ready to head out the door to go to the Browns-Dolphins game here shortly.

I have been a lifetime fan of the Cavaliers. I have watched their abismal years up to the 80's with Daugherty, Price, Nance, and Hotrod. Then the return to bottom dwellers prior to Lebron James.

I appreciate that you do not like or cheer for Gordon. Your opinion of Gordon is your choice. I hate the Steelers. However, they are a great team. I hate the Redsox(which has caused a real problem for me now that they are part of Roush)but they are still a great team.

[falcongtho3]

I can appreciate all of your points, and very much can relate to those teams you've been true to without kind of positive return. It does look like your Indians could bring some joy to a club who only victories have been on the big screen in 'Major League' (let's forget the sequel, if we may). At least you don't have to try to put up with anything close to the Saints (look for paper bags on the heads of fans to make a return in the coming weeks), a team which could almost do no wrong last year, and their only jewel in a long suffering team history, and couldn't buy a win this year.
So many of the Gordon/Johnson fans that I have to encounter (especially at work) probably couldn't spell NASCAR five years ago, so you can see where the bandwagon thing comes from.
At least Cleveland has sometype of basketball program that has some recognition, we've had the Jazz (now in Utah), and now the Hornets.
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[Azure Blurr]

Originally Posted by gvervoren

Like it or not, JJ and JG are members of one of the greatest teams that is in the Nextel Cup series right now.

Fixed! Drivers make up a small percentage of a great race team!

[G]

Originally Posted by Azure Blurr

Fixed! Drivers make up a small percentage of a great race team!

moving to that organization could make a bunch of guys "great".

[gvervoren]

Originally Posted by G

moving to that organization could make a bunch of guys "great".

Why isn't Casey Mears winning a lot then?. Granted he is a "good' driver but nothing to the caliber of JJ or JG. And it shows on the track. Casey has the exact same equipment as JJ and JG but he isn't winning no where near as much. Explain that please.

[G]

Originally Posted by gvervoren

Why isn't Casey Mears winning a lot then?. Granted he is a "good' driver but nothing to the caliber of JJ or JG. And it shows on the track. Casey has the exact same equipment as JJ and JG but he isn't winning no where near as much. Explain that please.

JJ and JG share the same facility, the 25 is over with the shrubs car.

Those 4 cars are not alike. We don't like admitting it but I have a cousin that worked on the 24/48. He now works for Delana Harvick.

[gvervoren]

But it's still the same engine builders and body guys. The cars should be pretty much the same. It's just how they set them up which a lot of the info comes from the drivers.

[Azure Blurr]

JJ & JG have talent but they have great teams. The other 2 yo-yos are just "test-beds" for the top two. IMHO...............

[machths]

Well I hate to inform you guys of this, but Jeff Gordon won most of his races and all of his championships BEFORE JJ and the 48 team came along. I'm sure that out of 10 identically built Hendricks motors, the two most powerful ones will most likely end up in Gordon's and Johnson's car. Why? Because they have demonstrated that they are the ones most likely to win. But, if you're on a track that you can't just mat the pedal and turn left (all of them except Talladega) it is driver skill, car setup and pit strategy that will have the biggest impact, not a 10-20 HP difference.

Gordon has consistently been the class of the field in most of the racing series he's been in, with the Busch series being one of his worst. Gordon has even stepped into an F1 car, what many feel is the absolute pinnacle of car design, and within 20 laps on a road course, was running lap times good enough for race qualification. Not too many professional drivers, worldwide, can say they've done that. He has accomplished some amazing feats in his career. He's won at Martinsville after his power steering failed in the first 1/3 of the race. We all know he's not a big, strong guy, yet he was able to man-handle that car on that track for over 300 laps and still win. He's also won at Martinsville after coming from 3 laps down. He is the road course king and now the restrictor-plate king. Everyone said that Ray Evernham made Gordon look as good as he did, and when Ray left Hendrick's we'd see that Gordon wasn't that good. Well, we're still waiting to see that happen. Not many drivers have much success when they become owner/drivers, yet Gordon is one and is still having success.

While I have the utmost respect for Richard Petty and think he is one of the greatest drivers, he was the first driver to basically be handed a "blank check" for his STP team in an era where corporate sponsorship was minimal and the competition wasn't nearly what it is today. Earnhardt Sr. also spent the majority of his career in a time when NASCAR wasn't the economic, competitive powerhouse that it is now. It truly is ANYONE'S race on any given weekend (with the exception of Mikey Waltrip :LAUGH: ) The car's are far more identical now than they were then, also making it anyone's weekend at any given time. Pretty soon, Nextel Cup will look like IROC, which I find dull and boring. Personally, if you truly want to see which team builds the best car, then NASCAR should mandate that you choose 1 setup, and only one setup to run on every track on the schedule for an entire season. If you feel you do better on the short tracks, set the car up for those and then you'll run great there, and terrible on the superspeedways.

I can't stand Tony Stewart and feel that there is absolutely not a d@mn thing professional about him, but he can flatout drive a car! I'll give him that. I know, Jeff Gordon is gay and team Hendricks would make anyone look like a great driver and Gordon was handed a great team and never earned his success . I heard the same b.s. about Emmitt Smith.

"If Barry Sanders had an offensive line like the Dallas Cowboys he'd be the all-time leading rusher."
-Sore Loser Oct. 27, 2002

Yeah, yeah, yeah...blah, blah, blah. Ya'll don't want to give Gordon his props, fine, don't. Who is the greatest NASCAR driver of all time and why? Who is the best current NASCAR driver and why? I'll tell you this though, the sooner you accept the fact that Gordon is one of the best driver's out there, the sooner it won't sting nearly as bad whenever he wins. Think about that.

[03mach69mach]

Originally Posted by machths

Well I hate to inform you guys of this, but Jeff Gordon won most of his races and all of his championships BEFORE JJ and the 48 team came along. I'm sure that out of 10 identically built Hendricks motors, the two most powerful ones will most likely end up in Gordon's and Johnson's car. Why? Because they have demonstrated that they are the ones most likely to win. But, if you're on a track that you can't just mat the pedal and turn left (all of them except Talladega) it is driver skill, car setup and pit strategy that will have the biggest impact, not a 10-20 HP difference.

Gordon has consistently been the class of the field in most of the racing series he's been in, with the Busch series being one of his worst. Gordon has even stepped into an F1 car, what many feel is the absolute pinnacle of car design, and within 20 laps on a road course, was running lap times good enough for race qualification. Not too many professional drivers, worldwide, can say they've done that. He has accomplished some amazing feats in his career. He's won at Martinsville after his power steering failed in the first 1/3 of the race. We all know he's not a big, strong guy, yet he was able to man-handle that car on that track for over 300 laps and still win. He's also won at Martinsville after coming from 3 laps down. He is the road course king and now the restrictor-plate king. Everyone said that Ray Evernham made Gordon look as good as he did, and when Ray left Hendrick's we'd see that Gordon wasn't that good. Well, we're still waiting to see that happen. Not many drivers have much success when they become owner/drivers, yet Gordon is one and is still having success.

While I have the utmost respect for Richard Petty and think he is one of the greatest drivers, he was the first driver to basically be handed a "blank check" for his STP team in an era where corporate sponsorship was minimal and the competition wasn't nearly what it is today. Earnhardt Sr. also spent the majority of his career in a time when NASCAR wasn't the economic, competitive powerhouse that it is now. It truly is ANYONE'S race on any given weekend (with the exception of Mikey Waltrip :LAUGH: ) The car's are far more identical now than they were then, also making it anyone's weekend at any given time. Pretty soon, Nextel Cup will look like IROC, which I find dull and boring. Personally, if you truly want to see which team builds the best car, then NASCAR should mandate that you choose 1 setup, and only one setup to run on every track on the schedule for an entire season. If you feel you do better on the short tracks, set the car up for those and then you'll run great there, and terrible on the superspeedways.

I can't stand Tony Stewart and feel that there is absolutely not a d@mn thing professional about him, but he can flatout drive a car! I'll give him that. I know, Jeff Gordon is gay and team Hendricks would make anyone look like a great driver and Gordon was handed a great team and never earned his success . I heard the same b.s. about Emmitt Smith.

"If Barry Sanders had an offensive line like the Dallas Cowboys he'd be the all-time leading rusher."
-Sore Loser Oct. 27, 2002

Yeah, yeah, yeah...blah, blah, blah. Ya'll don't want to give Gordon his props, fine, don't. Who is the greatest NASCAR driver of all time and why? Who is the best current NASCAR driver and why? I'll tell you this though, the sooner you accept the fact that Gordon is one of the best driver's out there, the sooner it won't sting nearly as bad whenever he wins. Think about that.

He'll always be on the pole in my book

[Azure Blurr]

Put JG on the Petty team and lets see what he will do! I bet, with that teams recent history, it will have something to do with a wall!

Yes he is a good driver, but he is great because of the team that put him there.

[pic18]

Originally Posted by Azure Blurr

Put JG on the Petty team and lets see what he will do! I bet, with that teams recent history, it will have something to do with a wall!

Yes he is a good driver, but he is great because of the team that put him there.

Bobby was running Top 5 in Talladega all race up to near the end when he lost control. Bobby was running Top 10 all night in Charlotte until he pitted at the end and ended up finishing 12th.

Put Jeff in that car, and I'll say he may have made the Chase even if he came in 12th. Jeff as a driver is for sure worth some positions over a lot of guys.

Gordon is Talented and Hungry. Let's not forget that if the Chase was never developed, this would be his 6th Championship.

Next year will be interesting, because you know Earnhardt will get stuff equal to the 24 and 48. Hendrick knows that if he can give Junior a Championship, or several, he will be loved by the masses like Childress. We'll see what kind of driver Junior is next year.

[gvervoren]

Originally Posted by pic18

Bobby was running Top 5 in Talladega all race up to near the end when he lost control. Bobby was running Top 10 all night in Charlotte until he pitted at the end and ended up finishing 12th.

Put Jeff in that car, and I'll say he may have made the Chase even if he came in 12th. Jeff as a driver is for sure worth some positions over a lot of guys.

Gordon is Talented and Hungry. Let's not forget that if the Chase was never developed, this would be his 6th Championship.

Next year will be interesting, because you know Earnhardt will get stuff equal to the 24 and 48. Hendrick knows that if he can give Junior a Championship, or several, he will be loved by the masses like Childress. We'll see what kind of driver Junior is next year.

I agree, if you put JG or JJ in a Petty car, I bet that team would come to life. LaBonte ran great in a lot of races but just had bad luck ruin his day/