Mach 1 Motor + Bolt on = Not much HP?

[DSG03MACH1]

Someone mentioned on one of the threads that Mach 1 Motor dont respond well on bolt ons TRUE???

[bayrunner]

Bolt on vortec 8 lb boost. = 440 rwhp.

typical bolt ons...maybe 25 hp gains. Ford kind of maxed it out for us. well, thats why we bought them

[DSG03MACH1]

On 03/04 Cobras, couple of bolt ons it can go 450+ RWHP 430+ RWTQ

[DaddyStang]

On 03/04 Cobras, couple of bolt ons it can go 450+ RWHP 430+ RWTQ

with a very nice tune 450 rwhp still to me seems a bit excessive, not too sure about cobras though. can the cobra be tuned from 390 hp at the crank with a couple of bolt onds to get 450 rwhp out of them? some are tuning ours with bolt ons 320+ rwhp gimme the extra 8k that the cobra costs for "bolt ons" and i will be sitting 450+/430+ also

[the stallion]

I think that some of the guys on here will agree with me that the mach 1 motor responds great to the following bolt ons
1.) Exhaust (headers, mid-pipe, and catback)
2.)Gears (4.10-4.30)
3.)Cold Air Systems
4.)PHP intake spacer
5.)Predator/tuner/chip systems
6)Power adders=nitrous oxide, supercharger

-Dan

[2k4mach]

Originally posted by DaddyStang
with a very nice tune 450 rwhp still to me seems a bit excessive, not too sure about cobras though. can the cobra be tuned from 390 hp at the crank with a couple of bolt onds to get 450 rwhp out of them? some are tuning ours with bolt ons 320+ rwhp gimme the extra 8k that the cobra costs for "bolt ons" and i will be sitting 450+/430+ also

a pulley and a tune, cai, and exhaust will bring the cobra around 450ish

[DaddyStang]

wow thats pretty awesome.

[Shaker Dan]

Let us not forget the much like the Mach the Cobra is underated.

The Mach responds just fine to bolt ons. My favorite so far is the K&N CAI. Next was the Cat-back. I could not tell anything with the Xpipe and might have actually lost a little TQ. But that is not uncommon.

As far as the Cobra goes, anytime you have a SC or Turbo car you can make them much quicker with very simple mods, like pullys. Now as far as similiar mods creating similiar numbers I am not sure. I would have to imagine that a free flowing exhaust would help the Cobra a little more.

[04azuremach]

I've never dynoed my car, but my BBK Offroad X pipe gave me 4 and a half mph more in the 1/4 mile

[eldodroptop]

Is a 347 cid stroker motor considered a bolt on? If so a Mach should respond well to that....

[04azuremach]

Originally posted by eldodroptop
Is a 347 cid stroker motor considered a bolt on? If so a Mach should respond well to that....

My friend has a 347 stroker in his '92 Mustang GT... we run side by side... Only place he beats me is off the line and his best time at the track is only 1 tenth better than mine

[ponygt65]

Originally posted by bayrunner
Bolt on vortec 8 lb boost. = 440 rwhp.

typical bolt ons...maybe 25 hp gains. Ford kind of maxed it out for us. well, thats why we bought them

What do you consider typical???? I wouldn't say MAYBE 25 on bolt ons. I would say more than likely 25+.

Borla stinger catback = 20 HP 25TQ
K and N Drop in = 5 HP
Steeda pulleys = 12RWHP

THese are all advertised from the factory for a STOCK motor. That looks like a bit more than 25 HP, rear wheel or crank.

[DSGMach714]

Originally posted by ponygt65
What do you consider typical???? I wouldn't say MAYBE 25 on bolt ons. I would say more than likely 25+.

Borla stinger catback = 20 HP 25TQ
K and N Drop in = 5 HP
Steeda pulleys = 12RWHP

THese are all advertised from the factory for a STOCK motor. That looks like a bit more than 25 HP, rear wheel or crank.

Your numbers taken out of a magazine or real solid dyno tested numbers? Here is my breakdown

Catback = 5-10 HP
K&N = 1
Pulleys 5-8 RWHP

[lamach1]

I dynoed last wednesday on a mustang dyno and got 325 rwhp with bolt ons and tune. I expect that I will dyno at least 330 or 332 on a dynojet dyno. From an average baseline of 272 rwhp that is an increase of 60 rwhp or 70 fwhp. Not as good as a cobra, but still it's a very nice gain:THUMBSUP:

[Sam04]

Originally posted by DSG03MACH1
Someone mentioned on one of the threads that Mach 1 Motor dont respond well on bolt ons TRUE???

I disagree with that premise because I got a noticible improvement from my catback and I wasn't anticipating anything. The heads on the Mach are the best production heads Ford has made for the mod motors to date (excluding the 2000 Cobra R). Opening up the exhaust and cams will make significant improvements in power. Installing a blower on a 2V 4.6L will generally get you 75-100 RWHP with no other mods. The same blowers (at the same boost level) on the Mach 1 will net you about 150 RWHP with no other mods. Similarly, the motor will respond better to N/A mods than the 2V.

[Ralph Greene]

Originally posted by DSG03MACH1
Someone mentioned on one of the threads that Mach 1 Motor dont respond well on bolt ons TRUE???

As above have noted....it still responds very well to bolt ons, but maybe not as much as Mustangs in the past.

The tune is closer to "spot on" than tunes of the past. The air flow path in and exhaust ports out are better than cars of the past. But 2 1/4" mid pipe and exhaust is still borderline small for performance use in the 275-300 RW area.

Our trans has a wide ratio gear set with very low (3.38-1) first gear and coupled with 3.55 rear, has pretty good performance gearing for a stock street car. The .62 5th also keeps it EPA friendly.

But the usual simple performance mods and bolton's still add 5-10% in power, but car in stock form is still pretty good. New 05 Mustang with stock 2 1/2" exhaust system, 31 spline axles, and other engine enhancements, even tuned for 87, is even tougher to improve on, unless changing tune to 93 octane.

But don't worry....traditional hot rodding tricks still work.

[DSG Mach ONE]

Originally posted by 04azuremach
My friend has a 347 stroker in his '92 Mustang GT... we run side by side... Only place he beats me is off the line and his best time at the track is only 1 tenth better than mine

Not to flame or anything, but a good 347 should make about 380+rwhp and run about 118 mph depending on car and weight.

108 mph+ on your mach is pretty sweet for just an o/r x.. :THUMBSUP:

[Lonestar 7]

With my catback and Preadtor now added I am at 300 or very close. Hopefully soon will have some funds to dyno tune so I can dial the car in. Each bolt on as added more power and its made the More fun to drive.



Mach on!

[Sam04]

Originally posted by Ralph Greene
As above have noted....it still responds very well to bolt ons, but maybe not as much as Mustangs in the past.

The tune is closer to "spot on" than tunes of the past. The air flow path in and exhaust ports out are better than cars of the past. But 2 1/4" mid pipe and exhaust is still borderline small for performance use in the 275-300 RW area.

Our trans has a wide ratio gear set with very low (3.38-1) first gear and coupled with 3.55 rear, has pretty good performance gearing for a stock street car. The .62 5th also keeps it EPA friendly.

But the usual simple performance mods and bolton's still add 5-10% in power, but car in stock form is still pretty good. New 05 Mustang with stock 2 1/2" exhaust system, 31 spline axles, and other engine enhancements, even tuned for 87, is even tougher to improve on, unless changing tune to 93 octane.

But don't worry....traditional hot rodding tricks still work.

This I agree with. The 5.0 will respond much better to simple bolt ons than the Mach, but don't forget you are starting with a larger displacement motor that produces about 100 HP less than the Mach 1 motor. Both the Mach 1 and the 05 Mustang GT suffer from the law of diminishing returns because the factory has already applied the easy bolt ons. Even so, the Mach 1 has more potential than the GT.:THUMBSUP:

[Fosters]

Originally posted by ponygt65
What do you consider typical???? I wouldn't say MAYBE 25 on bolt ons. I would say more than likely 25+.

Borla stinger catback = 20 HP 25TQ
K and N Drop in = 5 HP
Steeda pulleys = 12RWHP

THese are all advertised from the factory for a STOCK motor. That looks like a bit more than 25 HP, rear wheel or crank.

holy crap, if you then add an offroad pipe, that's another 20 hp, and then a full cai, that's another 15, then an intake spacer, that's another 10, then headers, that's another 20, ****, you'll be killing vipers soon! let us know how it works out!


your numbers are crazy high... they're pretty much dead on to what DSGMach714 said.

what you shoulda said was:

long tubes: 20
offroad pipe: 10
catback 5-10
cai - 5-10
tune - 10-15

and those are your basic power adding bolt ons... gears and tires are probably the ones that will make the largest diffence at the track.

[white ghost]

well, what i've noticed so far concerning our cars is that unlike the cobra, when we put on the basic bolt ons our peak hp doesn't go up very much, but our low rpm acceration increases substantially, that is why our car get so much faster as the bolt-on's go in place b/c unless your on a built rearend with slicks and launching at 5500 rpms then your going to need that extra low end grunt to get the hauling *** process started , in fact imho our mach's are one of the best responding cars when it comes to mods, unless your factory supercharged, but N/a there's nothing else likes ours, except LS1's and that's cause they have almost 70 cid more than we do to start with and are one of the most "stuffed" motors on the market. appreciate it

[ponygt65]

Ok to answer questions for one member and one VERy immature member here.....


First, I said these were ADVERTISED numbers on a FACTORY motor. Please read my entire post.

Borla Ad.'s 15-20HP and 20-25TQ on the Stinger catback with a stock motor. Yes most catbacks give 10-15 HP. BUT like I said these are advertised numbers.

Steeda Dyno tested (claims) 12RWHP on a STOCK mach MOTOR. K and N will give you 1-3 RWHP, depending...it varies.

The computer will take a good 500-600 miles before it "registers" the mods. As stated on several aftermarket websites. Did you dyno within that time? Maybe that will make a diff. Some members have posted a change when dynoing right after the mods and waiting the suggested time.


MY whole point is that you can EASILY get 25 RWHP with bolt ons. so a MAYBE 25 HP was not a good reply to the question, IMHO.


Every car is different. Just like dynoing is different. I am using averages and advertising numbers.

Foster - Be as immature as you like. I think all of us here know that the track is what really matters. and of course, gears and traction make the most difference. Who is arguing that?

[white ghost]

dude noone was knocking you, or trying to infer any thing they were only making sure that you don't get your hope up that "all" machs are gonna make 20-25 rwhp with just a cat-back, some will and some will only make like 2 rwhp so it's the car that makes the finall numbers, so don't jump bad over other members trying to make sure that you know the truth, cause all of us are naive from time to time.

[EZMachN]

Originally posted by white ghost
dude noone was knocking you, or trying to infer any thing they were only making sure that you don't get your hope up that "all" machs are gonna make 20-25 rwhp with just a cat-back, some will and some will only make like 2 rwhp so it's the car that makes the finall numbers, so don't jump bad over other members trying to make sure that you know the truth, cause all of us are naive from time to time.

[04azuremach]

Originally posted by DSG Mach ONE
Not to flame or anything, but a good 347 should make about 380+rwhp and run about 118 mph depending on car and weight.

108 mph+ on your mach is pretty sweet for just an o/r x.. :THUMBSUP:

Thanks...
If I had some way of getting a video on here, I'd post a race of my Mach vs his 92 'stang with a 347. I actually beat him like 3 out of 10 times. Unfortunately I'm not the one with the video and it's analog and I have no way of getting THAT on the computer either. Maybe sometime in the future I can post that.

He traps around 110-111, but he can't get off the line as quick as me :THUMBSUP: