2018 Mustang GT, more HP than a Camaro SS

[SchwermoRacing]

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/07/24/2...han-camaro-ss/

"Most impressive is the GT, which now produces an extra 25 horsepower and 20 pound-feet of torque to bring it to 460 horsepower and 420 pound-feet total. That puts the GT ahead of the Camaro SS by 5 horsepower, though it still trails the bow-tie-branded pony car by 35 pound-feet of torque."

Sub 4sec 0-60 and it seems the 10spd Auto and Perf Pkg are the fastest trims.

[SouthKak_Mach1]

More HP and TQ is always a great thing, but did they do anything to shave some weight off the car? A lot of people had doubts about this 10 speed transmission when Ford announced that they were in collaboration with GM building one, but the hard work paid off. It's proving itself to be a great performance transmission so far.

[SchwermoRacing]

IMO weight isn't a huge issue, its less than the Challenger base when fully loaded, and the GT is mess than an SS. It's only about 250 more than a Corvette.

Could it be lighter? Sure, but does it super need it? Not really IMO. It wouldn't hurt for 150 or so to be dropped though.

[Thunderbolt]

I really like the new 2018 bodystyle changes, plus 460 N/A power is killer. I haven't gotten butterflies in my stomach like this since I heard the Mach was gonna be built. This could be the reason to ditch my Mach.

[falcongtho3]

Keep the Mach. The big question is going to be the HP2 car. Stick only and unique wheels, are we looking at a Mach 1, a Bullitt, a Cobra Jet or what?

[4valve 4tw?]

Originally Posted by SchwermoRacing

IMO weight isn't a huge issue, its less than the Challenger base when fully loaded, and the GT is mess than an SS. It's only about 250 more than a Corvette.

Could it be lighter? Sure, but does it super need it? Not really IMO. It wouldn't hurt for 150 or so to be dropped though.

The 15+ Mustang GT premium comes out almost 250lbs heavier then a 11-14. Right now with it gaining weight and the Camaro losing weight, it's much heavier then the Camaro. This hp bump wont let it edge out the Camaro at all. Right now there's a small chasm between the two, auto to auto and manual to manual. Even the manual Camaro is way quicker then auto Mustang. This new 10 speed should certainly help with the high revving 5.0 though.

[SchwermoRacing]

Originally Posted by 4valve 4tw?

The 15+ Mustang GT premium comes out almost 250lbs heavier then a 11-14. Right now with it gaining weight and the Camaro losing weight, it's much heavier then the Camaro. This hp bump wont let it edge out the Camaro at all. Right now there's a small chasm between the two, auto to auto and manual to manual. Even the manual Camaro is way quicker then auto Mustang. This new 10 speed should certainly help with the high revving 5.0 though.

No. It's not. The Camaro is only lighter in the base versions and that's only by 130lbs. Once you start loading them up the Camaro can weight up to 300+ more than the Mustang.

[4valve 4tw?]

...I know they look extremely similar, but you know there's a new, new Camaro right? Although I was wrong that the Mustang only gained about 150+lbs. Of note: the Performance Pack is required to be apples to apples with the SS's standard performance hardware.

Auto Camaro 2SS vs manual GT premium performance pack
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...rd-mustang-gt/

Manual Camaro 1SS vs manual GT premium performance pack
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...rd-mustang-gt/

Auto Camaro 2SS vs manual GT premium performance pack
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4

[SchwermoRacing]

Originally Posted by 4valve 4tw?

...I know they look extremely similar, but you know there's a new, new Camaro right? Although I was wrong that the Mustang only gained about 150+lbs. Of note: the Performance Pack is required to be apples to apples with the SS's standard performance hardware.

Auto Camaro 2SS vs manual GT premium performance pack
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...rd-mustang-gt/

Manual Camaro 1SS vs manual GT premium performance pack
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...rd-mustang-gt/

Auto Camaro 2SS vs manual GT premium performance pack
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4

The 2017 Camaro tops out at 4,125lbs curb weight, the '17 Mustang only tops out at 3,825. The I'm pretty sure that puts a Camaro at a near 300lb weight disadvantage. a stripped Camaro and Mustang is the difference of 130lbs.

Also with the PerfPkg the 2017 GT is still 1K less than a Camaro SS, and in 2018 it's 1K more. They are comparably priced.

Also I'd like to point out how shitty C&D's driver must be to only hit a 13.0 in a manual GT. People are hitting that in a EcoBoost with PerfPkg and flash only.

[Thunderbolt]

Originally Posted by SchwermoRacing

Also I'd like to point out how shitty C&D's driver must be to only hit a 13.0 in a manual GT. People are hitting that in a EcoBoost with PerfPkg and flash only.

C@D has the worst test drivers on the planet. I remember looking through one of their magazines years ago and they tested at least 6 really high performance cars and couldn't get out of the 13's with any of them.

[4valve 4tw?]

Originally Posted by SchwermoRacing

The 2017 Camaro tops out at 4,125lbs curb weight, the '17 Mustang only tops out at 3,825. The I'm pretty sure that puts a Camaro at a near 300lb weight disadvantage. a stripped Camaro and Mustang is the difference of 130lbs.

I can see you're biased, but I could not have laid the facts out any more in front of you, that's why I linked 3 sources. All were a real world range. A 1SS Camaro weighs roughly 3670 and a 2SS weighs roughly 3760. I don't know what else to say. A 650hp supercharged, convertible ZL1 is a bit over 4100lbs, but if you're trying to tell me that was your point, that a loaded vert ZL1 weighs more then a 0 options GT, you're not concerned with apples to apples.

Originally Posted by SchwermoRacing

Also with the PerfPkg the 2017 GT is still 1K less than a Camaro SS, and in 2018 it's 1K more. They are comparably priced.

I never said otherwise. In fact, I agree as most used to argue that the 15 GT was much better since it started at $33k and an SS at $37k. But the upgraded hardware of the performance pack is required to put it on a more level playing field, and thus comparably priced.

Originally Posted by SchwermoRacing

Also I'd like to point out how shitty C&D's driver must be to only hit a 13.0 in a manual GT. People are hitting that in a EcoBoost with PerfPkg and flash only.

I agree, but irrelevant. Factually, the 15+ Mustang GT is, trim for trim, a bit heavier then an 11-14 GT with a minor power increase. 2 years later, my opinion based on every single review of the S550 hasn't changed. It's a much improved overall "car" then the S197, but at least in a straight line, it's not much better as a performance car.

[SchwermoRacing]

Originally Posted by 4valve 4tw?

I can see you're biased, but I could not have laid the facts out any more in front of you, that's why I linked 3 sources. All were a real world range. A 1SS Camaro weighs roughly 3670 and a 2SS weighs roughly 3760. I don't know what else to say. A 650hp supercharged, convertible ZL1 is a bit over 4100lbs, but if you're trying to tell me that was your point, that a loaded vert ZL1 weighs more then a 0 options GT, you're not concerned with apples to apples.

And a Mustang GT weight is about 3750. That's less than a 100lbs difference in either way. That's low enough to come down to tires and driver.

The point is that weight is not a big of a variable on these that people seem to like to make it. the differences are more than enough that the tires/drive/power are having more of an impact.