Power Adder Choices - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

rowekmr · 03-10-2017, 03:09 PM

Hello
I just got my 2004 Mach 1 bone stock except for exhaust (that I can tell). I do not want to do a long list of smaller mods but I need more power to keep up with the locals here so wanted to just jump to a power adder.

I originally wanted an Eaton swap because its from a fellow Cobra (which I always wanted) but finding a complete kit and someone who knows how to install it is difficult. So next is new (or slightly used) kits.

I looked on KB site and their isn't one specifically for Mach 1 but could I use a kit for a 03 Cobra?

I like the Procharger kit because they include the IC. Any negatives here?

Lastly I looked at the turbo kits both ON 3 and Hellion. I like the ON 3 price but read mixed reviews on them. My local tuner doesn't like the kits so also considering the Hellion kit but it is expensive. Any feedback on these kits?

sutyak · 03-10-2017, 03:27 PM

I have a Hellion kit. The piping is good quality and fitment is great, but just be careful of poorly finished blow off valve and wastegate ports. Also plan on upgrading the blow off valve to something larger. I don't much care for the length of pipe required to reach the turbo. I'd prefer proper forward-facing headers that replace the stock manifolds.
If you'd honestly be happy with 450whp as you mentioned in another thread, then the Procharger would be a great choice.

DSG2003Mach1 · 03-10-2017, 03:42 PM

stock motor and staying stock motor for a while a procharger is probably the easiest way to get there. Biggest cons with the procharger are the MAF location (very turbulent, better to go slot style and put it in the engine bay) and belt alignment can be a pain in the ***. If you can find a used kit with a D1 head unit that will give you room to grow on a built motor later

any PD blower setup is going to require the base stuff of an eaton swap that you were complaining about (lower intake, intercooler, timing cover, alternator, heat exchanger etc...)

TKat13 · 03-10-2017, 04:46 PM

Check out my build thread listed in my signature below. This will go through every detail of an On3 kit. I have had good luck with mine but I also modified a few things which is covered in the build log. Warning, there is a ton of reading there.

Hindsight, I would have spent the money on an HPP Twin Turbo kit, they are a complete kit and fitment is really good. All quality parts such as BOV, etc.

TKat13 · 03-10-2017, 04:50 PM

Oh, I hate pro chargers only because of the belt alignment issues, but at 450 you should be fine. Wait... no, I still hate those **** things. Can you tell I have changed to many belts, haha.

To bad KB no longer have a kit.

311-420 · 03-10-2017, 06:32 PM

I still say eaton swap because of the power delivery and they are designed well. The full eaton swap route will give you the opportunity to use any of the big aftermarket blowers later if you wanted to get real crazy.

The KB kits are Mach 1 specific and limit you to that particular blower. Not that it's a bad blower, it's not. One of the members here has one and his Mach runs hard. KB stopped production on them years ago when they couldn't get any more cobra intake manifolds from Ford. Those kits don't show up for sale very often.

If not, I'd wait for a procharger to show up in the classifieds here. They come along every now and then. Get the D1 with an 8 rib setup if you want to go into the 600's later on. 500rwhp and below a P1 will get it.

ab_mach1 · 03-14-2017, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob04Mach1

But it looks pretty cool, LOL

I have the complete Procharger Kit w/ Polished Head, 3 Core Race Intercooler, Helical Gears, & Shaker Kit. Looks much better than the set up I had in my 99GT

Yes it does!

311-420 · 03-14-2017, 10:03 PM

Looks **** good Rob! Real clean.

DSG2003Mach1 · 03-15-2017, 09:00 AM

it looks nice, its too bad procharger always charges an arm and a leg for everything though.

TKat13 · 03-17-2017, 10:28 AM

To clarify my belt issue with Pro Charger, we only had issues when pushing a D1 really hard, 800 RWHP. Never had an issue with a P1.

MAD_MACh1 · 03-17-2017, 12:17 PM

How are these for noise? I friend had a procharger on a 2006 3v. That thing was so f'n loud every time it came down the road I thought it was the farmer's John Deer across the street. The mechanical noise was unbearable. It sounded like they had multiple gear drive units on it. (Old timer reference there. lol) I don't know how anyone could put up with that racket on anything other than a track car.

03-10-2017, 03:09 PM	#1
rowekmr Registered User Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6	Power Adder Choices Hello I just got my 2004 Mach 1 bone stock except for exhaust (that I can tell). I do not want to do a long list of smaller mods but I need more power to keep up with the locals here so wanted to just jump to a power adder. I originally wanted an Eaton swap because its from a fellow Cobra (which I always wanted) but finding a complete kit and someone who knows how to install it is difficult. So next is new (or slightly used) kits. I looked on KB site and their isn't one specifically for Mach 1 but could I use a kit for a 03 Cobra? I like the Procharger kit because they include the IC. Any negatives here? Lastly I looked at the turbo kits both ON 3 and Hellion. I like the ON 3 price but read mixed reviews on them. My local tuner doesn't like the kits so also considering the Hellion kit but it is expensive. Any feedback on these kits?

03-10-2017, 03:27 PM	#2
sutyak it's soo-tack Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Fairmont, WV Posts: 2,082	Re: Power Adder Choices I have a Hellion kit. The piping is good quality and fitment is great, but just be careful of poorly finished blow off valve and wastegate ports. Also plan on upgrading the blow off valve to something larger. I don't much care for the length of pipe required to reach the turbo. I'd prefer proper forward-facing headers that replace the stock manifolds. If you'd honestly be happy with 450whp as you mentioned in another thread, then the Procharger would be a great choice. __________________ mark 2004 DSG Mach 1. Built motor. Turbo. 667whp 2006 Sonic Blue Focus. Built motor. Turbo. 12.4 @ 115mph (sold) 2003 DSG Mach 1. 12.65 @ 106 (sold)

03-10-2017, 03:42 PM	#3
DSG2003Mach1 700 HP Mach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 8,384	Re: Power Adder Choices stock motor and staying stock motor for a while a procharger is probably the easiest way to get there. Biggest cons with the procharger are the MAF location (very turbulent, better to go slot style and put it in the engine bay) and belt alignment can be a pain in the ***. If you can find a used kit with a D1 head unit that will give you room to grow on a built motor later any PD blower setup is going to require the base stuff of an eaton swap that you were complaining about (lower intake, intercooler, timing cover, alternator, heat exchanger etc...) __________________ 03 dsg mach1 - MPR built 9.5:1 motor, D1, cams, ported intake, full exhaust, magnum t56, built rear, E85 etc... '12 F150 FX2 Supercrew with Ecoboost daily beater

03-10-2017, 04:46 PM	#4
TKat13 Mach-T Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: DFW Posts: 2,865	Re: Power Adder Choices Check out my build thread listed in my signature below. This will go through every detail of an On3 kit. I have had good luck with mine but I also modified a few things which is covered in the build log. Warning, there is a ton of reading there. Hindsight, I would have spent the money on an HPP Twin Turbo kit, they are a complete kit and fitment is really good. All quality parts such as BOV, etc. __________________ Darrell Black '04 Mach 1 Track Times (bone-stock w/drs):60 ft - 1.90 \| 1/8 - 8.67 (100 shot,E85,4:10s,Street tire):60 ft - 1.67 \| 1/8 - 7.88 New build - 750rwhp; not track tested (yet) Mods: Build Log Paint&Body Tuned by Manny @ HPP

03-10-2017, 04:50 PM	#5
TKat13 Mach-T Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: DFW Posts: 2,865	Re: Power Adder Choices Oh, I hate pro chargers only because of the belt alignment issues, but at 450 you should be fine. Wait... no, I still hate those ** things. Can you tell I have changed to many belts, haha. To bad KB no longer have a kit. __________________ Darrell Black** '04 Mach 1 Track Times (bone-stock w/drs):60 ft - 1.90 \| 1/8 - 8.67 (100 shot,E85,4:10s,Street tire):60 ft - 1.67 \| 1/8 - 7.88 New build - 750rwhp; not track tested (yet) Mods: Build Log Paint&Body Tuned by Manny @ HPP

03-10-2017, 06:32 PM	#6
311-420 Can't be bridled Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 7,006	Re: Power Adder Choices I still say eaton swap because of the power delivery and they are designed well. The full eaton swap route will give you the opportunity to use any of the big aftermarket blowers later if you wanted to get real crazy. The KB kits are Mach 1 specific and limit you to that particular blower. Not that it's a bad blower, it's not. One of the members here has one and his Mach runs hard. KB stopped production on them years ago when they couldn't get any more cobra intake manifolds from Ford. Those kits don't show up for sale very often. If not, I'd wait for a procharger to show up in the classifieds here. They come along every now and then. Get the D1 with an 8 rib setup if you want to go into the 600's later on. 500rwhp and below a P1 will get it. __________________ 2004 Mach 1 #6956 5spd w/IUP Eaton swap, longtubes, built 3.73 SRA 452hp/409tq dynojet🏁

03-14-2017, 10:03 PM	#8
311-420 Can't be bridled Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 7,006	Re: Power Adder Choices Looks **** good Rob! Real clean. __________________ 2004 Mach 1 #6956 5spd w/IUP Eaton swap, longtubes, built 3.73 SRA 452hp/409tq dynojet🏁

03-15-2017, 09:00 AM	#9
DSG2003Mach1 700 HP Mach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 8,384	Re: Power Adder Choices it looks nice, its too bad procharger always charges an arm and a leg for everything though. __________________ 03 dsg mach1 - MPR built 9.5:1 motor, D1, cams, ported intake, full exhaust, magnum t56, built rear, E85 etc... '12 F150 FX2 Supercrew with Ecoboost daily beater

03-17-2017, 10:28 AM	#10
TKat13 Mach-T Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: DFW Posts: 2,865	Re: Power Adder Choices To clarify my belt issue with Pro Charger, we only had issues when pushing a D1 really hard, 800 RWHP. Never had an issue with a P1. __________________ Darrell Black '04 Mach 1 Track Times (bone-stock w/drs):60 ft - 1.90 \| 1/8 - 8.67 (100 shot,E85,4:10s,Street tire):60 ft - 1.67 \| 1/8 - 7.88 New build - 750rwhp; not track tested (yet) Mods: Build Log Paint&Body Tuned by Manny @ HPP

03-17-2017, 12:17 PM	#11
MAD_MACh1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wyoming, MI Posts: 425	Re: Power Adder Choices How are these for noise? I friend had a procharger on a 2006 3v. That thing was so f'n loud every time it came down the road I thought it was the farmer's John Deer across the street. The mechanical noise was unbearable. It sounded like they had multiple gear drive units on it. (Old timer reference there. lol) I don't know how anyone could put up with that racket on anything other than a track car. __________________ SLP Long tubes and O/R X pipe, Magnaflow cat back, K&N CAI, PHP intake spacer, 01 Cobra intake cam, 4.10s

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