Drivetrain build in the works - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

JRCEngineering · 03-11-2014, 08:05 PM

I'll have to put the Nitrous dreams on hold for a little while. I was at the track, went 12.5 but at the cost of my third gear!

Now it looks like im going to overhaul the whole trans.

The 3650 is known for all the problems i have so i am not surprised. I am looking for information and opinions on what to do. I have a guy that will tear down and rebuild for 350 bucks. That is labor only. He says what ever parts i decide to go with wont change the price of his labor.

What should i put in the 3650 to beef it up a bit? Which direction should i go in?

DSG2003Mach1 · 03-11-2014, 08:20 PM

Does pro-motion sell a kit? I know they build em

JRCEngineering · 03-11-2014, 08:32 PM

Not that i can see. I will give them a call tomorrow. I know american powertrain only sell a complete tranny.

Do you know which parts i would need to beef up? I dont know much about them but from doing a little research i can see that ill need shifter forks, syncros and maybe even gears.

Bmeagher · 03-11-2014, 08:44 PM

Get it face plated.... Tho's are my plans when mine grenades.

JRCEngineering · 03-11-2014, 08:59 PM

Face plated?

not a gt · 03-12-2014, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JRCEngineering

Face plated?

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Mach828 · 03-11-2014, 11:57 PM

I have the strongest 3650 on the market and it still is a 3650. Save yourself the headache and get a t56 magnum or swap to a built auto. If its drag only and you are hardcore stick , get a face plated TKO.

Sent with a shot of DROID go fast

Mach828 · 03-13-2014, 08:58 PM

What clutch do you have now? Different pressure plates are designed for different thickness clutch discs, among other factors. If you can get the same disc you have now but a 26 spline, you could get away with keeping the same pressure plate.

Sent with a shot of DROID go fast

JRCEngineering · 03-13-2014, 09:13 PM

The Spec stage 1 26 spline is cheap enough where i will buy the clutch and pressure plate. It says it holds 510 TQ.

The Spec stage 2 26 holds 599 TQ and cost just slightly more.

Can i use my flywheel that is in the vehicle now with any clutch?

I dont know what setup is in it right now. I bought it like this. But if all flywheels are the same then i can just buy the clutch kit.

Mach828 · 03-13-2014, 10:33 PM

Yes you just have to make sure you get an 11" clutch and not the 10.5" because that's for a GT. Its best to pretend like you have a Cobra when ordering a clutch.

You can reuse the flywheel. You'll want it resurfaced if its in bad shape, scaring, blue marks from heat, etc. If its an aftermarket one like my spec the middle piece can be ordered and replaced for ~$80.

I really liked my ram clutch. My spec stage 3 destroyed my flywheel and everything else but it was fun at the track. I hate my kevlar one I have now.

If you buy a stock rebuild trans then get the stage 1. If you buy a higher HP rated trans then get a stronger clutch. The higher rated clutches are also thicker so you need to reduce the size of the pivot ball for the right clutch fork angle or the clutch fork will be at the very back of the trans.

Sent with a shot of DROID go fast

JRCEngineering · 03-14-2014, 12:02 PM

I think this is what ill be going with. The transmission is good for 475 TQ 550 HP

Energy Suspension Poly Trans Mount $94.95
SR Performance Clutch Adjuster Kit $90.99
Ford Racing Pilot Bearing $11.99
Ford Racing Throw Out Bearing $55.99
MGW Shifter $189.99
Spec Stage 2 $375.00
Transmission Fluid $50.00
TR3650 semi pro $1,795.00

Total 2663.00

Mach828 · 03-14-2014, 12:07 PM

The timken TOB is better than the Ford one. The Ford one used to be really good but I heard that they changed their supplier within the past year or so, and the last one I got didn't last.

Other than that, looks like a good list!

The MGW shifter is great, but its spring loaded to stay in the center. Some people dislike it, some love it. You have to push the handle to the left to get into first, hold to the left to get into second, and straight forward and it goes into 3rd. Just so you know.

That poly trans mount was one of my favorite mods. You'll love it.

JRCEngineering · 03-14-2014, 06:49 PM

I will take that into consideration. Thank you. It will be a couple weeks before i order everything. I just think ill make my end goals 450 hp 450 tq for the car that way i wont have to worry about breaking the tranny again. ( Ill probably break it anyway)

03-11-2014, 08:05 PM	#1
JRCEngineering Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Bragg Posts: 94	Drivetrain build in the works I'll have to put the Nitrous dreams on hold for a little while. I was at the track, went 12.5 but at the cost of my third gear! Now it looks like im going to overhaul the whole trans. The 3650 is known for all the problems i have so i am not surprised. I am looking for information and opinions on what to do. I have a guy that will tear down and rebuild for 350 bucks. That is labor only. He says what ever parts i decide to go with wont change the price of his labor. What should i put in the 3650 to beef it up a bit? Which direction should i go in? __________________ 2003 Mach 1 Azure Blue K&N CAI, Magna flow Cat back, BBK X Pipe, BBK Long tubes, UPR K Member, UPR Coil Overs, MMR Intake Spacer, Under drive Alt Pully, FR 4.30s, FR Aluminum Drive Shaft, Strange SS Street Axles, LPW Ultimate 8.8 Cover, Lowered, Center Line Telstars, Raptor Shift Light, 100 Shot. 1/4 Mile - 12.5

03-11-2014, 08:20 PM	#2
DSG2003Mach1 700 HP Mach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 8,384	Re: Drivetrain build in the works Does pro-motion sell a kit? I know they build em __________________ 03 dsg mach1 - MPR built 9.5:1 motor, D1, cams, ported intake, full exhaust, magnum t56, built rear, E85 etc... '12 F150 FX2 Supercrew with Ecoboost daily beater

03-11-2014, 08:32 PM	#3
JRCEngineering Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Bragg Posts: 94	Re: Drivetrain build in the works Not that i can see. I will give them a call tomorrow. I know american powertrain only sell a complete tranny. Do you know which parts i would need to beef up? I dont know much about them but from doing a little research i can see that ill need shifter forks, syncros and maybe even gears. __________________ 2003 Mach 1 Azure Blue K&N CAI, Magna flow Cat back, BBK X Pipe, BBK Long tubes, UPR K Member, UPR Coil Overs, MMR Intake Spacer, Under drive Alt Pully, FR 4.30s, FR Aluminum Drive Shaft, Strange SS Street Axles, LPW Ultimate 8.8 Cover, Lowered, Center Line Telstars, Raptor Shift Light, 100 Shot. 1/4 Mile - 12.5

03-11-2014, 08:44 PM	#4
Bmeagher Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cowtown, Alberta Posts: 1,261	Re: Drivetrain build in the works Get it face plated.... Tho's are my plans when mine grenades. __________________ Maximum Motorsports race series shocks/struts, coilovers front and rear, K member, bump steer kit, solid steering shaft, Panhard bar. Built Rear End with 4.30's, Hooker longtubes, Comp 106100's, Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel, Centerforce DF, *FR500 intaked 1/2" Spacer, Livernois Springs, Ford GT Followers in the works.* *SAE 378RWHP ,302 ft/lbs* 70-120mph run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hqjiOeYWAE

03-11-2014, 08:59 PM	#5
JRCEngineering Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Bragg Posts: 94	Re: Drivetrain build in the works Face plated? __________________ 2003 Mach 1 Azure Blue K&N CAI, Magna flow Cat back, BBK X Pipe, BBK Long tubes, UPR K Member, UPR Coil Overs, MMR Intake Spacer, Under drive Alt Pully, FR 4.30s, FR Aluminum Drive Shaft, Strange SS Street Axles, LPW Ultimate 8.8 Cover, Lowered, Center Line Telstars, Raptor Shift Light, 100 Shot. 1/4 Mile - 12.5

03-11-2014, 11:57 PM	#7
Mach828 Dark Knight Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 5,759	I have the strongest 3650 on the market and it still is a 3650. Save yourself the headache and get a t56 magnum or swap to a built auto. If its drag only and you are hardcore stick , get a face plated TKO. Sent with a shot of DROID go fast __________________ Vortech V2 S-trim, E85, A2A Treadstone, Comp cams, built engine, full exhaust, built rear, built 4r70, more mods. Tuned by me with SCT Advantage

03-13-2014, 08:58 PM	#8
Mach828 Dark Knight Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 5,759	What clutch do you have now? Different pressure plates are designed for different thickness clutch discs, among other factors. If you can get the same disc you have now but a 26 spline, you could get away with keeping the same pressure plate. Sent with a shot of DROID go fast __________________ Vortech V2 S-trim, E85, A2A Treadstone, Comp cams, built engine, full exhaust, built rear, built 4r70, more mods. Tuned by me with SCT Advantage

03-13-2014, 09:13 PM	#9
JRCEngineering Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Bragg Posts: 94	Re: Drivetrain build in the works The Spec stage 1 26 spline is cheap enough where i will buy the clutch and pressure plate. It says it holds 510 TQ. The Spec stage 2 26 holds 599 TQ and cost just slightly more. Can i use my flywheel that is in the vehicle now with any clutch? I dont know what setup is in it right now. I bought it like this. But if all flywheels are the same then i can just buy the clutch kit. __________________ 2003 Mach 1 Azure Blue K&N CAI, Magna flow Cat back, BBK X Pipe, BBK Long tubes, UPR K Member, UPR Coil Overs, MMR Intake Spacer, Under drive Alt Pully, FR 4.30s, FR Aluminum Drive Shaft, Strange SS Street Axles, LPW Ultimate 8.8 Cover, Lowered, Center Line Telstars, Raptor Shift Light, 100 Shot. 1/4 Mile - 12.5

03-13-2014, 10:33 PM	#10
Mach828 Dark Knight Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 5,759	Yes you just have to make sure you get an 11" clutch and not the 10.5" because that's for a GT. Its best to pretend like you have a Cobra when ordering a clutch. You can reuse the flywheel. You'll want it resurfaced if its in bad shape, scaring, blue marks from heat, etc. If its an aftermarket one like my spec the middle piece can be ordered and replaced for ~$80. I really liked my ram clutch. My spec stage 3 destroyed my flywheel and everything else but it was fun at the track. I hate my kevlar one I have now. If you buy a stock rebuild trans then get the stage 1. If you buy a higher HP rated trans then get a stronger clutch. The higher rated clutches are also thicker so you need to reduce the size of the pivot ball for the right clutch fork angle or the clutch fork will be at the very back of the trans. Sent with a shot of DROID go fast __________________ Vortech V2 S-trim, E85, A2A Treadstone, Comp cams, built engine, full exhaust, built rear, built 4r70, more mods. Tuned by me with SCT Advantage

03-14-2014, 12:02 PM	#11
JRCEngineering Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Bragg Posts: 94	Re: Drivetrain build in the works I think this is what ill be going with. The transmission is good for 475 TQ 550 HP Energy Suspension Poly Trans Mount $94.95 SR Performance Clutch Adjuster Kit $90.99 Ford Racing Pilot Bearing $11.99 Ford Racing Throw Out Bearing $55.99 MGW Shifter $189.99 Spec Stage 2 $375.00 Transmission Fluid $50.00 TR3650 semi pro $1,795.00 Total 2663.00 __________________ 2003 Mach 1 Azure Blue K&N CAI, Magna flow Cat back, BBK X Pipe, BBK Long tubes, UPR K Member, UPR Coil Overs, MMR Intake Spacer, Under drive Alt Pully, FR 4.30s, FR Aluminum Drive Shaft, Strange SS Street Axles, LPW Ultimate 8.8 Cover, Lowered, Center Line Telstars, Raptor Shift Light, 100 Shot. 1/4 Mile - 12.5

03-14-2014, 12:07 PM	#12
Mach828 Dark Knight Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 5,759	Re: Drivetrain build in the works The timken TOB is better than the Ford one. The Ford one used to be really good but I heard that they changed their supplier within the past year or so, and the last one I got didn't last. Other than that, looks like a good list! The MGW shifter is great, but its spring loaded to stay in the center. Some people dislike it, some love it. You have to push the handle to the left to get into first, hold to the left to get into second, and straight forward and it goes into 3rd. Just so you know. That poly trans mount was one of my favorite mods. You'll love it. __________________ Vortech V2 S-trim, E85, A2A Treadstone, Comp cams, built engine, full exhaust, built rear, built 4r70, more mods. Tuned by me with SCT Advantage

03-14-2014, 06:49 PM	#13
JRCEngineering Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Bragg Posts: 94	Re: Drivetrain build in the works I will take that into consideration. Thank you. It will be a couple weeks before i order everything. I just think ill make my end goals 450 hp 450 tq for the car that way i wont have to worry about breaking the tranny again. ( Ill probably break it anyway) __________________ 2003 Mach 1 Azure Blue K&N CAI, Magna flow Cat back, BBK X Pipe, BBK Long tubes, UPR K Member, UPR Coil Overs, MMR Intake Spacer, Under drive Alt Pully, FR 4.30s, FR Aluminum Drive Shaft, Strange SS Street Axles, LPW Ultimate 8.8 Cover, Lowered, Center Line Telstars, Raptor Shift Light, 100 Shot. 1/4 Mile - 12.5

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