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Old 03-28-2018, 11:03 AM   #776
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Re: Eaton Swap.....

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Not apples to apples, but for reference....

1) I have a 2.93 upper on my 04 with the stock power. I've seen 12psi according to my Aeroforce gauge. That's with stock manifolds, Bassani catted X, and Stingers. Also my compression is only 8.5:1. Your higher compression might affect it as well.

2) I tuned my 04 myself. It's not really that hard. I've tuned a couple other cars as well.
I don't want to put more than 10psi through the stock shortblock.

I'm hoping the tune won't be to hard to figure out. I'm using factory Cobra injectors & MAF, the only aftermarket parts are a CAI and cattless H pipe. I have the Lasota book and will be getting a base tune from Lasota. I'm still a few weeks out from the tune.
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Old 05-31-2018, 03:17 PM   #777
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Re: Eaton Swap.....

Opinions on whether you kind folks think it'd still be worth it to swap an Eaton into a low-mileage Mach 1?

I know parts and install cost plays a factor but seeing as how the regular '18 GT now makes 460 hp at the crank and the Hellcat, ZR1, ZL1, Demon and new GT500 all make 600-800hp, is achieving ~500 at the crank in an 03-04 Mach 1 still worth the price of admission?

Just looking for a friendly discussion and opinion. I have a low-mileage Mach and am wondering whether an Eaton swap on an otherwise stock bottom end producing 450rwhp is even relevant or worth it anymore, especially when comparing it to the cars noted above.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-31-2018, 03:34 PM   #778
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Opinions on whether you kind folks think it'd still be worth it to swap an Eaton into a low-mileage Mach 1?

I know parts and install cost plays a factor but seeing as how the regular '18 GT now makes 460 hp at the crank and the Hellcat, ZR1, ZL1, Demon and new GT500 all make 600-800hp, is achieving ~500 at the crank in an 03-04 Mach 1 still worth the price of admission?

Just looking for a friendly discussion and opinion. I have a low-mileage Mach and am wondering whether an Eaton swap on an otherwise stock bottom end producing 450rwhp is even relevant or worth it anymore, especially when comparing it to the cars noted above.

Thanks in advance.
I've pulled on a hellcat charger after he tried to surprise ricer fly by me on a two lane country road (no idea on mods if any, it was my buddy's neighbors car and when they talked later the owner of the hellcat said my car was "F'n quick"), an 11-12 GT500 by a couple cars real fast but had to get out of it before it got good (no idea on mods if any) and two different coyote cars by many lengths that were full bolt on (boss manifold, longtubes etc). I've got other significant kills as well but those are the ones that relate to your list.
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Old 05-31-2018, 03:54 PM   #779
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I've pulled on a hellcat charger after he tried to surprise ricer fly by me on a two lane country road (no idea on mods if any, it was my buddy's neighbors car and when they talked later the owner of the hellcat said my car was "F'n quick"), an 11-12 GT500 by a couple cars real fast but had to get out of it before it got good (no idea on mods if any) and two different coyote cars by many lengths that were full bolt on (boss manifold, longtubes etc). I've got other significant kills as well but those are the ones that relate to your list.
Wow. That's super impressive. Are you running an Eaton or are are you upgraded to a KB or Whipple? What kind of power are you putting to the ground? Anyone else care to chime in?

This intrigues me. I figured that the limit of what an Eaton swapped stock block Mach 1 can do would only barely tread water when compared to the powerful cars of today. I guess our cars being significantly lighter than some of those cars listed helps?
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Old 05-31-2018, 04:13 PM   #780
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Re: Eaton Swap.....

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Opinions on whether you kind folks think it'd still be worth it to swap an Eaton into a low-mileage Mach 1?

I know parts and install cost plays a factor but seeing as how the regular '18 GT now makes 460 hp at the crank and the Hellcat, ZR1, ZL1, Demon and new GT500 all make 600-800hp, is achieving ~500 at the crank in an 03-04 Mach 1 still worth the price of admission?

Just looking for a friendly discussion and opinion. I have a low-mileage Mach and am wondering whether an Eaton swap on an otherwise stock bottom end producing 450rwhp is even relevant or worth it anymore, especially when comparing it to the cars noted above.

Thanks in advance.
I've done it both ways.
First way -
Eaton swapped my 40k mile 2003 Red Mach 1. Make over 470rwhp thru an automatic.
With 4.10 rear gears, it was super fun to drive and would put bus-lengths on most "fast" cars from stoplight to stoplight.
Cost came in under $5,500 for everything including Eaton parts, heat exchanger, return fuel system upgrade, full exhaust system, etc.

Second way -
I did a complete Terminator Cobra drivetrain swap on my 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1. Pulled the tired and knocking original Mach engine and dropped in a 50K mile Cobra engine, T56 transmission, IRS rear, and eventually put a Kennebell 2.6 supercharger and E85 return fuel system on it. It makes 700rwhp today.
Cost came in around $10k for everything.

Good luck.
It's worth it.

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Old 05-31-2018, 04:58 PM   #781
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Wow. That's super impressive. Are you running an Eaton or are are you upgraded to a KB or Whipple? What kind of power are you putting to the ground? Anyone else care to chime in?

This intrigues me. I figured that the limit of what an Eaton swapped stock block Mach 1 can do would only barely tread water when compared to the powerful cars of today. I guess our cars being significantly lighter than some of those cars listed helps?
Stock Eaton, stock pulleys, longtubes, magnaflow cb, built 3.73 rear, nitto dr etc

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Old 06-01-2018, 08:15 AM   #782
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Re: Eaton Swap.....

I very much appreciate you guys for responding - Thanks. I wouldn't have thought that an Eaton swapped Mach would be able to stay with the cars you mentioned nor achieve what you've appeared to have achieved with that setup. I appreciate the insightful responses and always love seeing pics of a Mach 1

I have also been told that the Eaton is both the best way to go as well as the worst way to go for supercharging. Two different shops in my area had very different opinions. One shop swore by going with a Vortech or Procharger and another says an Eaton is what I want as long as I'm not looking to produce huge numbers. Both shops are well respected and I have no doubt both do good work so I will not discredit either shop - it's just interesting to hear peoples opinions on the matter.

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Old 06-04-2018, 08:16 PM   #783
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Re: Eaton Swap.....

My 498whp Eaton swapped Mach1 engine(in a GT) with 3.73 gears was enough to beat up on my buddy's 2012 GT with a 2.3TVS and another buddy's 2.2 KB 2004 Cobra. The newer cars are nicer, ride smoother, have more creature comforts but it comes at a price. They are quite a bit bigger and a lot heavier.

Since Eaton swapping mine, I went full tilt and now have a Whipple 3.4 on my built/forged 4V with a built 4r75w auto behind it. It makes 800+ to the tire and surprises a lot of "fast cars". To top it off, I love the look of the new edge Mustangs so I am sticking with mine for a long time.
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:14 PM   #784
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My 498whp Eaton swapped Mach1 engine(in a GT) with 3.73 gears was enough to beat up on my buddy's 2012 GT with a 2.3TVS and another buddy's 2.2 KB 2004 Cobra. The newer cars are nicer, ride smoother, have more creature comforts but it comes at a price. They are quite a bit bigger and a lot heavier.

Since Eaton swapping mine, I went full tilt and now have a Whipple 3.4 on my built/forged 4V with a built 4r75w auto behind it. It makes 800+ to the tire and surprises a lot of "fast cars". To top it off, I love the look of the new edge Mustangs so I am sticking with mine for a long time.
If I remember right the Azure was supposed to be just a daily after the TR . lol
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Old 06-08-2018, 02:40 PM   #785
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I very much appreciate you guys for responding - Thanks. I wouldn't have thought that an Eaton swapped Mach would be able to stay with the cars you mentioned nor achieve what you've appeared to have achieved with that setup. I appreciate the insightful responses and always love seeing pics of a Mach 1

I have also been told that the Eaton is both the best way to go as well as the worst way to go for supercharging. Two different shops in my area had very different opinions. One shop swore by going with a Vortech or Procharger and another says an Eaton is what I want as long as I'm not looking to produce huge numbers. Both shops are well respected and I have no doubt both do good work so I will not discredit either shop - it's just interesting to hear peoples opinions on the matter.
The roots blower (Eaton, whipple, etc.) sounds like heaven. I could listen to that whine all day long. However, the power hits really hard and if you push too much boost it can be harsh on the bottom end.

I'll say this...my father's last car was a Terminator with a VMP swap and supporting mods that was putting down 700+ on our local dyno, and I saw a Procharged Mach 1 pass it like it was tied to a tree one night. I wouldn't have believe it if I hadn't seen it myself.

With the Mach factory compression ratio and a well tuned centrifugal kit, you can pretty much wipe the floor with Hellkittens, ZL1s, whatever you want.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:30 AM   #786
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The roots blower (Eaton, whipple, etc.) sounds like heaven. I could listen to that whine all day long. However, the power hits really hard and if you push too much boost it can be harsh on the bottom end.

I'll say this...my father's last car was a Terminator with a VMP swap and supporting mods that was putting down 700+ on our local dyno, and I saw a Procharged Mach 1 pass it like it was tied to a tree one night. I wouldn't have believe it if I hadn't seen it myself.

With the Mach factory compression ratio and a well tuned centrifugal kit, you can pretty much wipe the floor with Hellkittens, ZL1s, whatever you want.
When deciding what setup I wanted I had a hard time deciding between a centrifugal and a roots/twin-screw. What ultimately made me choose an Eaton was that my car is a weekend/nice day car that will more than likely never see a race track. The power of the Eaton being more linear is a plus for how I'll be driving it.

So, Eaton it is. Now, I'm just hoping I can get to that conservative ~450rwhp mark.
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:25 PM   #787
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Re: Eaton Swap.....

The Eaton that I'll be running is from a Cobra that had it ported/polished - with a stock bottom end in my Mach, what benefit if any will I be able to see in having this? Also, I'd like to know if most of you are running the stock sized upper/lower pulley's or what you've done with your setups.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-22-2018, 10:01 PM   #788
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The Eaton that I'll be running is from a Cobra that had it ported/polished - with a stock bottom end in my Mach, what benefit if any will I be able to see in having this? Also, I'd like to know if most of you are running the stock sized upper/lower pulley's or what you've done with your setups.

Thanks in advance.
The port mostly opens up the outlet (the side that blows through the intercooler). This opens up more surface area of the intercooler to the boost charge which reduces boost temps. Obviously a good thing especially if youre spinning the blower hard. With stock pulleys, which you shouldnt go past on the stock bottom end unless you really like to roll the dice, the port will not increase boost or make any more power than being unported. Porting the blower doesnt add boost if thats what youre asking.
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Old 06-23-2018, 01:13 AM   #789
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The port mostly opens up the outlet (the side that blows through the intercooler). This opens up more surface area of the intercooler to the boost charge which reduces boost temps. Obviously a good thing especially if youre spinning the blower hard. With stock pulleys, which you shouldnt go past on the stock bottom end unless you really like to roll the dice, the port will not increase boost or make any more power than being unported. Porting the blower doesnt add boost if thats what youre asking.
Yep. That’s what I was looking for. Thanks again 311-420!
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