Eaton Swap..... - Page 27 - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

watman02 · 01-26-2013, 03:11 PM

^??? what's wrong with them?i haven't started my swap yet...too f@#%ing cold!!!

SHAKN' 04 · 01-26-2013, 03:20 PM

You have to clean them off a bit, or at least get any old gasket sealer/maker off the head or cover for them to seal right. Also gotta dab a few spots of new gasket maker on them so no oil leaks out. I asse that's what's happening?

bleedingfordblu · 01-27-2013, 12:36 PM

I couldn't get the gasket to stay in the cover. They kept falling out and same on the driver side cover. I got it after like an hour later.

machgsxr · 01-27-2013, 05:42 PM

Why did you all take them out all the way? Just loosening was good enough for me.

In case they do fall out you can put some grease on them to help hold them up.

bleedingfordblu · 01-30-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by machgsxr

Why did you all take them out all the way? Just loosening was good enough for me.

In case they do fall out you can put some grease on them to help hold them up.

they fell out. i have some toyota gasket maker i used to hold them in place so its all bolted back up now.

what has everyone been doing with the pcv valve on the driver side that goes to the bottom of the lower intake manifold? also what can i get rid of when im doing my egr delete other than the obvious like tube, egr valve?

04Mach1Blurr · 01-30-2013, 07:57 PM

Delete the PCV system and run a catch can setup or filters.
Boost by pass
Head cooling mod

machgsxr · 01-30-2013, 08:00 PM

That whole bracket with three sensors on the drivers side of the Eaton . I connect that line from the lower intake to the back of the supercharger and to the the drivers side valve cover.

bleedingfordblu · 01-30-2013, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by machgsxr

That whole bracket with three sensors on the drivers side of the Eaton . I connect that line from the lower intake to the back of the supercharger and to the the drivers side valve cover.

did you use a t fitting to split the line? maybe im reading it wrong

machgsxr · 01-30-2013, 09:19 PM

Yeah factory has a t fitting with some 90s on it. Need a pic? Text me 2105919167

fastlane · 01-31-2013, 11:16 AM

This thread has helped me tremendously. I put down 475/438 yesterday at HPP. The only thing I am having issue with is the IAT2. The tuner said he was seeing a constant 85*. So he set the timing at 14 degrees with a rich AF.

Anybody have any suggestions regarding the IAT2 reading a constant temp?

JaybTorchedMach · 01-31-2013, 01:59 PM

Hey Fastlane, what are your mods and what pulley are you running? I'm looking to start an Eaton Swap and am shooting for something along the lines of your numbers.

SHAKN' 04 · 01-31-2013, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaybTorchedMach

Hey Fastlane, what are your mods and what pulley are you running? I'm looking to start an Eaton Swap and am shooting for something along the lines of your numbers.

Those numbers can easily be reached with a 3.4 pulley (9-10psi) accufab plenum/tb, full exhaust, and a solid tune around 14/15* of timing.

JaybTorchedMach · 01-31-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SHAKN' 04

Those numbers can easily be reached with a 3.4 pulley (9-10psi) accufab plenum/tb, full exhaust, and a solid tune around 14/15* of timing.

I was actually looking to sit at 500 not much over, but didn't want to get bashed that my engine is going to blow lol

I've had my eye on your build as well. Seems like anyone that has reached the 500 mark has installed cams. I've also seen a lot of low 400 numbers so I don't want to build and be disappointed when dyno day arrives.

I was planning on doing a 3.1 upper and adding meth to be safe. Of course all the "bolt-ons" are already taken care of minus the TB. Would the pulley be excessive for the stock internals?

machgsxr · 01-31-2013, 02:34 PM

Fastlane, it should only read iat1. Out cars don't have a second iat like the cobras do. What does the iat 1 say?

I wouldn't run smaller than a 3.4 pulley. Numbers vary by dyno type and it can be manipulated to say what they want it to. Don't get caught up in the numbers. With 407 on a mustang dyno i ran an 11.37 i think. With a dynojet i made 437 and ran an 11.47.

Both using stock upper and lower pulleys.

SHAKN' 04 · 01-31-2013, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaybTorchedMach

I was actually looking to sit at 500 not much over, but didn't want to get bashed that my engine is going to blow lol

I've had my eye on your build as well. Seems like anyone that has reached the 500 mark has installed cams. I've also seen a lot of low 400 numbers so I don't want to build and be disappointed when dyno day arrives.

I was planning on doing a 3.1 upper and adding meth to be safe. Of course all the "bolt-ons" are already taken care of minus the TB. Would the pulley be excessive for the stock internals?

Lol yea I've been told since I'm over the 500 mark it won't last long. But hey, my car has 123k miles and still running hard. Using a 3.1 pulley will get you the power for sure but the tune has to be spot on. Meth kit or killer chiller would be a good option.

fastlane · 01-31-2013, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaybTorchedMach

Hey Fastlane, what are your mods and what pulley are you running? I'm looking to start an Eaton Swap and am shooting for something along the lines of your numbers.

Mods are 96 Cobra cams, LTs, O/R H pipe, Accufab T/B, and the basic supporting mods for the Eaton swap. Other than that, I am running a 3.1 upper and stock lower on a ported blower.

I don't care about the dyno numbers either. I just want a safe tune. As far as the IAT1, I didn't ask if the tuner was logging that. I have the IAT wired into the TMAP sensor on the back of the blower. I will have to setup my SCT for some data logging to see what it is showing for IAT temps.

With the 14* of timing, we are maxxing out the 90mm Lightning MAF and we had to install a BAP to keep the Stryker 340lph fuel pump at less than 95 duty cycle.

machgsxr · 01-31-2013, 06:30 PM

Yeah, log iat1s. Even though it is wired into the iat2 spot, the way it is wired it is reading as iat1.

TKat13 · 01-31-2013, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastlane

Mods are 96 Cobra cams, LTs, O/R H pipe, Accufab T/B, and the basic supporting mods for the Eaton swap. Other than that, I am running a 3.1 upper and stock lower on a ported blower.

I don't care about the dyno numbers either. I just want a safe tune. As far as the IAT1, I didn't ask if the tuner was logging that. I have the IAT wired into the TMAP sensor on the back of the blower. I will have to setup my SCT for some data logging to see what it is showing for IAT temps.

With the 14* of timing, we are maxxing out the 90mm Lightning MAF and we had to install a BAP to keep the Stryker 340lph fuel pump at less than 95 duty cycle.

Very impressive numbers, I spoke to Manny today and he asked me about my fuel setup, I'll send you a PM about the conversation. That's a ton of power for the stock bottom end.

But, I personally believe you had one of the best tuners handle this for you. I won't take my car anywhere else.

fastlane · 02-01-2013, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by machgsxr

Yeah, log iat1s. Even though it is wired into the iat2 spot, the way it is wired it is reading as iat1.

Cool, I will get on that this weekend.

TKat13 - Thanks for the info in the PM. I will be dropping the tank this weekend to replumb the pump and to modify the fuel basket a bit more.

bleedingfordblu · 02-02-2013, 10:06 AM

Anybody know the part number to the sensor on the driver side of the blower on the flange?

watman02 · 02-02-2013, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastlane

Mods are 96 Cobra cams, LTs, O/R H pipe, Accufab T/B, and the basic supporting mods for the Eaton swap. Other than that, I am running a 3.1 upper and stock lower on a ported blower.

I don't care about the dyno numbers either. I just want a safe tune. As far as the IAT1, I didn't ask if the tuner was logging that. I have the IAT wired into the TMAP sensor on the back of the blower. I will have to setup my SCT for some data logging to see what it is showing for IAT temps.

With the 14* of timing, we are maxxing out the 90mm Lightning MAF and we had to install a BAP to keep the Stryker 340lph fuel pump at less than 95 duty cycle.

^ I was going to get a stryker pump and will be running a Lmaf as well. what size injectors are you running??? i have some seimens 60# and some #39 as well. what is your duty cycle on your injectors as well as size. what fuel pressure are you running?? I was thinking about using a billiet flow pulley set up and running the stock and 3.4 and 3.1 pulleys on my ported blower. I see you are only at 14* timing why did you stop there and not take it to 15 or 16? just a question were you starting to loose fuel pressure???
sorry about all the questions

machgsxr · 02-02-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bleedingfordblu

Anybody know the part number to the sensor on the driver side of the blower on the flange?

There's 5 different sensors or valves on the drivers side of the blower. Not sure what you are referring to as a flange.

bleedingfordblu · 02-02-2013, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by machgsxr

There's 5 different sensors or valves on the drivers side of the blower. Not sure what you are referring to as a flange.

sorry lol, this one, i cant quite make out the part number on it.

is that the map sensor?

machgsxr · 02-03-2013, 02:44 AM

9f479 is what i had as the Ford part number. Its the iat2/map sensor and my preferred way of getting the intake temperature.

bleedingfordblu · 02-03-2013, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by machgsxr

9f479 is what i had as the Ford part number. Its the iat2/map sensor and my preferred way of getting the intake temperature.

great thanks!

01-26-2013, 03:11 PM	#651
watman02 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Denver, Ia Posts: 443	Re: Eaton Swap..... ^??? what's wrong with them?i haven't started my swap yet...too f@#%ing cold!!! __________________ mods:cai, flowmaster 40's, o/r x tune best et: 13.17@107mph & 8.56@84.5 1/8 new mods: spacer, 98 cobra cams 4.10's new times: 2.12 60' 1/8-8.44@85.97 1/4-13.0@109.76 New mods:Ported eaton swap divisonX 340 pump, 3.4 pulley@ 9#, 60# dekas, Lmaf, egr delete, aem wideband, ET streets TUNED by ME!....with SCT proracer softwear!! 482hp / 481tq new times:1.7-60' 1/8-7.724 @92.4 and 11.8 @118 1/4 00 SS Camaro M6 with 8.8 rear 3.73 gear. bolt on's and tune times: 1.8 60' 12.8 @111

01-26-2013, 03:20 PM	#652
SHAKN' 04 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kyle, Texas Posts: 2,285	Re: Eaton Swap..... You have to clean them off a bit, or at least get any old gasket sealer/maker off the head or cover for them to seal right. Also gotta dab a few spots of new gasket maker on them so no oil leaks out. I asse that's what's happening? __________________ SOLD04' Mach 1 -Comp Cams 106100's (deg 106/110) -Eatonswap with 3.4 Pulley -Full Exhaust (mac lts & xpipe, sss terminator c/b) -Built Rear w/ 3.55 gears [B]-Tuned by Lethal Performance of San Antonio -510hp/478tq

01-27-2013, 12:36 PM	#653
bleedingfordblu Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,985	Re: Eaton Swap..... I couldn't get the gasket to stay in the cover. They kept falling out and same on the driver side cover. I got it after like an hour later. __________________ 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1 Stock bottom end/compression Eaton M112 Stock upper Stock lower K&N intake Built T56 Bassani mid length headers Bassani catted x pipe Bassani slash cut tip catback Stock 03 Cobra IRS 18x9/10 Forgestar F14 Tuned by Chris Macduff at IMA motorsports 429hp 407 tq @ 7.5 lbs of boost

01-27-2013, 05:42 PM	#654
machgsxr Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,414	Re: Eaton Swap..... Why did you all take them out all the way? Just loosening was good enough for me. In case they do fall out you can put some grease on them to help hold them up.

01-30-2013, 07:57 PM	#656
04Mach1Blurr Machinator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 2,294	Re: Eaton Swap..... Delete the PCV system and run a catch can setup or filters. Boost by pass Head cooling mod __________________ 2004 D.S.G. Mach 1 Mustang I.U.P.(01/22/2004)-04 Cobra Longblock- Posi Ported M122 GT500 Blower - BF 2.93 Upper - 4lb Lower -MGW STS-Bassani cattless X pipe- Borla Stinger Catback-Steeda Bump Steer kit-MM CCs- MM Coilovers 350lb spring- LFP Heat-exchanger- 1inch Shaker Spacer-03 Cobra IRS with FTBR's Full Bushings kit-BF Diff Brace-3:55 gears -T56 Tranzilla- cut 04 coupe rear springs-Viper Remote Start/Alarm system-Ipod Auxilary-SLP LL-Tune coming soon

01-30-2013, 08:00 PM	#657
machgsxr Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,414	Re: Eaton Swap..... That whole bracket with three sensors on the drivers side of the Eaton . I connect that line from the lower intake to the back of the supercharger and to the the drivers side valve cover.

01-30-2013, 09:19 PM	#659
machgsxr Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,414	Re: Eaton Swap..... Yeah factory has a t fitting with some 90s on it. Need a pic? Text me 2105919167

01-31-2013, 11:16 AM	#660
fastlane Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 209	Re: Eaton Swap..... This thread has helped me tremendously. I put down 475/438 yesterday at HPP. The only thing I am having issue with is the IAT2. The tuner said he was seeing a constant 85*. So he set the timing at 14 degrees with a rich AF. Anybody have any suggestions regarding the IAT2 reading a constant temp?

01-31-2013, 01:59 PM	#661
JaybTorchedMach Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 1,746	Re: Eaton Swap..... Hey Fastlane, what are your mods and what pulley are you running? I'm looking to start an Eaton Swap and am shooting for something along the lines of your numbers.

01-31-2013, 02:34 PM	#664
machgsxr Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,414	Re: Eaton Swap..... Fastlane, it should only read iat1. Out cars don't have a second iat like the cobras do. What does the iat 1 say? I wouldn't run smaller than a 3.4 pulley. Numbers vary by dyno type and it can be manipulated to say what they want it to. Don't get caught up in the numbers. With 407 on a mustang dyno i ran an 11.37 i think. With a dynojet i made 437 and ran an 11.47. Both using stock upper and lower pulleys.

01-31-2013, 06:30 PM	#667
machgsxr Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,414	Re: Eaton Swap..... Yeah, log iat1s. Even though it is wired into the iat2 spot, the way it is wired it is reading as iat1.

02-02-2013, 10:06 AM	#670
bleedingfordblu Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,985	Re: Eaton Swap..... Anybody know the part number to the sensor on the driver side of the blower on the flange? __________________ 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1 Stock bottom end/compression Eaton M112 Stock upper Stock lower K&N intake Built T56 Bassani mid length headers Bassani catted x pipe Bassani slash cut tip catback Stock 03 Cobra IRS 18x9/10 Forgestar F14 Tuned by Chris Macduff at IMA motorsports 429hp 407 tq @ 7.5 lbs of boost

02-03-2013, 02:44 AM	#674
machgsxr Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,414	Re: Eaton Swap..... 9f479 is what i had as the Ford part number. Its the iat2/map sensor and my preferred way of getting the intake temperature.

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