NASCAR thread

[ylopony]

Originally Posted by birdman941

Harvick is a jackazz and always will be.

I agree, I have never liked Harvick and it has nothing to do with him taking over Dale Sr's ride. However, Edwards over the last year or so is really starting to morph into a real himself. He's becoming very uncharacteristic of the type of driver Roush likes and he's also had several skirmishes with teammates included last weekends crash and aftermath. His going into Harvicks garage was very "Busch" league(pun intended).

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

I have'nt seen very many races this year, but that was by far the best one I've seen. Burton drove like I've never seen before. Excellent race.

That was an excellent race and a great job by Burton and his crew to take a win last night.

After last night about the only three drivers who have a chance are Johnson, Burton, and Biffle. Edwards with his two horrible races in a row is virtually out of it.

It did suck to see the Busch brothers finish 3 and 4. But it was nice to see Kahne finish 2nd, Martin in 9th, and sooner or later David Ragan is going to break out and win a race. Ohh and how can I forget Jeff Gordon in 8th. After doing his best Kyle Busch impersonation and hitting the wall twice in the first couple of laps ends up rebounding very nice.

[falcongtho3]

It was very impressive to see Gordon start off on such a sour note and make the comeback that he did. The in-car footage of Jrs. ride of the wall was really something eye-opening. Lots of really ugly noises.
Edwards probably got hit by whatever Karma he brought upon himself, and it would be sad to see him out of contention, since we still have the second half of the chase yet to go. Poor Matt can't buy abreak, and Biffle seems to be riding a wave of 'almost there'.
Should be an interesting next five weeks to say the least.

[Blackpony04]

I'm just glad that Johnson didn't win at Charlotte for the ten thousandth time! Glad that a nice guy like Jeff Burton could win. Plus his wife is really hot!

[gvervoren]

The second article down shows that NASCAR favors Dale Jr. too. In this little article, Jr. is questioning why he got the victory a couple of years ago and Smith didn't when they both did the exact same thing at the same track. Passed below the yellow line on the last lap.

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/head....ap/index.html

[birdman941]

News that "Little Debbie" will sponsor Ford traitor Marcos Ambrose
in a Michael Waltrip toiletta in the number 47 in Atlanta.

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/head...ose/index.html

So what do I think of it?
I went here:
http://www.mckeefoods.com/Contact_Us/Complaints.htm

And wrote them this: (I am very serious, I did do it)

"First, I want to thank Little Debbie for supporting
Ford, NASCAR, Bill Elliott on the Wood Brothers' Ford
for the past season or so.
I will admit I purposely chose your products over others
to use my power of the consumer to thank you.
However, when you start sponsoring Japanese cars,
this permanently and immediately stops this practice of mine.
I will now purposely avoid your products as if they were poison,
since your company does not understand how much so-called
"import" cars have hurt this country and people in the US auto business.
People in Michigan are losing their jobs left and right,
and you decide it is more important to flagrantly thumb
your corporate nose at these Americans as if it were nothing at all.
You are an AMERICAN company.
Act like one.
Sponsor an AMERICAN CAR!
A former customer,
Steve"

I wish millions of REAL Americans would do the same.

[falcongtho3]

Another team busted for really illegal stuff. Way to go, Toyota!

http://sports.aol.com/nascar/story/_...765x1200725832

[gvervoren]

Originally Posted by birdman941

News that "Little Debbie" will sponsor Ford traitor Marcos Ambrose
in a Michael Waltrip toiletta in the number 47 in Atlanta.

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/head...ose/index.html

So what do I think of it?
I went here:
http://www.mckeefoods.com/Contact_Us/Complaints.htm

And wrote them this: (I am very serious, I did do it)

"First, I want to thank Little Debbie for supporting
Ford, NASCAR, Bill Elliott on the Wood Brothers' Ford
for the past season or so.
I will admit I purposely chose your products over others
to use my power of the consumer to thank you.
However, when you start sponsoring Japanese cars,
this permanently and immediately stops this practice of mine.
I will now purposely avoid your products as if they were poison,
since your company does not understand how much so-called
"import" cars have hurt this country and people in the US auto business.
People in Michigan are losing their jobs left and right,
and you decide it is more important to flagrantly thumb
your corporate nose at these Americans as if it were nothing at all.
You are an AMERICAN company.
Act like one.
Sponsor an AMERICAN CAR!
A former customer,
Steve"

I wish millions of REAL Americans would do the same.

Now I'm kinda curious if they will respond to you. I would like to see what they have to say.

[birdman941]

I haven't heard a word.
Maybe they need a new "hostess".....................

[gvervoren]

Maybe there is a "HO HO" playing with their "twinkies" so you'll have to wait for them to finish.

[falcongtho3]

Congrats to Carl on another back-flippin' win! Too bad about the 'tard coming in second.

[ylopony]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

Congrats to Carl on another back-flippin' win! Too bad about the 'tard coming in second.

I would have to say it's the other way around. I like Roush winning and their drivers. I'm just not real excited about Edwards lately. Congrats to Johnson with an incredible job of finishing second. To bad about the "new" tard who finished first. If he were not a Roush driver most of you would hate him like Kyle Busch.

[birdman941]

Originally Posted by gvervoren

Maybe there is a "HO HO" playing with their "twinkies" so you'll have to wait for them to finish.

Got a Reply:
"Dear Mr. XXXXX:
Thank you for taking the time to contact us.
We appreciate your interest in Little Debbie® Racing.
We will forward your comments to the appropriate department for review.
Thanks again for your message and for taking the time to visit our website.
Sincerely,
Sandra Walterhouse
Consumer Care Correspondent"

Sandra_Walterhouse@mckee.com

[G]

Originally Posted by birdman941

Got a Reply:
"Dear Mr. XXXXX:
Thank you for taking the time to contact us.
We appreciate your interest in Little Debbie® Racing.
We will forward your comments to the appropriate department for review.
Thanks again for your message and for taking the time to visit our website.
Sincerely,
Sandra Walterhouse
Consumer Care Correspondent"

Sandra_Walterhouse@mckee.com

WTH, that's just crazy!!!



















How do you pronounce your last name Steve, are you sure that's an American name?????

[falcongtho3]

Originally Posted by ylopony

I would have to say it's the other way around. I like Roush winning and their drivers. I'm just not real excited about Edwards lately. Congrats to Johnson with an incredible job of finishing second. To bad about the "new" tard who finished first. If he were not a Roush driver most of you would hate him like Kyle Busch.

No, I'm quite sure of my dislike of anything Hendricks, and really any non-ford teams and I've been a Roush fans long enough to know I'll continue to cheer for Edwards, Biffle, Kenseth and Ragan. I know McMurray drive a Ford, but he's starting to smell like a Busch to me.

[birdman941]

Originally Posted by G

WTH, that's just crazy!!!

How do you pronounce your last name Steve, are you sure that's an American name?????

I got it from my Ex...................
If enough people actually wrote to them
and asked them to sponsor an AMERICAN car,
maybe they would rethink their position in a patriotic way.
I posted the proper URL and email address
in case there are more patriots out there.

[G]

Originally Posted by birdman941

I got it from my Ex...................
If enough people actually wrote to them
and asked them to sponsor an AMERICAN car,
maybe they would rethink their position in a patriotic way.
I posted the proper URL and email address
in case there are more patriots out there.

I'm not sure I can help. My dream is to see an Aston Martin team out there. Perhaps they can get the company that makes martini shakers to sponsor them.



All kidding aside, it's just a matter of time before we see Honda, Nissan, Kia, etc .... pushing to get in. That's gonna suck but after November it may be the trend.

[birdman941]

Here's what needs to happen:


Speed channel signs a contract with ASA to
provide TV coverage to all ASA races.
ASA signs a contract with ISC for races on certain tracks
for a period of 10 years or so.
Nascar team owners and American sponsors, in conjunction with ASA,
start a new class of race cars in ASA simlar to cup cars,
but in a non-ricer looking package.
US Mfr.'s pull out of ASSCAR and support the new ASA series.
Brian "The Pansy" France tries to sue owners and the ASA unsuccessfully,
and shows up, in court, with a big load of poopy pants,
sort of like Keith Olberman on MSDNC.
ASSCAR dies a slow, fart can death....................................

[ylopony]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

No, I'm quite sure of my dislike of anything Hendricks, and really any non-ford teams and I've been a Roush fans long enough to know I'll continue to cheer for Edwards, Biffle, Kenseth and Ragan. I know McMurray drive a Ford, but he's starting to smell like a Busch to me.

I understand your dislike for Hendricks and anything that is not Ford. What I said is if Edwards were not in Roush you and many others probable would not like him. To me, Biffle is the class of Roush and understands teamwork. Edwards to me is becoming more and more Stewart and Busch.

As for my dislikes. I cheer the driver and not the car or team. That is unless like Jarrett they cross over and drive a Toyota. That will end it for me.

[03mach69mach]

Originally Posted by ylopony

I understand your dislike for Hendricks and anything that is not Ford. What I said is if Edwards were not in Roush you and many others probable would not like him. To me, Biffle is the class of Roush and understands teamwork. Edwards to me is becoming more and more Stewart and Busch.

As for my dislikes. I cheer the driver and not the car or team. That is unless like Jarrett they cross over and drive a Toyota. That will end it for me.

So if Jeff Gordon and the entire Hendricks team decided to take the big $$ and go with Honda next year, you would still like that and root for him. Don't think that is too far from reality to think of. Look at Rick Hendrick, Big Honda dealer (12 Acura/Honda dealerships) and it was that relationship back in the 90's that made him a convicted (albeat pardoned by Clinton) felon. With economy tighting and US car manufacturers hurting, don't be surprised if GM, Ford & Chrysler won't cut back on support to Nascar teams. Needing big cash, Hendrick jumps on the Honda money so fast it blaze past you like an Accord with a Fart Pipe.

[falcongtho3]

Originally Posted by ylopony

I understand your dislike for Hendricks and anything that is not Ford. What I said is if Edwards were not in Roush you and many others probable would not like him. To me, Biffle is the class of Roush and understands teamwork. Edwards to me is becoming more and more Stewart and Busch.

As for my dislikes. I cheer the driver and not the car or team. That is unless like Jarrett they cross over and drive a Toyota. That will end it for me.

Like some other drivers, i.e.Casey Kahne, and Mark Martin, I think that Greg is a class guy. I've been to en event where he spoke and came off as a very decent and intelligent individual.I'm not a big pet person, but he is very involved in animal rights and fund rasing, as are a number of drivers. He's a hard person not to like, especially when you get to meet him.
I think i'd also like Carl, whether he drove for Ford or not, but he does and that's how he came to my attention, especially as a follow up to Mark in the
Roush camp.
My like of Jarrett came to a halt when Dale went to Toyota. I'd probably have a hard time rooting for any of them if they jumped to 'Yota, much less Honda.
I wonder how much NASCAR actually pays attention to such discussions among its fan base? Not much it seems. I think there was mroe buzz in the
last few months about the chance that the Challenger and Mustang and Camaro would be in the Nationwide series, although it seem that Ford is not going with the pony car, sadly, as its next racer in that series. That buzz isn't a high priority in NASCAR. Too bad, it could have actually brought in more new fans.That's something has failed to do of late,while simultainiously running off its fan base.
My 'hatred' for Hendricks is mostly tongue in cheek, so dont' take it heart. I have a die-hard Hendricks fan at work who is one person who I like to needle whenever JJ orJG takes a dive, knowing full well how much crap I'll have to endure when the same happens to my guys.

[ylopony]

Originally Posted by 03mach69mach

So if Jeff Gordon and the entire Hendricks team decided to take the big $$ and go with Honda next year, you would still like that and root for him. Don't think that is too far from reality to think of. Look at Rick Hendrick, Big Honda dealer (12 Acura/Honda dealerships) and it was that relationship back in the 90's that made him a convicted (albeat pardoned by Clinton) felon. With economy tighting and US car manufacturers hurting, don't be surprised if GM, Ford & Chrysler won't cut back on support to Nascar teams. Needing big cash, Hendrick jumps on the Honda money so fast it blaze past you like an Accord with a Fart Pipe.

I will address the convicted felon part first. I believe that all people make mistakes and then must pay the price. His sin does not mean he cannot turn from it and be successful in Nascar.

As for if Gordon, and Johnson both end up driving Honda's with Hendricks, then yes, I will no longer root for the drivers. Like I did clearly state, I root for the driver not the car or team. However, put them in a Toyota(or a Honda) and that's it for me. I did clearly state that. A Chevy, Dodge, or Ford is fine. Asian and you can take a hike. I may even dislike any driver even in an American nameplate with Walmart on their hood. LOL

[birdman941]

I cannot stand Gordon because he is NOT a man of honor,
and not a man of his word.
Nothing but a whiney punk who can't drive a COT.

[03mach69mach]

Originally Posted by ylopony

I will address the convicted felon part first. I believe that all people make mistakes and then must pay the price. His sin does not mean he cannot turn from it and be successful in Nascar.

As for if Gordon, and Johnson both end up driving Honda's with Hendricks, then yes, I will no longer root for the drivers. Like I did clearly state, I root for the driver not the car or team. However, put them in a Toyota(or a Honda) and that's it for me. I did clearly state that. A Chevy, Dodge, or Ford is fine. Asian and you can take a hike. I may even dislike any driver even in an American nameplate with Walmart on their hood. LOL

I agree about paying your price and forgiveness, but the reason I brought it up was to look at something you don't change much in people and that is character. The same character that caused him to commit the felony in the first place is the same that would have him jump for $$.

[02mach1]

Don't worried Nascar be just like INDY car, be out bussiness in 4 years because losing fans with Ford be gone in 2011 and Chevy in 2012 with Nascar buddy buddy with Toyota

[birdman941]

I caught part of one of the pre-race shows,
and Kyle Petty and the other pundits were explaining away
why the ticket sales were down, blaming it on the economy.
That doesn't explain the lower TV ratings.
Wanna know what the problem is Kyle?
Toiletta, that's what.