2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club  


Go Back   2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club > General Discussions > General Registry Discussion

General Registry Discussion Topics of Interest (Mach 1 Related or otherwise) for discussions that don't fit other forums.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-11-2019, 08:03 AM   #1
laffstang
Registered User
 
laffstang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Forest City, Ia
Posts: 127
Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

My small town has six gas stations, three of which had 91 octane premium. Over the years, one by one, those three have been sold to other companies that have decided that they didn't need to offer it anymore.
My options are driving 18 miles to the nearest town that has premium, or add octane booster to bring the rating up a little. Does anyone have experience adding octane booster to gas with a lower rating? Is it a realistic alternative?
__________________
04 Mach 1, Azure Blue, 5-speed, K&N drop-in, Pypes off-road x & cat-back, MGW shifter, 4.10's, Bama tune, bought 12/30/07

90 LX 5.0, Bright Red, Hatch, 5-speed, Usual bolt-ons, bought new 04/15/90

85 GT, Burgandy, t-tops, traded for the '90, but not forgotten
laffstang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2019, 09:12 AM   #2
DSG2003Mach1
700 HP Mach
 
DSG2003Mach1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 8,384
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

36 miles is a good chunk to go to fill up on 91.

With Octane booster you need to make sure what you're getting, frequently they'll say something "raises octane 3 points" which would make 89 89.3, not 92.

Torco used to be the main one everyone ran but it seems there are some others out there now that are good as well but I'm not terribly familiar with them. Some of the octane boosters are a little rough on plugs and if you're running it every tank might need to swap em out a couple times per year...not a big deal with some cheap TR6s or something though.
__________________
03 dsg mach1 - MPR built 9.5:1 motor, D1, cams, ported intake, full exhaust, magnum t56, built rear, E85 etc...

'12 F150 FX2 Supercrew with Ecoboost daily beater
DSG2003Mach1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2019, 12:36 PM   #3
bristol16
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Worcester, MA
Posts: 29
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

Quote:
Originally Posted by laffstang View Post
My small town has six gas stations, three of which had 91 octane premium. Over the years, one by one, those three have been sold to other companies that have decided that they didn't need to offer it anymore.
My options are driving 18 miles to the nearest town that has premium, or add octane booster to bring the rating up a little. Does anyone have experience adding octane booster to gas with a lower rating? Is it a realistic alternative?
Do our cars require premium fuel?

I had a full service station (no choice at the time) fill my modded/tuned Evo with 87 one day. I dumped a bottle of octane booster in it (I believe it was STP brand) and never had a problem. I didn't drive it as hard as I normally did for that tank, but I definitely got on it hard a few times and never noticed any adverse effects like detonation so it was obviously working.

I wouldn't want to do it as a regular fill up on a boosted car, but it works in an emergency if you get the wrong fuel. Maybe it's fine to do every fill up, just seems weird to me. Cars now that "recommend" premium are programmed to run just fine on 87, cars back then that were designed to run on premium don't do as well on regular. Vehicles recommending premium are becoming more and more popular, surprised to see not a single gas station out of 6 carrying it. Also, what "small" town has 6 gas stations lol!

Last edited by bristol16; 11-11-2019 at 12:38 PM. Reason: Changes
bristol16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2019, 01:51 PM   #4
DSG2003Mach1
700 HP Mach
 
DSG2003Mach1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 8,384
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

Quote:
Originally Posted by bristol16 View Post
Do our cars require premium fuel?

I had a full service station (no choice at the time) fill my modded/tuned Evo with 87 one day. I dumped a bottle of octane booster in it (I believe it was STP brand) and never had a problem. I didn't drive it as hard as I normally did for that tank, but I definitely got on it hard a few times and never noticed any adverse effects like detonation so it was obviously working.

I wouldn't want to do it as a regular fill up on a boosted car, but it works in an emergency if you get the wrong fuel. Maybe it's fine to do every fill up, just seems weird to me. Cars now that "recommend" premium are programmed to run just fine on 87, cars back then that were designed to run on premium don't do as well on regular. Vehicles recommending premium are becoming more and more popular, surprised to see not a single gas station out of 6 carrying it. Also, what "small" town has 6 gas stations lol!
our cars say right on the dash premium fuel recommended, meaning at least 91. With an aftermarket tune I would want to make sure I wasn't under 91.
__________________
03 dsg mach1 - MPR built 9.5:1 motor, D1, cams, ported intake, full exhaust, magnum t56, built rear, E85 etc...

'12 F150 FX2 Supercrew with Ecoboost daily beater
DSG2003Mach1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2019, 08:18 PM   #5
FastEddie09
Registered User
 
FastEddie09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 370
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

Is this your daily driver?
__________________
2003 Mach 1 (The Black Slowmatic)
13.1 @ 106mph / 2.05 60ft before stall and dr
  • Tuned by Tim Barth @ Mr Norms Garage
  • 4200 Stall - BC Automotive
  • Nitto NT05-R 275/40/17
  • MM FLSFC
  • HPM Megabite JR LCAs
  • CHE adjustable UCAs
  • Tociko D-Specs
  • Eibach Pro Kit
  • 31 Spline Cobra diff
  • 31 Spline Mosers
  • FRPP Axle girdle
  • 4.10 Gears
  • FRPP Aluminum DS
  • K&N Intake
  • Intake spacer 3/8
  • O/R X pipe w/ Magnaflows
  • Shaker air diverter
FastEddie09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2019, 07:59 AM   #6
laffstang
Registered User
 
laffstang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Forest City, Ia
Posts: 127
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

No, put on about 2-3000 miles a year. I daily my 1990 5.0 in warmer months, and it also requires 91. From the sound of it, I think I'll just resign myself to the fact that I'm going to have to drive a 36 mile round trip just to get gas.
__________________
04 Mach 1, Azure Blue, 5-speed, K&N drop-in, Pypes off-road x & cat-back, MGW shifter, 4.10's, Bama tune, bought 12/30/07

90 LX 5.0, Bright Red, Hatch, 5-speed, Usual bolt-ons, bought new 04/15/90

85 GT, Burgandy, t-tops, traded for the '90, but not forgotten
laffstang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2019, 08:52 AM   #7
DSG2003Mach1
700 HP Mach
 
DSG2003Mach1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 8,384
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

Quote:
Originally Posted by laffstang View Post
No, put on about 2-3000 miles a year. I daily my 1990 5.0 in warmer months, and it also requires 91. From the sound of it, I think I'll just resign myself to the fact that I'm going to have to drive a 36 mile round trip just to get gas.
can you safely store a barrel of 91 with a pump somewhere? It would need to be grounded
__________________
03 dsg mach1 - MPR built 9.5:1 motor, D1, cams, ported intake, full exhaust, magnum t56, built rear, E85 etc...

'12 F150 FX2 Supercrew with Ecoboost daily beater
DSG2003Mach1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2019, 12:31 PM   #8
laffstang
Registered User
 
laffstang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Forest City, Ia
Posts: 127
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

Interesting suggestion, but no. I don't think my Homeowner's Association would like that.
__________________
04 Mach 1, Azure Blue, 5-speed, K&N drop-in, Pypes off-road x & cat-back, MGW shifter, 4.10's, Bama tune, bought 12/30/07

90 LX 5.0, Bright Red, Hatch, 5-speed, Usual bolt-ons, bought new 04/15/90

85 GT, Burgandy, t-tops, traded for the '90, but not forgotten
laffstang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2019, 03:21 PM   #9
DSG2003Mach1
700 HP Mach
 
DSG2003Mach1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 8,384
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

Quote:
Originally Posted by laffstang View Post
Interesting suggestion, but no. I don't think my Homeowner's Association would like that.
I kinda doubt they ever thought about that one to make a rule


that being said I dont think Id be crazy about a drum of gas in the garage either. Hell, my 5 gallon cans for my generator started putting fuel vapor smell through the AC and I put em out on the back patio
__________________
03 dsg mach1 - MPR built 9.5:1 motor, D1, cams, ported intake, full exhaust, magnum t56, built rear, E85 etc...

'12 F150 FX2 Supercrew with Ecoboost daily beater
DSG2003Mach1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2019, 11:01 AM   #10
JDraper
On Permanant Vacation
 
JDraper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: McVeytown, PA
Posts: 5,013
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

I would advise against using most octane boosters. Many use MMT to increase the effective octane of your fuel. MMT WILL foul your plugs.

Even though the Machs recommended fuel is 91 octane, you can run on lower octane fuel safely. The downside is that you will have less power because the knock sensors in the engine will slightly retard the timing to ensure that there is no detonation due to the lower octane.
__________________
And then one day you find, 10 years have got behind you, no one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun..
18 Shelby GT 350
04 Mach 1 (Sold 9/1/2018 )
18 Ford Explorer XLT
17 Mustang GT/CS Convertible
16 Fusion SE AWD Ecoboost
10 Fusion SE V6
66 289 Mustang Hardtop Restomod
JDraper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2019, 04:30 PM   #11
FastEddie09
Registered User
 
FastEddie09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 370
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

For me 36 miles in the Mach is a good day! Time to find a scenic route to the gas station.
__________________
2003 Mach 1 (The Black Slowmatic)
13.1 @ 106mph / 2.05 60ft before stall and dr
  • Tuned by Tim Barth @ Mr Norms Garage
  • 4200 Stall - BC Automotive
  • Nitto NT05-R 275/40/17
  • MM FLSFC
  • HPM Megabite JR LCAs
  • CHE adjustable UCAs
  • Tociko D-Specs
  • Eibach Pro Kit
  • 31 Spline Cobra diff
  • 31 Spline Mosers
  • FRPP Axle girdle
  • 4.10 Gears
  • FRPP Aluminum DS
  • K&N Intake
  • Intake spacer 3/8
  • O/R X pipe w/ Magnaflows
  • Shaker air diverter
FastEddie09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2019, 05:25 PM   #12
311-420
Can't be bridled
 
311-420's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,006
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

Quote:
Originally Posted by FastEddie09 View Post
For me 36 miles in the Mach is a good day! Time to find a scenic route to the gas station.
Make lemonade, right?!
__________________
2004 Mach 1 #6956 5spd w/IUP
Eaton swap, longtubes, built 3.73 SRA
452hp/409tq dynojet🏁
311-420 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2019, 01:34 PM   #13
DSG2003Mach1
700 HP Mach
 
DSG2003Mach1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 8,384
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

Quote:
Originally Posted by JDraper View Post
I would advise against using most octane boosters. Many use MMT to increase the effective octane of your fuel. MMT WILL foul your plugs.

Even though the Machs recommended fuel is 91 octane, you can run on lower octane fuel safely. The downside is that you will have less power because the knock sensors in the engine will slightly retard the timing to ensure that there is no detonation due to the lower octane.
I would be VERY concerned about a tune, ESPECIALLY a Bama tune, dealing with lower octane. It seems a lot of tuners just turn the knock sensors off or way, way down
__________________
03 dsg mach1 - MPR built 9.5:1 motor, D1, cams, ported intake, full exhaust, magnum t56, built rear, E85 etc...

'12 F150 FX2 Supercrew with Ecoboost daily beater
DSG2003Mach1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2019, 02:20 PM   #14
JDraper
On Permanant Vacation
 
JDraper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: McVeytown, PA
Posts: 5,013
Re: Octane booster for 87-89 pump gas

Quote:
Originally Posted by DSG2003Mach1 View Post
I would be VERY concerned about a tune, ESPECIALLY a Bama tune, dealing with lower octane. It seems a lot of tuners just turn the knock sensors off or way, way down
Thanks for mentioning that.

Agree 100%. I was talking based on the factory tune. I know in the factory tune that the knock sensors are oversensitive. My car had a custom tune on it that turned them down 50%.
__________________
And then one day you find, 10 years have got behind you, no one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun..
18 Shelby GT 350
04 Mach 1 (Sold 9/1/2018 )
18 Ford Explorer XLT
17 Mustang GT/CS Convertible
16 Fusion SE AWD Ecoboost
10 Fusion SE V6
66 289 Mustang Hardtop Restomod
JDraper is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
(c) 2002-2013 Mach1Registry.com

<