kenne bell or hellion twin turbos - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

nicky rash · 01-30-2011, 09:53 PM

about to take motor out and build , what power adder is the best to go with , wanting around 700 to 800 hp

nicky rash · 01-31-2011, 05:00 PM

was just wanting some input on what yall got on yalls cars and witch one yall think would be the better route to go , alreay have slp long tube and full exhaust , but taking the motor out and taking it to panhandle performance , we just dont know witch one to use both are in the same price range , thanks in advance for any input guys

Mach828 · 01-31-2011, 05:17 PM

Turbo is my vote. But I've always been in love with turbo V8s.

Madmax305 · 01-31-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nicky rash

was just wanting some input on what yall got on yalls cars and witch one yall think would be the better route to go , alreay have slp long tube and full exhaust , but taking the motor out and taking it to panhandle performance , we just dont know witch one to use both are in the same price range , thanks in advance for any input guys

What are you going to do with the car? Street car only, street/drag strip, street/roadrace or street/corner carver. A few years back I asked myself the same question and decided on the Kenne Bell, mainly because it is street driven/corner carving. For this purpose, you can't beat the Kenne Bell for the torque. If you roadrace a lot, the turbo would be better suited. The numbers you mentioned, a turbo would get you there on lower boost vs a Kenne Bell. You would be better off with a KB 2.8 or a Whipple 3.6 for those numbers...The larger displacement means you don't have to spin the supercharger as hard/fast.

nicky rash · 01-31-2011, 05:48 PM

Just going to be a streetcar , might go to the track a few times

Madmax305 · 01-31-2011, 05:53 PM

All power adders have pro's and con's and any power adder can get you the numbers you want. IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO PERSONAL PREFERENCE. Bottom line, I prefer the look of a twin screw supercharger sitting on top of my engine, vs a turbo and all the piping. Turbo's are more efficient vs a supercharger. Do a search and read some of the forum discussions on this matter. This same question has been asked several times.

Also, for the numbers you want, you looking at $15,000-20,000 minimum for motor, power adder, fuel system, tuning, and all the little stuff that adds up.

nicky rash · 01-31-2011, 06:32 PM

thanks for the input , yeah planed on spending around 20,000 cause i want it done right , done had it painted , new wheels , about to put 410 gears,and new axles in here in a few weeks , wanting to put a six speed in to , just love the mach 1 ,great cars

Scott McClure · 01-31-2011, 06:43 PM

The 4.10's would be a bad choice with a twinscrew and a lot of power, and a major mistake for a turbo. Also your SLP longtubes cannot be used with a turbo. From your posts your jumping into the deep end of the pool and haven't learned to swim yet.

ASH302 · 01-31-2011, 06:43 PM

oh man the money you have to spend on this bad boy nice yeap my fuel system motor s/c was around $15K but money well spent for sure. i would say if i had the money to spend i would do twin turbo's i just think over all they are alot better, but i love s/c also. which ever way you go with the KB or TT you will hit that power you want, not a problem there, i think its like said above it all on which you want. can't wait to see some pictures of the build. congrates, going to be one bad mofo. mine took about 3 months to get all done, that was a very long time and just waiting and waiting to feel that power. i just wanted 550rwhp when i did mine and we hit it at 554rwhp. so i'm happy and done, but i also got my zex kit still hooked up with a 75shot ready to go. but i don't see the need to spray, so its more there for show than go for the nitrous kit. again congrates i do the TT and call it a day

ASh

NastyNate · 01-31-2011, 06:51 PM

Im going Twin turbos.
But like stated .... 410 gears arent gonna be any good and the long tube headers are only good if you plan on hacking them up for a custom set-up.
I suggest you figure WHAT you want to do before wasting money of mods that will have to be changed again.
turbostangs.com might help

nicky rash · 01-31-2011, 08:19 PM

yeah thats the bad thing with the tt kit i have to get rid of the headers i just put on but hell its just money , can keep them for another car , just want more power , i had a srt10 ram before i got the mach from a buddy who was going thru a divorce so got a great deal in the car , it has 116,000 miles on it and got it for 5,000 but already put 11,000 in it , just want around 750 hp to mess with my srt10 buddys that give me hell for switching to ford

Mach828 · 01-31-2011, 10:35 PM

4.10s with a 6 speed tranny would be good.

With a 3650 and boost it'd be too much gear.

With your goals you will more than "mess" with the srt10s, you will be able to toy with them and short shift pass them.

TRMach1 · 01-31-2011, 11:26 PM

^^^ I was gonna say, you don't need 750hp to blow away SRT10's! My vote is for the Kenne Bell. I like keeping things as simple as possible, and all that plumbing needed for a turbo setup looks anything but simple!

Fenixfire · 01-31-2011, 11:30 PM

A Twin screw would be the ultimate street setup.

WhippedMach · 02-01-2011, 12:02 AM

It's all in what u want as a twin screw and a turbo are too completely different animals.

But i'll be a 100 percent honest with you end of summer/next winter I will be rid of my 3.4l whipple and going turbo/auto. Dont get me wrong the car is fun as can be with the 6spd and 800rwhp but a turbo is just so much more efficient on the same boost/cylinder pressures i am running now with a turbo i would be making over 1000hp... Yeah. And the Turbo world isnt like it used to be the technology for it is HERE NOW. a nice 9.5-1 engine and e-85 and a properly spec'd out turbo and boost lag is not much of a issue (not PD blower instant trq) but not an issue.

Personally with the above being said, i'll be going with a Single 88 or slightly larger ball bearing turbo. I may even through a eaton on mine for a compound boost, Single tubo is another option to consider you will save some good money and have less to keep and eye on. U can always spool with N20 lol

Larry Warcup · 02-01-2011, 12:12 AM

Everyone's right (except the part about the 4.10's...they're fun with any set-up)

I have the KB 2.1 Intercooled set-up...super fun for the street and good for the track, too!

You'll have fun, either way. Enjoy

WhippedMach · 02-01-2011, 12:25 AM

i had 4:30's, with my 3.4l whipple for about a month... It was like being on ice all the time LOL not fast at all but was kinda fun.

SuperMach1 · 02-01-2011, 01:35 AM

i would go with TT. or as stated a single T88 would be very nice..

swaftom · 02-05-2011, 01:46 PM

Something I wonder about that nobody mentions is turbo upkeep. There seems to be much more required for a turbo setup than an s/c. The gm guys with gto and vette turbo setups that I see always complain about upkeep or nagging maintenance problems. Seems like there inherently be a greater liklelihood of problems with a turbo that sees much mileage/use due to the temps and plumbing. Is it not an issue with the stang kits or is it just an overlooked point that people are willing to deal with in the name of performance? I figure even if it is minor stuff, I wouldnt want to keep dealing with issues after dropping that much cash. Something to be said for a reliable power adder. Just food for thought and a question I was curious about with stangs and turbos and I figure the op would be interested in an answer too.

65fastback2+2 · 02-05-2011, 02:00 PM

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Brain · 02-06-2011, 08:16 AM

Install and quality of the kit are what lead to upkeep issues. There are many factory turbo and sc cars from the manufacturers.

The issues people are having are not inherent to the power adder.

NastyNate · 02-06-2011, 10:19 AM

I think Brain's got that right!!

clobato · 02-06-2011, 12:49 PM

Question for you, do you have regular emissions testing? Here in Colorado, most counties have testing every two years. None of the turbo kits would pass the testing here because of removing the stock cats. There's no issue getting a Kenne Bell (or centrifugal superchargers) tested as long as the tune is set up right.

I would have loved to do a turbo kit, but I would have had to take off the kit every two years to register the car so I went procharger. The benefits of the turbo didn't out weigh not being able to renew my registration.

NastyNate · 02-06-2011, 01:20 PM

I plan on building a custom twin turbo kit this summer in part for that reason.
Another thing that has to be addressed is the venting of the wastegate back into the exhaust. I dont know how the hellion kits are. I still have FL tags and NEVER had to have my mach inspected but i might move back to the National Republic of California!

01-30-2011, 09:53 PM	#1
nicky rash Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: rossville ga Posts: 32	kenne bell or hellion twin turbos about to take motor out and build , what power adder is the best to go with , wanting around 700 to 800 hp

01-31-2011, 05:00 PM	#2
nicky rash Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: rossville ga Posts: 32	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos was just wanting some input on what yall got on yalls cars and witch one yall think would be the better route to go , alreay have slp long tube and full exhaust , but taking the motor out and taking it to panhandle performance , we just dont know witch one to use both are in the same price range , thanks in advance for any input guys

01-31-2011, 05:17 PM	#3
Mach828 Dark Knight Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 5,759	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos Turbo is my vote. But I've always been in love with turbo V8s. __________________ Vortech V2 S-trim, E85, A2A Treadstone, Comp cams, built engine, full exhaust, built rear, built 4r70, more mods. Tuned by me with SCT Advantage

01-31-2011, 05:48 PM	#5
nicky rash Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: rossville ga Posts: 32	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos Just going to be a streetcar , might go to the track a few times

01-31-2011, 05:53 PM	#6
Madmax305 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Posts: 1,081	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos All power adders have pro's and con's and any power adder can get you the numbers you want. IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO PERSONAL PREFERENCE. Bottom line, I prefer the look of a twin screw supercharger sitting on top of my engine, vs a turbo and all the piping. Turbo's are more efficient vs a supercharger. Do a search and read some of the forum discussions on this matter. This same question has been asked several times. Also, for the numbers you want, you looking at $15,000-20,000 minimum for motor, power adder, fuel system, tuning, and all the little stuff that adds up. __________________ MMR-950 5.0 STROKER PORT/POLISH-FRPP RACING CAMS KB 2.1 15LBS 570RWHP 550RWTQ (SAE) LDC COOLING MOD, DAVIS WP, 8-RIB BELT TKO 600 .82OD 3.55 GEARS EATON POSI/31 SPLINE AXLES COBRA TANK/PUMPS, SCT-2800 MAF, BAP 60LB INJ, FORE FUEL RAILS, -8AN FUEL LINE BASSANI HEADERS/X-PIPE CANTON 7QT PAN MM TUBULAR K-MEMBER/PANHARD BAR ALUMINUM D.S./FLYWHEEL BILSTEIN SPORT VALVE COILOVERS 4-PISTON BREMBO CALIPERS/ROTORS 18X9/18X10 CHROME BULLITS/NITTO DR'S 2001 COBRA FRONT COVER RET Tune Last edited by Madmax305; 01-31-2011 at 06:08 PM.

01-31-2011, 06:32 PM	#7
nicky rash Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: rossville ga Posts: 32	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos thanks for the input , yeah planed on spending around 20,000 cause i want it done right , done had it painted , new wheels , about to put 410 gears,and new axles in here in a few weeks , wanting to put a six speed in to , just love the mach 1 ,great cars

01-31-2011, 06:43 PM	#8
Scott McClure Mach1 member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: East Haven, CT Posts: 3,349	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos The 4.10's would be a bad choice with a twinscrew and a lot of power, and a major mistake for a turbo. Also your SLP longtubes cannot be used with a turbo. From your posts your jumping into the deep end of the pool and haven't learned to swim yet. __________________ 2011 Mustang GT Grabber Blue Automatic 2003 Mach 1 Whipple 2.3 718 rwhp 735 rwtq @25 psi SOLD

01-31-2011, 06:43 PM	#9
ASH302 Soldier for Christ Join Date: May 2009 Location: Willis, TX at The Daddy ASh Ranch Posts: 30,596	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos oh man the money you have to spend on this bad boy nice yeap my fuel system motor s/c was around $15K but money well spent for sure. i would say if i had the money to spend i would do twin turbo's i just think over all they are alot better, but i love s/c also. which ever way you go with the KB or TT you will hit that power you want, not a problem there, i think its like said above it all on which you want. can't wait to see some pictures of the build. congrates, going to be one bad mofo. mine took about 3 months to get all done, that was a very long time and just waiting and waiting to feel that power. i just wanted 550rwhp when i did mine and we hit it at 554rwhp. so i'm happy and done, but i also got my zex kit still hooked up with a 75shot ready to go. but i don't see the need to spray, so its more there for show than go for the nitrous kit. again congrates i do the TT and call it a day ASh __________________ 2001 lazer red v6 Mustang coupe sold in Aug 2006 2004 screaming yellow 5.0 sc Mach 1 sold in Oct 2012 2013 grey 6 speed coupe GT Mustang Sold in Feb 2014 2013 RED Dodge Charger R/T Sold Nov 2014 2002 custom Blue 02 Auto Trans AM Sold June 2015 1998 Cobra Black Sold summer 2016 Current 2009 Ford F350 FX4 March 2017 (work truck) 2003 OW 5.0 Mach 1 Aug 2020 ASh

01-31-2011, 06:51 PM	#10
NastyNate Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 1,349	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos Im going Twin turbos. But like stated .... 410 gears arent gonna be any good and the long tube headers are only good if you plan on hacking them up for a custom set-up. I suggest you figure WHAT you want to do before wasting money of mods that will have to be changed again. turbostangs.com might help

01-31-2011, 08:19 PM	#11
nicky rash Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: rossville ga Posts: 32	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos yeah thats the bad thing with the tt kit i have to get rid of the headers i just put on but hell its just money , can keep them for another car , just want more power , i had a srt10 ram before i got the mach from a buddy who was going thru a divorce so got a great deal in the car , it has 116,000 miles on it and got it for 5,000 but already put 11,000 in it , just want around 750 hp to mess with my srt10 buddys that give me hell for switching to ford

01-31-2011, 10:35 PM	#12
Mach828 Dark Knight Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 5,759	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos 4.10s with a 6 speed tranny would be good. With a 3650 and boost it'd be too much gear. With your goals you will more than "mess" with the srt10s, you will be able to toy with them and short shift pass them. __________________ Vortech V2 S-trim, E85, A2A Treadstone, Comp cams, built engine, full exhaust, built rear, built 4r70, more mods. Tuned by me with SCT Advantage

01-31-2011, 11:26 PM	#13
TRMach1 Once Bitten-Twice Shy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Castle, Delaware USA Posts: 3,370	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos ^^^ I was gonna say, you don't need 750hp to blow away SRT10's! My vote is for the Kenne Bell. I like keeping things as simple as possible, and all that plumbing needed for a turbo setup looks anything but simple! __________________ Mach1Registry.com Member #7 MCA Member #52787 Nice to meet you, my name's Jim 03 Torch Red Mach 1, 5-speed, IUP *Sold on July 21st 2012!* 2011 Shelby GT500, Ebony Black, Silver Stripes, 6-speed 550hp 510tq Purchased July 23, 2012!

01-31-2011, 11:30 PM	#14
Fenixfire Its stock....No really! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 4,433	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos A Twin screw would be the ultimate street setup. __________________ 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1 5spd w/ IUP Mods: Lots of new stuff coming.....stay tuned

02-01-2011, 12:02 AM	#15
WhippedMach 2004 Blk mach Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lee's summit Missouri Posts: 467	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos It's all in what u want as a twin screw and a turbo are too completely different animals. But i'll be a 100 percent honest with you end of summer/next winter I will be rid of my 3.4l whipple and going turbo/auto. Dont get me wrong the car is fun as can be with the 6spd and 800rwhp but a turbo is just so much more efficient on the same boost/cylinder pressures i am running now with a turbo i would be making over 1000hp... Yeah. And the Turbo world isnt like it used to be the technology for it is HERE NOW. a nice 9.5-1 engine and e-85 and a properly spec'd out turbo and boost lag is not much of a issue (not PD blower instant trq) but not an issue. Personally with the above being said, i'll be going with a Single 88 or slightly larger ball bearing turbo. I may even through a eaton on mine for a compound boost, Single tubo is another option to consider you will save some good money and have less to keep and eye on. U can always spool with N20 lol __________________ 2012 f150 FX4 SCREW the DD 2004 Black mach 1 previously 3.4l whipple on 30#'s Turbo build now in progress

02-01-2011, 12:12 AM	#16
Larry Warcup WEST COAST MACH1 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 325	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos Everyone's right (except the part about the 4.10's...they're fun with any set-up) I have the KB 2.1 Intercooled set-up...super fun for the street and good for the track, too! You'll have fun, either way. Enjoy __________________ *LARRY* *WARCUPRACING.com* MY '03 MACH1 PICS & INFO *Mach 1 REGISTRY* PICS MUSTANG CLUB of AMERICA MEMBER PHOTO GALLERY

02-01-2011, 12:25 AM	#17
WhippedMach 2004 Blk mach Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lee's summit Missouri Posts: 467	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos i had 4:30's, with my 3.4l whipple for about a month... It was like being on ice all the time LOL not fast at all but was kinda fun. __________________ 2012 f150 FX4 SCREW the DD 2004 Black mach 1 previously 3.4l whipple on 30#'s Turbo build now in progress

02-01-2011, 01:35 AM	#18
SuperMach1 Never Satisfied Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,134	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos i would go with TT. or as stated a single T88 would be very nice.. __________________ P1 8psi @ 6k PA Transmission DD 3,600 Stall BBK LT's w/ 3in Collector Custom 3in X-Pipe Custom 3in CB w/ Pypes 3in M-80's Built Rear w/ 4:10 415/383 PB 11.80, @ 119 with a 1.71 60ft Tuned by http://www.southtexasperformance.com/ Built WAP Block, 10.5:1 compression, 14psi, E-85 Coming soon.

02-05-2011, 01:46 PM	#19
swaftom Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 53	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos Something I wonder about that nobody mentions is turbo upkeep. There seems to be much more required for a turbo setup than an s/c. The gm guys with gto and vette turbo setups that I see always complain about upkeep or nagging maintenance problems. Seems like there inherently be a greater liklelihood of problems with a turbo that sees much mileage/use due to the temps and plumbing. Is it not an issue with the stang kits or is it just an overlooked point that people are willing to deal with in the name of performance? I figure even if it is minor stuff, I wouldnt want to keep dealing with issues after dropping that much cash. Something to be said for a reliable power adder. Just food for thought and a question I was curious about with stangs and turbos and I figure the op would be interested in an answer too.

02-05-2011, 02:00 PM	#20
65fastback2+2 Too many cars to mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,945	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos Vortech V-27 YSi __________________ Current Rides: 2011 Ford Fusion 2003 MG Terminator, 2.3 whipple Previous Rides: 2003 DSG Lightning, 486/586, 12.09@111.25 2007 F150 Lariat 4wd Screw 2004 OW Mach 1, auto, 1 of 179 2003 DSG Mach 1, 574 rwhp / 528 rwtq 2003 DSG Mach 1, 13.1 @ 109.1 1988 Mustang GT, stock 1967 TB Coupe, project 1965 Fastback 2+2, A-code

02-06-2011, 08:16 AM	#21
Brain I drive it! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Medina, TX Posts: 550	Install and quality of the kit are what lead to upkeep issues. There are many factory turbo and sc cars from the manufacturers. The issues people are having are not inherent to the power adder. __________________ Brain Best 1/4 12.005@111.85 with 1.660 60' Best 60' 1.606 306 rwhp 317 rwtq 06 Mach1 Shootout Bracket 1st Place 06 Mach1 Shootout Super Street N/A 1st Place Sorry Dan, you have to enter the class to win. 05 Mach 1 Shootout Super Street N/A 1st Place 04 Mach 1 Shootout 8.0 ET 1st Place 04 Mach 1 Shootout Fastest Mach 1 04 Turbo Mustang Shootout 3rd Place 12.0 sec

02-06-2011, 10:19 AM	#22
NastyNate Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 1,349	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos I think Brain's got that right!!

02-06-2011, 12:49 PM	#23
clobato Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 523	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos Question for you, do you have regular emissions testing? Here in Colorado, most counties have testing every two years. None of the turbo kits would pass the testing here because of removing the stock cats. There's no issue getting a Kenne Bell (or centrifugal superchargers) tested as long as the tune is set up right. I would have loved to do a turbo kit, but I would have had to take off the kit every two years to register the car so I went procharger. The benefits of the turbo didn't out weigh not being able to renew my registration.

02-06-2011, 01:20 PM	#24
NastyNate Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 1,349	Re: kenne bell or hellion twin turbos I plan on building a custom twin turbo kit this summer in part for that reason. Another thing that has to be addressed is the venting of the wastegate back into the exhaust. I dont know how the hellion kits are. I still have FL tags and NEVER had to have my mach inspected but i might move back to the National Republic of California!

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