Gas prices, just sticking it to use again

[shadowmaker]

They are cutting production bc we have too much yet it keeps going up at the pumps. When are WE as Americans going to say enough is enough?

We re the best country in the world yet the world laughs at us.....I m not even going to get started, I ll be mad the rest of the day.

But here you go, enjoy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_saudi_oil

[Thunderbolt]

This country has never been serious about stopping the purchase of foreign oil. If they were, they would have done it 30 years ago. Too many people upstairs are getting greased to keep buying it, and never ween this country off it, or enough to damage Middle East revenue.

[Mach828]

Military is finally getting around to realizing that no matter how advanced our technology is or how good our military is, if we can't fuel them, we aren't much of a superpower.

So, I see things turning around in the upcoming years.

But agree with the above. Hard to stop something when the people in charge are getting big checks because of continuing it.

[birdman941]

Just remember all of the BS in November of 2012.
Change it back, drill baby drill.

[shadowmaker]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

This country has never been serious about stopping the purchase of foreign oil. If they were, they would have done it 30 years ago. Too many people upstairs are getting greased to keep buying it, and never ween this country off it, or enough to damage Middle East revenue.

I loved the one a few weeks ago.

The question was ask why gas was $3.50 at $104 a barrel but was only $3.25 when it was $120 in '08? Sit down for this one....

'theres so much oil coming into Oklahoma from the Dakotas and Canada but they have no way to get it out bc of not having a pipeline. They can truck it out but there arent enough tankers to get it out fast enough. SOO, they pay $10-$30 more a barrel to get it from the middle east.'

[un gm]

Funny that in 2008 "high prices at the pump" seemed to lead every newscast. Guess it's not such a problem now

[birdman941]

Lamestream media....................

[muzman]

one aspect is that the Middle East backs the American dollar by funding debt on the basis USA buys its oil from this area, begs the question what has US govt promised the Chinese now?

[wannamach1]

Unfortunately too many of us have become desensitized to it. How many people have changed their driving habits because of high prices? Most I would say haven't but instead adjusted their budget for fuel. It's a shame but as long as we keep buying, the price will probably never get back to what most of us consider "reasonable". Just my 2 cents.

[20mach104]

I hate the high prices but I just deal with it as much as it pisses me off. The only part that helps me is my Mach is paid off. If I had to make a car payment and pay these gas prices I am not to sure I'd have the Mach but then again I didnt buy the Mach for fuel mieage so I knew what I was getting myself into. But I would love to see the prices drop back to a normal level.

[Thunderbolt]

In typical U.S. fashion they found a solution to the problem. The U.S. is going to give $3 Billion to Colombia to build a refinery using U.S. parts. They say it will save 15,000 U.S. jobs. Once again, build it somewhere else so we don't have to pay Americans a decent wage to live on, and make sure we don't help ourselves out of this mess. Keep sucking on the teet.

[DSG2003Mach1]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

In typical U.S. fashion they found a solution to the problem. The U.S. is going to give $3 Billion to Colombia to build a refinery using U.S. parts. They say it will save 15,000 U.S. jobs. Once again, build it somewhere else so we don't have to pay Americans a decent wage to live on, and make sure we don't help ourselves out of this mess. Keep sucking on the teet.

the other problem is that any attempts at building refineries here leads to be it being tied up in courts by people that dont want it built "in their back yard". Id imagine they can have the thing up and running in Columbia long before it would be done getting throw around the courts here in the states

[Thunderbolt]

Yeah, but then it all comes back to square one. Were dependant on someone else to get what we need, and uh-oh, let's just say we have a crisis in South America, or wherever. Whoops, another excuse to jack prices through the roof.

[DSG2003Mach1]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

Yeah, but then it all comes back to square one. Were dependant on someone else to get what we need, and uh-oh, let's just say we have a crisis in South America, or wherever. Whoops, another excuse to jack prices through the roof.

Im not disagreeing in the least but thats the reality of it

[shadowmaker]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

In typical U.S. fashion they found a solution to the problem. The U.S. is going to give $3 Billion to Colombia to build a refinery using U.S. parts. They say it will save 15,000 U.S. jobs. Once again, build it somewhere else so we don't have to pay Americans a decent wage to live on, and make sure we don't help ourselves out of this mess. Keep sucking on the teet.

WHAT!!!!!

I havent heard bout this one yet. We re becoming a nation of shoppers.

I ll ask the question again, when are we as Americans going to say enough is a **** nuff?

[Phil]

When Bush was President and gas prices were $4.00+ all the liberal media was in a frenzy blamming Bush! Now we are heading the same direction with gas prices under Obama along with rising food prices, but no concern by the liberal media at all!!??

[BoulderMach]

Haven't been around for awhile, but man I filled up today in Boulder.

$3.91 a gallonn for 91 octane (93 is generally not availabe at altitude).

I paid $3.76 for my lunch at Wendy's. This is killing us.

[Mach1tosh]

Be happy you don't live here in the country with the 2nd largest oil reserves on the planet yet we are paying over $5.50 a gallon. Feel like I've got a target on my

[bris09]

I think the media is quiet on this because there isn't as much public outrage yet. Most people are taking the approach that at least it is not $5.00 like they said it would be. Very smart move by the oil companies to say it will in no certain terms hit $5 that way when it doesn't people are happy.

Dril baby drill is a joke. When they start up the wells they already have sitting idle then they can drill more. As long as it is cheaper to buy foreign oil they are not going to pull theirs from the ground.

I'm going out on a limb here but I wouldn't be surprised if the US oil companies haven't taken the approach of buy and use all the other oil in the world that way when it is scarse they can charge whatever they want for theirs.

[starscream]

The problem here is that oil price isn't linked directly to production, it's just as much priced on speculation. The traders that buy it on the rise do their best to keep it from falling. On Gasoline, most taxes that are assessed are percentage based, so the gap between the pre and post tax price increases exponentially as the pre taxed price goes up.

A few years ago we in WNY had the highest gas price of anywhere in the Continental US. The state Atty. General looked into price gouging by the suppliers but found there was none. It all came down to the owners of the stations keeping prices high because they were trying to maximize their profits. As long as no one else undercut them they could keep charging what they wanted. So a bit of good 'ol capitalism factors in as well.

[shadowmaker]

Originally Posted by Mach1tosh

Be happy you don't live here in the country with the 2nd largest oil reserves on the planet yet we are paying over $5.50 a gallon. Feel like I've got a target on my

I got this off another forum but this guy has a good point.

"This is not meant to be a jab at anyone but we are paying a little more than you guys if you just factor in our insurance premiums/deductables/co-pays. My wife and I have to pay $120/week for insurance, $30/$55 Dr. co-pays (I'm a diabetic so I get alot of the $55 ones...), and $15/$30/$50 script co-pays (alot of the $50 co-pays...).
Figured it out with absolutely no Dr. visits, just insurance premiums and monthly medicines, at todays gas prices I am paying $6.18/gal or $1.65/lt. This doesn't include the deductable and the monthly meds are figured on 3-month supply mail order.
If you factor in the deductable (which we always meet and exceed) which is $750/person (total of $2250 for our family), but still no Dr. visits, you can adjust the gas prices up to $16.59/gal or $4.44/lt.
Maybe people out of this country should realize what they're getting for paying more in gas that we have to pay in addition to gas here."

[Mach1tosh]

Originally Posted by shadowmaker

I got this off another forum but this guy has a good point.

"This is not meant to be a jab at anyone but we are paying a little more than you guys if you just factor in our insurance premiums/deductables/co-pays. My wife and I have to pay $120/week for insurance, $30/$55 Dr. co-pays (I'm a diabetic so I get alot of the $55 ones...), and $15/$30/$50 script co-pays (alot of the $50 co-pays...).
Figured it out with absolutely no Dr. visits, just insurance premiums and monthly medicines, at todays gas prices I am paying $6.18/gal or $1.65/lt. This doesn't include the deductable and the monthly meds are figured on 3-month supply mail order.
If you factor in the deductable (which we always meet and exceed) which is $750/person (total of $2250 for our family), but still no Dr. visits, you can adjust the gas prices up to $16.59/gal or $4.44/lt.
Maybe people out of this country should realize what they're getting for paying more in gas that we have to pay in addition to gas here."

Exactly how is this relavent? Throwing in a few apples to compare with the oranges

[shadowmaker]

Originally Posted by Mach1tosh

Exactly how is this relavent? Throwing in a few apples to compare with the oranges

Its very relavent. I wouldnt be exactly happy bout $5.50 a gal but it wouldnt be half as bad if we didnt have to pay all the other stuff. Yes your gas is more but your govt is passing on the cost of the medical system thru taxes on the gas. Take out ALL the taxes they have imposed on gas, refineries, etc and then look at what it would cost. Bet its alot cheaper than you think.

But I also understand if you were paying $3 before and now its $5.50 how it makes it hard on you as well.

Another reason I bring it up is bc our guy over energy, forget his name, 2 yrs ago is on record saying they need to get gas prices up to the levels they are in Europe.


The $900 a month it cost for health insurance would buy 163 gals of gas at $5.50 a gal. 20 mpg x 163 gal= 3260 miles a month or 39120 miles a yr.

We drive approx 20k miles a yr between me and the wife. So, thats gas for 2 yrs.

And I wont even figure in how much it would buy with the medicines we have to buy.

[24kmach]

Good news.

http://www.arkansasgasprices.com/New...age_no=1&ign=1

[Thunderbolt]

Rooster922 in that reply section hit the nail on the head. All super powers eventually collapse. The U.S. is definitely in its nose dive. We buy everything, and sell nothing.