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Old 07-23-2010, 02:32 AM   #2926
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He started it, actually he started it when he put Carl into the catch fence at Talladega last year, so he shouldn't walk away without some kind of reprimand.

No penalty for the same thing Brad did went to Kurt or Jimmie at New Hampshire. It may have been in order for JJ since he said he intended to wreck Kurt.

Pretty much intentionally wrecking somebody is wrong regardless of reason. It don't matter who does it. I've been tempted in Karts or Legends but never have done it. I've be pushed around some and have done more than my share of pushing back but have never intentionally wrecked anyone.
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Old 07-23-2010, 06:54 PM   #2927
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The 26 team at Roush is a testing team. They are to try stuff when the "top teams" can't afford to. That's why Johnny Benson left years ago. So compairing stats is a little unfair.

The whole deal with tally was caused by the yellow line rule. Carl wanted back down and brad couldn't go below the line and all hell broke loose. Same thing at Daytone between the !4 and the 18 last year. If it was up to me I bulldoze both those tracks and replace them with short tracks like bristol.

However the real loosers in all this are all the other teams that got caught up in the aftermath. Racing is expensive enough and nothing worse for true Busch err Nationwide teams is to get the stuff wrecked by to cup "stars" playing tit for tat.
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Old 07-23-2010, 08:45 PM   #2928
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The 26 team at Roush is a testing team. They are to try stuff when the "top teams" can't afford to. That's why Johnny Benson left years ago. So compairing stats is a little unfair.
i wasnt comparing stats of jmac in the 26 to matt and carl...i was comparing careers of all three. anyway you slice the cake jmacs piece is smaller. its fact..i cant make this stuff up.
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:53 PM   #2929
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Carl didn't spinn brad at Atlanta because of the 'dega incident. He spun him because of an earlier incident in that race which was the reason he was a bazillion laps down.
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Old 07-24-2010, 10:21 PM   #2930
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How 'bout the nationwide race!


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Old 07-25-2010, 01:20 AM   #2931
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Carl didn't spinn brad at Atlanta because of the 'dega incident. He spun him because of an earlier incident in that race which was the reason he was a bazillion laps down.
I agree but that incident on lap 41 was also Carl's fault. Brad was as low as he could get and Carl comes down on him. Go to 2:55 in the vid below, it's clear as day. Brad has not made many friends with his style of driving but he seems to have problems with the same few drivers. Hamlin, Edwards, and bigEars all have issues with him.

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blame carl all you want..its the same manuever that many of have done in the past. start watching at 3:22.....all the flaps came up the rear wing caused it all. place all the same variables in that wreck but change the wing to a spoiler and you dont have any airborn cars....nascar knows it and thats why they run the spoiler now. that wing creates lift when the car is turned around..simple as that. i dont see what the problem is here. carl did what tons of drivers have done but because nascar allowed a shitty design on the car carl has to take the blame and be a jerk? its racing...its tit for tat. let them race. they did the same **** all through the 60's, 70's, and 80's and it was never an issue...why is it now? sould he have spun him? hell no....he shouldnt have....but if the car had just spun around and hit a wall would it be drawing as much criticism? hell no....the only reason is because of that wing.
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blame carl all you want..its the same manuever that many of have done in the past. start watching at 3:22.....all the flaps came up the rear wing caused it all. place all the same variables in that wreck but change the wing to a spoiler and you dont have any airborn cars....nascar knows it and thats why they run the spoiler now. that wing creates lift when the car is turned around..simple as that. i dont see what the problem is here. carl did what tons of drivers have done but because nascar allowed a shitty design on the car carl has to take the blame and be a jerk? its racing...its tit for tat. let them race. they did the same **** all through the 60's, 70's, and 80's and it was never an issue...why is it now? sould he have spun him? hell no....he shouldnt have....but if the car had just spun around and hit a wall would it be drawing as much criticism? hell no....the only reason is because of that wing.
Carl knew the car had a wing didn't he? I'm sure it's all over. Brad has promised no payback and Carl is done at Roush next time. He didn't even wreck bigears this evening.
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Carl knew the car had a wing didn't he? I'm sure it's all over. Brad has promised no payback and Carl is done at Roush next time. He didn't even wreck bigears this evening.
carl's just lucky he had 4 fresh ones and bigears had 1,000-lap-old tires on, otherwise there wouldnt have been any resemblence of a race
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Old 07-25-2010, 10:31 AM   #2935
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You know, I'm sitting here reading all these post complaining about Carl spinnind Brad out and NASCAR not policing like they did a year ago but you know what, that is how NASCAR used to be. What do you think Dale Sr. was known for. That is why he was called the intiminator. The last few years, everyone was complaining that NASCAR was too strict and they weren't letting the drivers express themselves. Now they let them and people are complaining about it. NASCAR just can't win.
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Carl knew the car had a wing didn't he? I'm sure it's all over. Brad has promised no payback and Carl is done at Roush next time. He didn't even wreck bigears this evening.
yea he knew it had a wing...so he obviously was just trying to kill the boy

i guess carl can placed in the books next to the old tony stewart, kyle busch, and dale sr. this can only mean one of 2 things for us 99 fans...he will either fizzle away and never do anything again, or he will die suddenly and become a hero. i guess its up to nascar to script it now right? haha
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And Kyle manages to bonehead his first lap tonight and screw up a few other peoples day...Should make for an interesting 399 more miles...

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I like the race car hauler commercial.
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I like the race car hauler commercial.
yea just saw it about 5-10 minutes ago....and as i type this its coming on again! hilarious!
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what cracks me up is the fact that earnhardt sr. did the same things for his whole career. but he was a hero and the greatest driver that ever raced nascar. its not that he was so fast or so good as much as the other drivers were scared of him...they knew if he was behind them they would get punted out of the way. now you can call it "rattling a cage" or being a maniac....either way it aint right. but why is it that sr. is a super hero for his dirty racing and edwards is an *******?

and as far as the comment about mcmurray...are you serious? what had mcmurray done for roush prior to his departure???? nothing...edwards and kenseth were running the show for a good while there. i dont blame jack at all for tossing mcmurray and keeping matt and carl. even though both of them are not doing so well this year they are still doing better than mcmurray was doing.
Yep very serious.

Biff had a great day but congrats to jamieMac on a career day.
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Well, is Jamie mac impressive yet?
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And Kyle manages to bonehead his first lap tonight and screw up a few other peoples day...Should make for an interesting 399 more miles...


And managed to bonehead his way into a top 10 finish!
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That was a really good race. Congrats to McMurray. His new team is doing good with some big wins. He has'nt done anything for years. It makes my day when Montoya is doing well in a race and crashes and burns.
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thought that was great. They sure whipped that up fast.
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That was priceless, hope it's the first of many!

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And managed to bonehead his way into a top 10 finish!
I'm sure the people he sent to the garage feel differently...

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Well, is Jamie mac impressive yet?
he is still 11 wins behind edwards and edwards has 2 less years experience! so the answer to your question is no! look im glad the guy won...i dont hate him..but the comment about roush letting go of carl instead of jmac was just plain stupid....look at the career stats...they speak for themselves!
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he is still 11 wins behind edwards and edwards has 2 less years experience! so the answer to your question is no! look im glad the guy won...i dont hate him..but the comment about roush letting go of carl instead of jmac was just plain stupid....look at the career stats...they speak for themselves!
Jamie has also brought way more purse money home then the two of them combined this year for his team too.
I never made that comment about roush lettng go of him. But, if he keeps up they'll let him go. And it'll be his fault.
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I'm sure the people he sent to the garage feel differently...

That's what happens in NASCAR. People spin out. It wasn't intentional or even his fault. He was in a totally new and unproven setup. Alot like the accidents Kyle has been caught up in the last 4-5 races. None of them were intentional or Kyles fault, but Kyle still got wrecked. One race Kyle wrecks Burton, Burton gets upset (understandable) and talks crap. Not even two races later Burton F's up and has to eat his words after he does the same exact same thing to Kyle.

they're all going to make mistakes. Regularly. Lol
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Jamie has also brought way more purse money home then the two of them combined this year for his team too.
That's always the case with whomever wins the Daytona 500. It certainly skews the figures on the winnings side of the table. He certainly has done well with his new 'situation', but it doesn't make him better than his former teammates.

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