NFL Football Thread

[fiveliter]

Originally Posted by 65fastback2+2

ya...is eli injured? didnt think so. the patriots and cowboys are proof you cant just easily loose a pro bowl superstar qb and keep winning.

you cannot sit there and say if eli was injured the giants would be 7-1....no way on earth.

You just proved my point regarding Eli becoming one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL. Thanks.

[ylopony]

Originally Posted by PrISM

That list means nothing. Hell, out of the top five on that list, Arizona is the only team on top of their division. Whether or not people want to admit it, the fact is the Giants are the top team in the NFC and Eli Manning is the leader.

I'm not going to say that Eli is not a good qb or the leader to this Giants team. He is both. However, Eli is not a great qb. He is very solid but far from great. He is part of the puzzle of a VERY GOOD team. I don't think he makes those around him greater. Another qb like him would be Roethlessburger(hate him) in Pittsburgh(hate the team as well). He's far from great, but solid and a part of the puzzle. However, like Roetlessburger he is showing an ability to not get rattled and do something good in a key moment of the game.

A qb that I would say is having a great year and is the best in the NFL right now is Drew Brees. This guy looses his running game, his top receiver, then his tight end, then another receiver, then another running back and he still puts up great numbers. He is making those around him better. He may not be winning like Eli, but then Eli don't have the defense that Bree's does.

[Thunderbolt]

Originally Posted by 04VAMach1

Looks like we got beat soundly. I didn't see the game but I know how to eat humble pie...unlike some others here.

If you would have seen the game at the beginning you would have sworn that Pitt was gonna get it's butt kicked. Pitt started the game with an onside kick they failed to recover, and then Pitt had another turnover right after that. Luckily Pitt held them to just 6 points from those turnovers. From then on it was downhill for Washington.

[gbranton]

I agree that Eli is a solid piece of a great team made up of merely good parts. Part of the credit would have to go to the coaching staff, they are a well coached team.

For all the talk about Tony Romo, he is a very average quarterback and he cannot save a team that is struggling in many areas of the game right now. Maybe even more important are the personalities on this team, I don't think they are a great recipe for a winning team. They are great front runners but they SUCK under adverse conditions.

+1 for the Drew Brees comment. I likewise am not a Saints fan, but they have got the qb in the league right now.

[02mach1]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

If you would have seen the game at the beginning you would have sworn that Pitt was gonna get it's butt kicked. Pitt started the game with an onside kick they failed to recover, and then Pitt had another turnover right after that. Luckily Pitt held them to just 6 points from those turnovers. From then on it was downhill for Washington.

Steelers open up can whip **s last night.

[65fastback2+2]

Originally Posted by gbranton

I agree that Eli is a solid piece of a great team made up of merely good parts. Part of the credit would have to go to the coaching staff, they are a well coached team.

For all the talk about Tony Romo, he is a very average quarterback and he cannot save a team that is struggling in many areas of the game right now. Maybe even more important are the personalities on this team, I don't think they are a great recipe for a winning team. They are great front runners but they SUCK under adverse conditions.

+1 for the Drew Brees comment. I likewise am not a Saints fan, but they have got the qb in the league right now.

romo, average? you do realize his numbers and style compare nearly identical to brett farve who happens to be one of the best of all time, right?

[gbranton]

Originally Posted by 65fastback2+2

romo, average? you do realize his numbers and style compare nearly identical to brett farve who happens to be one of the best of all time, right?

His style compares to Brett Farve!?!?!?!?!? What? Brett Farve in his prime could do things that Tony Romo can't even comprehend. He could made throws that Tony Romo will never, ever, ever be able to make. Not to mention when the game is on the line, Brett won it and didn't choke like that chokey assed choker Tony Romo.

You are truly delusional.

[04VAMach1]

Originally Posted by 65fastback2+2

romo, average? you do realize his numbers and style compare nearly identical to brett farve who happens to be one of the best of all time, right?

[04VAMach1]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

If you would have seen the game at the beginning you would have sworn that Pitt was gonna get it's butt kicked. Pitt started the game with an onside kick they failed to recover, and then Pitt had another turnover right after that. Luckily Pitt held them to just 6 points from those turnovers. From then on it was downhill for Washington.

Yeah I saw the early lead, but since I had to work on graveyard Sunday morning and stayed up late Sunday night doing work for a class I was dead tired and fell asleep in my chair...wasted a beer too.

[PrISM]

Originally Posted by 65fastback2+2

romo, average? you do realize his numbers and style compare nearly identical to brett farve who happens to be one of the best of all time, right?

Brett Favre doesn't f**k up because he's paying more attention to Jessica Simpson.

[ylopony]

Originally Posted by 65fastback2+2

romo, average? you do realize his numbers and style compare nearly identical to brett farve who happens to be one of the best of all time, right?

I will not say that Romo is average, but nor will I call him great either. He needs to put more than 2 years under his belt before being called a great one. He has the potential to be a very good if not great qb. However, have the numbers and wins for 10 years and then we'll talk greatness.

[Roy]

Little Robbie is in the 5th grade.


> Yesterday morning when the teacher asked the children what
> their fathers did for a living.
> All the typical answers came up; fireman, policeman,
> salesman, etc.

> The teacher noticed that little Robbie was being
> uncharacteristically quiet and so she asked him about his father.
>
> 'My father's an exotic dancer in a gay bar and takes off all his
> clothes in front of other men. Sometimes, if the offer's really good,
> he'll go out to the alley with some guy and do it with him for money.'
>
> The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement,
> hurriedly set the other children to work on some coloring, and took
> little Robbie aside to ask him, 'Is that really true about your father?'
>
> 'No,' said Robbie, "He plays for the Detroit Lions, but I was too
> embarrassed to say that in front of the other kids."

[65fastback2+2]

Originally Posted by ylopony

I will not say that Romo is average, but nor will I call him great either. He needs to put more than 2 years under his belt before being called a great one. He has the potential to be a very good if not great qb. However, have the numbers and wins for 10 years and then we'll talk greatness.

agreed

[65fastback2+2]

Originally Posted by gbranton

His style compares to Brett Farve!?!?!?!?!? What? Brett Farve in his prime could do things that Tony Romo can't even comprehend. He could made throws that Tony Romo will never, ever, ever be able to make. Not to mention when the game is on the line, Brett won it and didn't choke like that chokey assed choker Tony Romo.

You are truly delusional.

Career

Brett Favre
61.6% completion %
1.52 TD's per INT thrown

Tony Romo
64.6% completion %
1.86 TD's per INT thrown

weird...oddly very similar

Farve has 1 superbowl for the 17 years he has played. If Romo has less championships in 17 years of his career....then I'll believe you

[gbranton]

Originally Posted by 65fastback2+2

Career

Brett Favre
61.6% completion %
1.52 TD's per INT thrown

Tony Romo
64.6% completion %
1.86 TD's per INT thrown

weird...oddly very similar

Farve has 1 superbowl for the 17 years he has played. If Romo has less championships in 17 years of his career....then I'll believe you

Here ya go dreamer.

Career

Brett Farve:

Honors and awards

Favre has won the Associated Press's MVP Most Valuable Player (MVP) Award three times, all in consecutive years (1995, 1996, and 1997; the last shared with Barry Sanders).
In 1999, he was ranked number 82 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players. In 2005, TSN published another special feature honoring the 50 Greatest Quarterbacks. With his career statistics considerably augmented, Favre was ranked number 4, behind Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana and John Elway, and just ahead of previous Packer quarterback legend Bart Starr.
Favre was named the Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year in 2007.
Favre has been selected to play in the Pro Bowl nine times in his career.
Favre is a six-time All-Pro selection.
Favre was named to the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team.
Has received the NFC Offensive Player of the Week honor 12 times.

Records and milestones

Favre currently possesses most of the well-known NFL career records for quarterbacks, including:

Most AP NFL MVP awards: 3 (1995, 1996, 1997)
Most consecutive starts by a quarterback (NFL): 261 (283 including playoffs)
Most wins by a starting quarterback (NFL) regular season career: 165(Regular season record: 165-96)
Most career passing touchdowns: 457
Most career passing yards: 63,467
Most career pass completions: 5,557
Most career pass attempts: 9,021
Most career interceptions thrown: 300
Most career games with at least three touchdowns: 65
(2nd) Most career playoff pass completions: 438 (Montana, 460)
(2nd) Most career playoff pass attempts: 721 (Montana, 734)
(2nd) Most career playoff passing yards: 5,311 (Montana, 5,772)
(2nd) Most career playoff passing touchdowns: 39 (Montana, 45)
(Tied 1st) Most career playoff interceptions thrown: 28 (Jim Kelly, 28)
(Tied 1st) Most career playoff losses as starting QB: 10 (Dan Marino, 10)

Favre's 261 consecutive starts trails only Jim Marshall's 270 consecutive starts as the longest such streak among players at any position.

In the playoffs, Favre stands behind only Joe Montana in pass completions, passing touchdowns, passing yards and passing attempts.

In addition, Favre owns a number of team records, having printed his name into almost every passing category in the annals of Green Bay Packers history. With 38 "come-from-behind" 4th quarter wins & 2 more overtime victories, Brett Favre is the Green Bay Packers record holder and second only to John Elway's 47 4th quarter or OT "come-back wins", in NFL history.

Consecutive starts streak

Brett Favre started every game his team played from their game against the Pittsburgh Steelers on September 27, 1992. He is currently in first place for the most consecutive starts by a quarterback in the NFL and one of only five quarterbacks to have started over 100 consecutive games in NFL history.

Tony Romo:

Two Pro Bowl appearances.
Holds Cowboys team record for 300 yd games.

Weird, not oddly similar.

[04VAMach1]

Originally Posted by 65fastback2+2

Career

Brett Favre
61.6% completion %
1.52 TD's per INT thrown

Tony Romo
64.6% completion %
1.86 TD's per INT thrown

weird...oddly very similar

Farve has 1 superbowl for the 17 years he has played. If Romo has less championships in 17 years of his career....then I'll believe you

It's a lot easier to put up those stats over 4 years (with only 2 as a starting QB) than it is over 17 years. Let's talk about where he is in another 10 years...then we can decide if he is truly great. Right now, he is simply good.

[gbranton]

By the way, Romo is in his fifth season and after five seasons Farve had been to the Pro Bowl four times and MVP twice. Romo has been to the Pro Bowl twice.

I edited my above post to be fair and include TR's two pro bowls and the one team record I can find. I don't think he's awful, I just think it's an absurd comparison.

I really can't believe I am doing this, defending Farve. I hate the Packers.

[PrISM]

Originally Posted by gbranton

I really can't believe I am doing this, defending Farve. I hate the Packers.

Like 'em or hate 'em...Brett Favre is a lot of fun to watch play.

[gbranton]

Originally Posted by PrISM

Like 'em or hate 'em...Brett Favre is a lot of fun to watch play.

Yeah he is a lot of fun to watch. Plus he's from just down the road from here, a southern boy like me.

[02mach1]

Tonights game on NFL Network Brownings and Denver I take Denver

[ylopony]

Originally Posted by 02mach1

Tonights game on NFL Network Brownings and Denver I take Denver

How dare you go and pick Denver to beat my Browns. I'm coming down to Hurricane WV and *itch slap you. j/k

Actually I think this is going to be a close game. Denver is pathetic right now.











But come to think of it so are my Browns.

[gbranton]

Originally Posted by ylopony

Denver's DEFENSE is pathetic right now.


But come to think of it so are my Browns.

Fixed!

I don't care who wins, I just got my HD system hooked up and I am dying to see a game, any game. Right now I am watching a replay of the Bills game just to see a game.

[65fastback2+2]

Originally Posted by 04VAMach1

It's a lot easier to put up those stats over 4 years (with only 2 as a starting QB) than it is over 17 years. Let's talk about where he is in another 10 years...then we can decide if he is truly great. Right now, he is simply good.

I understand its 2 years starting vs. 17 years starting. But im talking about style on the field and results over career...they are similar.

heres one farve fact I found interesting since everyone wants to call romo the playoff "choker"....favre: Most career playoff losses as starting QB: 10 (Dan Marino, 10)

[04VAMach1]

Originally Posted by 65fastback2+2

I understand its 2 years starting vs. 17 years starting. But im talking about style on the field and results over career...they are similar.

heres one farve fact I found interesting since everyone wants to call romo the playoff "choker"....favre: Most career playoff losses as starting QB: 10 (Dan Marino, 10)

Like I said, it's too early to compare him to "greatness." Will he ever achieve "greatness"? Don't know, let's see how many more pinky injuries keep him out of games.

Think about what playoff losses mean...you can only get one each year. If you don't get one, you either didn't make the playoffs or you got a SB ring.

[65fastback2+2]

Originally Posted by 04VAMach1

Think about what playoff losses mean...you can only get one each year. If you don't get one, you either didn't make the playoffs or you got a SB ring.

oh i know...its just, if we used romo wording as in other posts in this thread, it would read

"well, maybe favre can get the jets into the playoffs this year, but he'll prolly choke just like the last 10 times"