NASCAR thread

[birdman941]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

Did he pull a Tiger or something?

It was either that or rumor has it fudge was involved..............

[falcongtho3]

On a more serious/bothersome note the idea that the 48 team (or any team for that matter) can go in and bring in a complete new crew to service the car during the race seems wrong. You can't do it an any other sport, who ever is on your roster is who 'plays' on your team. You can't change an engine or transmission once the race starts, or any other major part of the car, so why was the Lowes crew allowed to pack up and have the #24 crew service Jimmies car the last part of the race?

[Con's Mach1]

NASCAR has to bring back SINGLE car teams. It's getting to where you route for a 4-5 car team instead of 1 or 2 drivers. Tired of the changes, go BACKWARDS already so NASCAR can be as good as it was 25 years ago. Or, keep moving forward and let it fall off a cliff. I'm getting to the point I don't care anymore.

[gvervoren]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

On a more serious/bothersome note the idea that the 48 team (or any team for that matter) can go in and bring in a complete new crew to service the car during the race seems wrong. You can't do it an any other sport, who ever is on your roster is who 'plays' on your team. You can't change an engine or transmission once the race starts, or any other major part of the car, so why was the Lowes crew allowed to pack up and have the #24 crew service Jimmies car the last part of the race?

I was thinking the same thing.

[Con's Mach1]

I got a message back from M&M Mars about Kyle Bush. They told me they were sorry for Kyles action, and they've brought it to Joe Gibbs attention. And NASCAR, and another......sweep it under the rug routine. They didn't even respond about RPM, not a word. Well, it was worth a try.

[_bones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vJj...layer_embedded hopefully he will backflip his car onto kyle bush.

[falcongtho3]

Congrats to Carl on winning the N'Wide race yesterday and taking the pole for the Cup race. Wish this push had happened earlier in the season.

[02mach1]

Hope Carl wins today in AZ.

[311-420]

Props to Carl. Way to rep the blue oval.

Jeez these points are close. I don't care who wins (I prefer #11) but if #48 wins...oh well. So long as #29 doesn't, I'm happy.

[birdman941]

As long as a toiletta don't win, all is good.
If ASSCAR thinks attendance and ratings are bad now,
watch wht happens if a toilet wins the crown.

[02mach1]

Originally Posted by birdman941

As long as a toiletta don't win, all is good.
If ASSCAR thinks attendance and ratings are bad now,
watch wht happens if a toilet wins the crown.

Good one,

[falcongtho3]

I thought the second best part of the race (Carl winning was certainly the best) was seeing the Green Hornet Black Beauty being use as the honorary pace car. The gattling guns mounted on the fenders were...something. Wonder if France is considering putting them on the next COT?
The Green Hornet movie comes out in January.

[bris09]

Originally Posted by birdman941

As long as a toiletta don't win, all is good.
If ASSCAR thinks attendance and ratings are bad now,
watch wht happens if a toilet wins the crown.

I'm torn on this. While I don't want to see a Toyota win (all though this is the driver's championship not the manufacture's championship) under no circumstances do I want to see Jimmy Johnson win a 5th straight championship. That makes for boring racing. You root for your guy all year just to have the same guy win in the end.

Will Hamlin winning the championship drive more people from Nascar? Doubt it, people normally either pull for a driver or team not the make of car. Those who were going to leave because of Toyota have already left.

[birdman941]

I do not personally know even one person who wants toiletta in asscar.
I do personally know a lot of former die-hard asscar fans
who left as soon as it was polluted with foreign crap.
Look at the grandstands in the truck and Nationwide series.
See a pattern there?
Brian "the pansy" France has ruined what his family built.
It has nothing to do with the economy at all.
Football games are full.
Hockey games are full.
Race tracks are 1/2 empty,
Bristol had tickets available for the night race,
the list goes on.
I would like to see real time TV ratings when a toilet takes the lead.
I bet it drops at least 20%.
No one cares about it any more.
The pizzed off their base, let foreign crap in,
even changed the rules for the toilets to even be in there.
I want to see Ford do well, Gvt. Motors, I could not car less,
but at least it is Amercian.
I refuse to buy anything at Home Depot,
as much as I dislike JJ,
I go to Ace hardware or Lowes.
When at Lowes, I make it a point to tell them WHY I prefer their store.
Other patrons in the store have overheard my reason,
and have chimed in with a 'No shiite" comment.
I ain't the only one.
You want to see your country being filluted by crap, go ahead.
I find it absolutely sickening to her the Waltrip brothers
(Dale "turncoat" Jarrett also)
always saying how great the toilets are.
It makes me want to puke.
Jack Roush was right when he said toiletta would throw cubic dollars
into the sport and ruin it,
as they have in other motorsports.
I wish Ford, GM and Chrysler would ALL pull out.
Who would watch a bunch of toilets going around in circles,
on tv or in person.
Not many.

[bris09]

France bringing in Toyota was just one more nail in the cofin. The first few nails were all the changes made to cars to level the playing field. So the Monte Carlo and Thunderbird kicked the **** out of everyone when they debuted. Big deal, Nascar should have left things work themselves out. This would have made the other manufacturers design a car that would compete. Instead they just complain about how unfair it is that they are getting their butts handed to them until Nascar changes the rules. Sound familiar?

The COT is a joke. The only way I can tell the cars apart is the decals.

The chase is a joke. You work all year to build a points lead and its gone just like that.

Mandating gears and springs is a joke. Let the teams pick what gearing and spring rates they want to run.

The one that really pushed me away was the crap with qualifying. Sorry you earn your place in the field every week. Right now the top 35 in points have an extra pratice session while the remaining teams (typically smaller teams) have to fight for the last few open spots.

Roush, Hendrick, Gibbs, and Childress have done they fair share of pushing peolpe away as well. They have basically made it impossible for a one car team to compete week to week. If you don't root for one of their driver's, odds are your driver isn't going to win.

While watching the F1 qualifying and race over the weekend I got to thinking about the technology side of racing and how that technology makes it into the average car. This made me compare the technology in your typical F1 car, Nascar car , and street car. The technology in Nascar is outdated and inrelevant to today's street cars. I'd guess this makes it boring to the younger crowd as they don't even know or care what a carb and distributor are.

I'd say the economy is playing a role is Nascar's decline as well. People are having to choosee between the $100+ race and the $100+ football game. They are choosing the football becasue it is more entertaining to watch in person. I've been to quite a few Nascar races over the years. Even with the headset I got bored as **** during the middle of the race when it was follow the leader. I've never fallen asleep during any other live sporting event, just a Nascar race.

While I do not like Toyota for various reasons, they do force the other manufacturer's to bring their A game. They dominate almost every racing series they are in. This is not a fluke. They spend the money necessary to win. They have the desire and drive to win and you can't fault them for that. It's time for Ford, GM, and Chrysler to step up to the plate and build an engine that can compete for all the teams that use them not just the huge multi-car teams.

[G]

While I'm not a yota fan, the following has nothing to do with ONLY American cars.


The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing (NASCAR)


The reason so few non US made cars were raced even in the early days is because that's all the racers could afford and it was not cost effective to run a British car for example. When my dad started racing the top class was the modified division. They raced stock, sportsman, convertible, and some local classes in addition to the modifieds. There were very few imports back in the day and most were totally unsuitable for nascar racing.

The REAL problem is there are no stock cars racing. The Cup series has become the "restricted spec modified" series, NW is the old "sportsman" series, and the modifieds are still around in a "spec format". They need to ditch the Cup series and find a way to run stock cars again. Let ALL the cars sold in the US run based on a minimum number sold. Let them run DOHC, FI, IRS, or whatever they really come from the factory with.

[gvervoren]

Me personnly, I don't care what they drive cause how much of lets say, Carl Edwards car is actually Ford? Not much. It's basically just a sponsor in todays NASCAR.

There was also a comment made about tickets being available for the Bristol night race. If you noticed, they were still sold out AFTER Toyota was in NASCAR. The sales for Bristol went down when they re-did the track and and made it a boring 2 lane track.

[birdman941]

Originally Posted by gvervoren

Me personnly, I don't care what they drive cause how much of lets say, Carl Edwards car is actually Ford? Not much. It's basically just a sponsor in todays NASCAR.

Who makes the FR9 engine?
Certainly not toiletta

Originally Posted by gvervoren

There was also a comment made about tickets being available for the Bristol night race.
If you noticed, they were still sold out AFTER Toyota was in NASCAR.
The sales for Bristol went down when they re-did the track
and made it a boring 2 lane track.

True to a point.
Once people realized how stupid the COT looked with the ricer wing,
and fans realized how much of the farm Brian "the pansy" France gave away,
people stopped watching, attending and caring.
Dumping the ricer wing hasn't helped,
and the toilets are still there.

[gvervoren]

Originally Posted by birdman941

Who makes the FR9 engine?
Certainly not toiletta

I didn't say none of the car is Ford, there is some Ford parts and engineering on them. The Engine is probably the only part that has anything to do with Ford. Even the FR9 engine isn't entirely Ford's idea. Roush and Yates had lot to do with it too.

Now I'm saying you are doing this but just in general, I hate it when people compare the cars in NASCAR to the cars you can buy off the dealerships. There is basically nothing the same between them except the name.

[bris09]

Originally Posted by gvervoren

The sales for Bristol went down when they re-did the track and and made it a boring 2 lane track.

That's why we gave up our Dover tickets. It went from the Monster Mile to a snooze fest.

They ruined Pocono when they added the infield grandstands and really limited how much of the track you can see from the front stretch. You see a flash when they go by, a little in turn 1, distant view going into the tunnel turn, then not again until they are coming through turn three, and you lose sight until they flash by again.

[bris09]

Originally Posted by gvervoren

Now I'm saying you are doing this but just in general, I hate it when people compare the cars in NASCAR to the cars you can buy off the dealerships. There is basically nothing the same between them except the name.

The Charger would be the closest as it is rearwheel drive and can be bought with a V8.

[02mach1]

Last race of the year, looks like Carl win again,

[falcongtho3]

Now there's a reason to watch this weekends race! The 2012 Boss 302 will pace the race! Woo-hoo!
http://www.stangtv.com/news/2012-bos...race-for-2010/

[311-420]

How about that last truck race boys!!!!!!! Sauter wrecks #18 and he comes back from 22nd with a broken truck and STILL wins!! That, gentlemen, is what being the best looks like!!!

Congrats to him for getting the owners championship wrapped up and in the very first year. Incredible! 16 starts and 8 wins this season with a brand new team....INSANITY!! Congrats Kyle Busch! YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!

[falcongtho3]

Originally Posted by 311-420

Congrats to him for getting the owners championship wrapped up and in the very first year. Incredible! 16 starts and 8 wins this season with a brand new team....INSANITY!! Congrats Kyle Busch! YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!

So, you trading the Mach in on a Camry next week?

I'm really torn on who to root against in the Cup race. None of the three who can take the championship are anywhere in my list of favorites, so I guess I to decide who I can't stand the least. Probably wouln't even watch if the Boss weren't pacing the darn thing.