Another Day Another Recall

[iudelt89]

This is a nightmare. 15.6 million vehicles recalled worldwide, costing $1.7 billion for the recalls, $35 million for HTSA fines, and looming lawsuit similar to the one that cost Toyota a $1.2 billion settlement a few years ago. In 2014 alone they have officially recalled more vehicles than they have sold since the bailout in 2009.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/21/news...html?hpt=hp_t1

[shadowmaker]

They are sending everything over seas to be made in order to save money. Have you looked at the price of a new truck? $39k GM truck doesnt even come with a V8.

They are making them cheaper and it shows.

[iudelt89]

Originally Posted by shadowmaker

They are sending everything over seas to be made in order to save money. Have you looked at the price of a new truck? $39k GM truck doesnt even come with a V8.

They are making them cheaper and it shows.

I thought they were building factories in China to build cars for the Chinese market only?

[bris09]

Originally Posted by iudelt89

I thought they were building factories in China to build cars for the Chinese market only?

That was Jeep.

Not including GM's latest recall over 20 miilion vehicles have been recalled this year. They are thinking the previous record will be broken this year.

The biggest problem with some businesses is the drive for higher profit margins to attract more investors. Unfortunately this means some parts are junk because of inferrior components, weak design, and lack of proper testing. Boeing's battery issue is a good example of this. The test planes did not have a problem with their batteries but the production 787 Dreamliners had a cheaper battery.

GM and boeing are not alone in this. I just read Nest Labs is recalling 440K smoke detectors because they may not alarm as soon as they are supposed. The company I work for had an issue with air valves the other year because of a decision to use a cheaper diode. The original diode lasted years with a life span of over a million cycles. The new diode literally exploded after a few months and a couple thousand cycles.

[shadowmaker]

Originally Posted by iudelt89

I thought they were building factories in China to build cars for the Chinese market only?

Im talking about the parts they put on the cars. Everything is overseas, chinese electronics, etc etc.

[ShkeRttlNroll]

If Ford isnt careful they are going to be in the same boat as GM. The new Focus cvt tranny is junk. Google focus transmission nothing but problems, I know because we have one. Sync recalls out the whazoo and ecoboost heat soak issues on the escape. I believe because the auto manufactures are including so much standard items and safety crap just to keep the price down they use inferior parts and well that leads to all these recalls.

[TKat13]

In engineering, manufacturing , you get what you pay for. Pay for cheap labor and you get terrible or slow output, pay for cheap material and you get subpar parts. Just ask the steel industry in the US, china steel should be criminal, but their cheap prices killed superior US steel... Ripple effect, i see this happening in the software industry as well; I will leave my soap box now.

[Mach351]

Originally Posted by TKat13

Ripple effect, i see this happening in the software industry as well;

+1

in our Q4 2013 release implementation, "technology" actually asked "the business" to accept the deployment from QA into User Acceptance Testing with Sev-1 & Sev-2 issues that had not been fixed.
the release manager told "technology" that we should not even be having this conversation.

I could rant on this stuff forever.

[iudelt89]

Originally Posted by Mach351

+1

in our Q4 2013 release implementation, "technology" actually asked "the business" to accept the deployment from QA into User Acceptance Testing with Sev-1 & Sev-2 issues that had not been fixed.
the release manager told "technology" that we should not even be having this conversation.

I could rant on this stuff forever.

Sounds like we have the same type of job.

[west]

Originally Posted by shadowmaker

Im talking about the parts they put on the cars. Everything is overseas, chinese electronics, etc etc.

I believe that most of the manufactures put a "Domestic Parts %" label on the window stickers. I know for sure that GM does. Most of the ones I have seen on GM vehicles has been 75% domestic or higher. I may be wrong on that figure though because that is just going on my memory and have not recently researched it.

I work for an automotive supplier and the business model that is followed most of the time is the parts are produced/ manufactured in the market where the vehicle will be marketed/ manufactured in. Pretty much all of our parts for any US vehicle is manufactured in the US. The company is currently working on building a plant in Mexico, but to produce parts for vehicles that are only sold in Mexico. Supposedly it saves money on shipping/ handling/ customs, etc. more so than the labor costs, but that is only what the people way above my pay grade say.

[Mach351]

Originally Posted by iudelt89

Sounds like we have the same type of job.

well, actually my secretary does... but i have people skills.

[Thunderbolt]

It all comes down to the managers and upper echelon of the goliath companies in this country. It's a win-win situation for them. They cut labor pay and benefits to the bone and where does that saved money go? Right into managements pockets. Cut product quality with inferior products, and that saved money goes right into managements pockets. Who cares if the company is losing money. Management is still getting their bonuses each year, and they dare you to close the company. Once again, management has a golden parachute and the hourly workers are the ones who get screwed.

[jasionox666x]

Originally Posted by Mach351

+1

in our Q4 2013 release implementation, "technology" actually asked "the business" to accept the deployment from QA into User Acceptance Testing with Sev-1 & Sev-2 issues that had not been fixed.
the release manager told "technology" that we should not even be having this conversation.

I could rant on this stuff forever.

Laziness! !!!!!

Wow. With those sev levels that should not even be thought of doing.

[na svt]

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/automobi...tml/?a=viewall

[na svt]

I guess people don't care about recalls: http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/03/news...html?hpt=hp_t3

[iudelt89]

I certainly will not be one of the people adding to those numbers. I have seen first hand the type of garbage GM has put out over the last 20 years. TBH I would probably go with a Chrysler product over Ford right now to for most models. The Ford line is just largely bland imo. Excluding the performance cars and F-150 of course

[4valve 4tw?]

ALL auto manufacturers make complete bombs, and cut-above-the-rest products. If you think otherwise, you are more then a little blinded by brand loyalty...