Eaton Swap..... - Page 12 - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

GhostRiderblk · 08-11-2009, 11:03 PM

any kits anyone knows of ???? or best place to buy parts?

vtecDIS · 08-20-2009, 11:34 AM

d@mn i want to do this swap so bad!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQkPkuu0CQI

Mustang92 · 08-27-2009, 11:02 PM

Next step in my Eaton/Whipple swap.

UIN2IT · 08-28-2009, 05:31 AM

What kinda boost levels is everyone running safely on a stock bottom end?
What is the hp/tq GAINS you are seeing with the eaton swap (+90hp...+120hp!?)

When doing the eaton are you guys having them ported and such like the Cobra guys do, or would that be too much power for the stock Mach block!?

xXAzureMach1Xx · 09-04-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by xXAzureMach1Xx

Didnt see it in there but dose it matter which wire connects to which wire out of the two wires?

Pretty much the last thing i need to know before i start the swap. Where does the IAT2 sensor get wire to the harness?

help with this. startin on the swap saturday and planning on finishing most of it up monday.

machgsxr · 09-04-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UIN2IT

What kinda boost levels is everyone running safely on a stock bottom end?
What is the hp/tq GAINS you are seeing with the eaton swap (+90hp...+120hp!?)

When doing the eaton are you guys having them ported and such like the Cobra guys do, or would that be too much power for the stock Mach block!?

I can't say before dyno #, but assuming I was at 300/300 which is pretty common for bolt on machs, It was more like +140/+130.

I thought about having mine ported, but didn't have the money. Porting I don't feel would hurt as it's making the power more efficiently rather than adding more boost which would hurt. I think 1 or 2 had a stg. 1 port, but nothing bigger than that.

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Originally Posted by xXAzureMach1Xx

Pretty much the last thing i need to know before i start the swap. Where does the IAT2 sensor get wire to the harness?

help with this. startin on the swap saturday and planning on finishing most of it up monday.

Cut the outside two wires from the maf and run them to either the iat1 or iat2 sensor. I chose to do the iat2 which would be post blower temps.

xXAzureMach1Xx · 09-08-2009, 10:31 PM

should have worded it alittle better. Im using the IAT2 and i have the plug with 4 wires. i know what 2 wires to use on the plug but dont know which wire is the IAT and the SIG RTN when i cut them from the MAF plug.

Mudd92 · 10-12-2009, 07:58 PM

I am planning on starting on my parts search by the end of the year, and was curious. Ive got 98 cobra intake cams, how will these perform with FI? And esp. with a eaton/whipple, maybe kb.

Thanks!

1qkmch · 12-01-2009, 01:34 PM

I might consider selling my stock long block and buying an '04 cobra long block once I have the car paid off next year. The engine swap sounds like the cheapest and easiest route to take. I'm not sure how much money I could get for my stock engine but I would imagine a fair amount, considering it will have under 40k miles on it next year.

TRMach1 · 12-01-2009, 02:26 PM

^^^ I'd give a little more thought about adding the weight of that cast iron block, plus the weight of the blower and accessories to the front end of the Mach. The Aluminator gives you all the benefits of the Cobra engine with the weight advantage of being all aluminum. Less filling, tastes great!

1qkmch · 12-01-2009, 02:31 PM

I guess I could pull the rods and pistons out of the cobra shortblock and swap them into the mach aluminum block, then swap over the upper half of the cobra engine. There's so many options that one could go with.

TRMach1 · 12-01-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qkmch

I guess I could pull the rods and pistons out of the cobra shortblock and swap them into the mach aluminum block, then swap over the upper half of the cobra engine. There's so many options that one could go with.

Most of the differences are in the bottom end, not the top end. The top half of a Terminator and Mach 1 motor are pretty much identical.

1qkmch · 12-01-2009, 02:47 PM

Yes I know, but it's probably easier to buy the whole thing rather than piecing together parts.

ArcAngel · 12-01-2009, 03:10 PM

or just buy a swap kit for alittle over 2 grand. and run 8/9lb of boost
Swap kit is better, then that would allow you to save up for a new shortblock if you need one. I had alittle over 3500 in my swap how ever I done some other stuff, and I just got my whipple in today so its early christmas

1qkmch · 12-01-2009, 03:13 PM

If I could get everything I need as far as the eaton setup goes for around $2000 that would be a good deal. I mainly just want to quit using nitrous. Right now I'm making 422hp 504tq on a 100 shot and I would like to make somewhere around that with the blower. Though I have a goal of hitting 11's N/A before I do anything.

Cgav8t0r · 01-07-2010, 01:11 AM

So based on what I have read, I am better off using the Mach wiring even though I have the cobra harness?

Machdis1 · 01-11-2010, 02:31 PM

Sorry to jack thread, I was curious to know why you have to grind down the block slightly to accpet the 03-04 Intake manifold? why is that, is that just an option or is that mandatory? all though everything was a direct fit, since the mach's use 03-04 Cobra Heads to begin with.

1qkmch · 01-11-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Machdis1

Sorry to jack thread, I was curious to know why you have to grind down the block slightly to accpet the 03-04 Intake manifold? why is that, is that just an option or is that mandatory? all though everything was a direct fit, since the mach's use 03-04 Cobra Heads to begin with.

It's because of the knock sensor bungs. They stick up too far and hit the intake.

ScreamingMach46 · 01-11-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cgav8t0r

So based on what I have read, I am better off using the Mach wiring even though I have the cobra harness?

You only have to modify two sensors on the Mach harness I believe, so you might as well sell the Cobra harness and make some money back.

Machdis1 · 01-11-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qkmch

It's because of the knock sensor bungs. They stick up too far and hit the intake.

thats weird, why aren't they like that on a Terminator.

Scott McClure · 01-11-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Machdis1

thats weird, why aren't they like that on a Terminator.

Because the cast iron Cobra block doesn't have them.

machgsxr · 01-11-2010, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Machdis1

thats weird, why aren't they like that on a Terminator.

No room for them on there?

Machdis1 · 01-13-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McClure

Because the cast iron Cobra block doesn't have them.

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Originally Posted by machgsxr

No room for them on there?

ok, I understand now. I'd Probably just end up doing a Cobra Harness swap and ECU.

machgsxr · 01-13-2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Machdis1

ok, I understand now. I'd Probably just end up doing a Cobra Harness swap and ECU.

Why?

Scott McClure · 01-13-2010, 04:24 PM

No need to use the Cobra harness or computer. Have you read any of the information in this thread?

08-11-2009, 11:03 PM	#276
GhostRiderblk Mammoth mach Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 715	Re: Eaton Swap..... any kits anyone knows of ???? or best place to buy parts?

08-20-2009, 11:34 AM	#277
vtecDIS hunt'n for chevy's Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern CA Posts: 660	Re: Eaton Swap..... d@mn i want to do this swap so bad!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQkPkuu0CQI __________________ 2003 Torched Mach1, IUP, 5spd My Mach is for sale.. http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/...d.php?t=108311 2002 Trans Am WS6 M6. Sold but not forgotten

08-27-2009, 11:02 PM	#278
Mustang92 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 238	Re: Eaton Swap..... Next step in my Eaton/Whipple swap. __________________ 2004 Mach 1 Comp Org - SOLD 1994 Mustang LS Swap - 11.40 @ 117.88 NA / 9.85 @ 134.74 N2O

08-28-2009, 05:31 AM	#279
UIN2IT Doug aka "TK" Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 584	Re: Eaton Swap..... What kinda boost levels is everyone running safely on a stock bottom end? What is the hp/tq GAINS you are seeing with the eaton swap (+90hp...+120hp!?) When doing the eaton are you guys having them ported and such like the Cobra guys do, or would that be too much power for the stock Mach block!? __________________ '03 Black Mach1 w/IUP - 5spd - 306rwhp 312rwtq - SCT Tuner ~ Air diverter ~ 1/2" Intake Spacer ~ CnL 85mm Maf & Trueflow pipe 18" Bullitts 255-40 & 295-35 ~ 10% Tint ~ Painted Calipers ~ Magnaflow Cat-back 3.5" Rolled Tips ~ '03 Cobra IRS ~ H&R/Eibach springs w/Bilstiens ~ FRPP 4.10 gears Mac Pro-Chamber ~ Hurst Short Throw Shifter ~ '01 Cobra Bumper w/Mach Chin spoiler WISH LIST:Full Length SFC's // 4pc March Pulleys // Ported Intake Manifold // Custom grind Cams

09-08-2009, 10:31 PM	#282
xXAzureMach1Xx 04 Mach 1 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pensacola FL Posts: 272	Re: Eaton Swap..... should have worded it alittle better. Im using the IAT2 and i have the plug with 4 wires. i know what 2 wires to use on the plug but dont know which wire is the IAT and the SIG RTN when i cut them from the MAF plug.

10-12-2009, 07:58 PM	#283
Mudd92 03 Mach Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 1,396	Re: Eaton Swap..... I am planning on starting on my parts search by the end of the year, and was curious. Ive got 98 cobra intake cams, how will these perform with FI? And esp. with a eaton/whipple, maybe kb. Thanks! __________________ -03 AB Mach 5spd Accufab TB, BBK LT's, BBK O/R X, Mac Catback, JLT RAI, 98 Cobra intake cams, EBC redstuff pads, slotted drilled rotors, 31 spline mosers, 31 spline cobra posi, 3" studs, FRPP 3:73, welded tubes, smoked tails. Eaton swap! 465hp,425tq @ 15deg and 3.4pulley @ 10lb. T56 magnum! - Tuned by Eric Brooks! Built motor coming soon -95 Chevy C1500 5.7 auto Stock, tow rig and DD. -Joey

12-01-2009, 01:34 PM	#284
1qkmch Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 237	Re: Eaton Swap..... I might consider selling my stock long block and buying an '04 cobra long block once I have the car paid off next year. The engine swap sounds like the cheapest and easiest route to take. I'm not sure how much money I could get for my stock engine but I would imagine a fair amount, considering it will have under 40k miles on it next year. __________________ 03 mach Rear coil overs Built rear O/r h Cai stock 3.55's And a 100 shot 12.11 @ 112mph

12-01-2009, 02:26 PM	#285
TRMach1 Once Bitten-Twice Shy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Castle, Delaware USA Posts: 3,370	Re: Eaton Swap..... ^^^ I'd give a little more thought about adding the weight of that cast iron block, plus the weight of the blower and accessories to the front end of the Mach. The Aluminator gives you all the benefits of the Cobra engine with the weight advantage of being all aluminum. Less filling, tastes great! __________________ Mach1Registry.com Member #7 MCA Member #52787 Nice to meet you, my name's Jim 03 Torch Red Mach 1, 5-speed, IUP *Sold on July 21st 2012!* 2011 Shelby GT500, Ebony Black, Silver Stripes, 6-speed 550hp 510tq Purchased July 23, 2012!

12-01-2009, 02:31 PM	#286
1qkmch Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 237	Re: Eaton Swap..... I guess I could pull the rods and pistons out of the cobra shortblock and swap them into the mach aluminum block, then swap over the upper half of the cobra engine. There's so many options that one could go with. __________________ 03 mach Rear coil overs Built rear O/r h Cai stock 3.55's And a 100 shot 12.11 @ 112mph

12-01-2009, 02:47 PM	#288
1qkmch Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 237	Re: Eaton Swap..... Yes I know, but it's probably easier to buy the whole thing rather than piecing together parts. __________________ 03 mach Rear coil overs Built rear O/r h Cai stock 3.55's And a 100 shot 12.11 @ 112mph

12-01-2009, 03:10 PM	#289
ArcAngel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Charleston,WV Posts: 263	Re: Eaton Swap..... or just buy a swap kit for alittle over 2 grand. and run 8/9lb of boost Swap kit is better, then that would allow you to save up for a new shortblock if you need one. I had alittle over 3500 in my swap how ever I done some other stuff, and I just got my whipple in today so its early christmas __________________ No more toys right now looking for some more...

12-01-2009, 03:13 PM	#290
1qkmch Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 237	Re: Eaton Swap..... If I could get everything I need as far as the eaton setup goes for around $2000 that would be a good deal. I mainly just want to quit using nitrous. Right now I'm making 422hp 504tq on a 100 shot and I would like to make somewhere around that with the blower. Though I have a goal of hitting 11's N/A before I do anything. __________________ 03 mach Rear coil overs Built rear O/r h Cai stock 3.55's And a 100 shot 12.11 @ 112mph

01-07-2010, 01:11 AM	#291
Cgav8t0r Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mobile, Al Posts: 4	Re: Eaton Swap..... So based on what I have read, I am better off using the Mach wiring even though I have the cobra harness?

01-11-2010, 02:31 PM	#292
Machdis1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hamilton NJ Posts: 24	Re: Eaton Swap..... Sorry to jack thread, I was curious to know why you have to grind down the block slightly to accpet the 03-04 Intake manifold? why is that, is that just an option or is that mandatory? all though everything was a direct fit, since the mach's use 03-04 Cobra Heads to begin with.

01-13-2010, 04:24 PM	#300
Scott McClure Mach1 member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: East Haven, CT Posts: 3,349	Re: Eaton Swap..... No need to use the Cobra harness or computer. Have you read any of the information in this thread? __________________ 2011 Mustang GT Grabber Blue Automatic 2003 Mach 1 Whipple 2.3 718 rwhp 735 rwtq @25 psi SOLD

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