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Old 03-05-2011, 10:21 AM   #1
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HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

What is the limit? Im going to E85 for about 650-700 rwhp and am trying to figure out if I need to upgrade my rails and lines as well?
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Old 03-05-2011, 05:15 PM   #2
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

i'm at 554rwhp and fixin to put my power pipe so should be good for a easy 600rwhp. i don't know what the max is, but i'm still good to go

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Old 03-05-2011, 06:54 PM   #3
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

Ive done over 650rwhp on them.
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

i figure i could get 700rwhp out of the stock set up rails and lines before having to switch

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Old 03-08-2011, 03:27 PM   #5
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

On a related note......how big are the stock injectors on the Machs? I"m only looking at heading up to approx. 500HP (Crank). Do I really need to upgrade the stock injectors and Fuel Pump for my Procharger install?
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:13 PM   #6
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

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on a related note......how big are the stock injectors on the machs? I"m only looking at heading up to approx. 500hp (crank). Do i really need to upgrade the stock injectors and fuel pump for my procharger install?
yes...without a doubt!
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:19 PM   #7
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

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On a related note......how big are the stock injectors on the Machs? I"m only looking at heading up to approx. 500HP (Crank). Do I really need to upgrade the stock injectors and Fuel Pump for my Procharger install?
you will need atleast a 39lb if not a 42lb injector and also a different fuel pump. just very wise choice to make, don't go cheap on it, make sure you do all that you need to do to be safe

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Old 03-08-2011, 05:26 PM   #8
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

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On a related note......how big are the stock injectors on the Machs? I"m only looking at heading up to approx. 500HP (Crank). Do I really need to upgrade the stock injectors and Fuel Pump for my Procharger install?
They're only 24 lbs and yes you absolutely need to upgrade them if you supercharge your vehicle. I maxxed them out NA with a stroker build.

As far as the stock rails and lines go, I made 650 rwhp through a C4, so they can sustain quite a bit of power.
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:56 PM   #9
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They're only 24 lbs and yes you absolutely need to upgrade them if you supercharge your vehicle. I maxxed them out NA with a stroker build.

As far as the stock rails and lines go, I made 650 rwhp through a C4, so they can sustain quite a bit of power.
with him not going big hp numbers he will be good. again i'm at 554 and prob will be at 600rwhp here shortly and still not upgrading the fuel lines, maybe down the road, but not needed, but the fuel injectors and pump a mustang. i would suggest anyone to just go ahead and get 60lb injectors that way you have run to grow and they are there and your done on injectors unless you are going crazy hp in the future

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Old 03-09-2011, 05:04 PM   #10
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

Thanks all for the advice. I'm going to go with the fuel pump and injectors that are supplied with the Procharger Complete system.

I've see some online retailers that are also supplying a MAFia (Diablosport?) with their complete systems......I'm assuming this helps with ensuring the stock MAF calibrates correctly with the supercharger added? It's not supplied with Procharger kit, so I'm assuming that they accomplish the same thing via the supplied chip....or optional Diablosport Predator programmer.....??
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Old 03-09-2011, 05:18 PM   #11
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

Remember you guys he says he is going the E85 route. E85 uses a minimum of 1/3 more fuel to make the same hp. He will need to upgrade for 700RWHP using E85!!
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Old 03-13-2011, 08:46 AM   #12
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

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Remember you guys he says he is going the E85 route. E85 uses a minimum of 1/3 more fuel to make the same hp. He will need to upgrade for 700RWHP using E85!!
Exactly. Everyone is giving advice but not for what the OP is using, E85. That changes everything.
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Old 03-13-2011, 09:46 AM   #13
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

Just buy the fuel system for E85 and be done with it.
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Old 03-14-2011, 05:09 PM   #14
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

i guess i was reading too fast, sorry guys

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Old 03-15-2011, 10:07 AM   #15
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

Not sure why anyone would go to E85 when you can just get a tune for C16 and use 93 when driving normally, but if you do go E85, definitely upgrade your entire fuel system.
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:38 PM   #16
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Not sure why anyone would go to E85 when you can just get a tune for C16 and use 93 when driving normally, but if you do go E85, definitely upgrade your entire fuel system.
Because you can use 93 when driving normally and switch to e85 tune for the track and it costs about 5 dollars per gallon less than C16 and has so far been proven to actually make abit more power than C16.
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:58 PM   #17
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

Friend of mine made 712HP at the wheels on E85, dual pumps, BAP, fuel rails and 80# injectors and return style fuel lines. His setup can handle much more than 700HP. However, when he converted to E85 he already had all of this but he had to upgrade his injectors from 60# to 80#.

My point is, you will need some really big injectors to do 700HP with E85!
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:02 PM   #18
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

and... with really big injectors come all the other supporting mods required to support that much fuel flow... pumps, etc.
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Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines

Tripple Fore hat with tripple Ford GT pumps, dual FPDMs with -8 AN fuel lines, Fore fuel rails and 80# injectors setup in a return style will easily support 700+ hp on e85, no BAP required.
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:16 PM   #20
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Tripple Fore hat with tripple Ford GT pumps, dual FPDMs with -8 AN fuel lines, Fore fuel rails and 80# injectors setup in a return style will easily support 700+ hp on e85, no BAP required.
That's a nice setup!

I think I have pump envy. lol
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:22 PM   #21
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Tripple Fore hat with tripple Ford GT pumps, dual FPDMs with -8 AN fuel lines, Fore fuel rails and 80# injectors setup in a return style will easily support 700+ hp on e85, no BAP required.
Fore fuel hats are so nice looking, just couldn't spend the moeny on one

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