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02-19-2008, 12:05 PM | #1 |
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Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
Starting the new project soon with Jeff Chambers of CRT Performance. Eliminating EFI system and going carbureted. Components will be a Sullivan 1-101B open pelenium intake, Proform 650 cfm series racing carb, Zex perimeter nitrous plate.
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02-19-2008, 12:07 PM | #2 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
jesus..phil....BIG TIME NOW!!!!!!!! will be following this thread!
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02-19-2008, 01:17 PM | #3 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
have you built your motor yet?
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02-19-2008, 04:14 PM | #4 | |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
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Why not direct port and run a wet system ?
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02-19-2008, 04:47 PM | #5 | |
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But less hp then the wet set-up ? How many miles are on your stock longblock ? PS I received your letter today . I will be sending you a chk off tomorrow . Bill
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02-19-2008, 08:02 PM | #6 | |
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Sounds quite interesting Phil . Will the computer be able to tune for carburetor ? Very cool Phil ! Me likes ! No more shaker or hood ?
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02-19-2008, 10:33 PM | #7 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
If you are going carb, why stick with the small displacement mod motor? Get yourself a Man-O-War block, punch it out to 4.125 bore, 4 stroke so you have a 427 small block. Then add the carb and bottle and start shooting for deep in the 9s
From the dyno numbers I've seen on carbed mod motor setups, they make some nice peak numbers but area under the curve is sacrificed. Definitely interested to see your results with the same amount of nitrous. Tony
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02-20-2008, 12:57 PM | #8 | |
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In the MM&FF Dec 2007 issue, a 4.6l DOHC intake dyno test was done on every type EFI & carb intake avaliable for this motor. It's a very good article and very interesting. A Sean Hyland 405 hp built motor was used that has ported heads & stage 1 cams and 1.625" primary Hooker Headers. With the factory EFI intake setup it produced 408hp. The Sullivan with a 750 Holley produced 436 hp. Like you were saying the area under the curve is way down. Not the choice I would go for a street machine. Jeff Chambers got me thinking a little while back when he was talking to me about possibly going carbureted. Then when I ran accross a new Sullivan 1-101B intake for $500 shipped, I jumped on it. For the track, I like the idea and am willing to give it a shot, especially with the nitrous on this setup and backing it up with a Liberty Gears modified/face plated TKO 500.
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02-20-2008, 01:05 PM | #9 | |
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02-20-2008, 01:10 PM | #10 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
Hey...that plate looks familiar!
The only thing is that mine is run as a "second stage".......DP is the primary! Naz |
02-20-2008, 01:13 PM | #11 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
Hey Phil...one quick note.
Ensure that you clear the perimeter plate on the sully base. I put mine on a mill and then finished by hand. There is a good 1/8 inch lip all around (the plate is larger). I did a flow "test" and the lip WILL disrupt flow a bit. My .02 Naz |
02-20-2008, 01:17 PM | #12 | |
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I see it all now ! Sweet Naz . Going to look good Phil ! Hey Naz i understand the plate in Phils set-up . Why not go direct port on yours ?
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02-20-2008, 01:20 PM | #13 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
Phil, did you ever try an Al Pappito 5" short runner intake on your car? That should have solved any puddling issues and have the same top end pull as the carb intake.
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02-20-2008, 01:20 PM | #14 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
I do have a DP on mine. Its the primary system. The ZEX plate will play the "second stage". I have a NX digital controller (Maximazer (SP)) to regulate flow, by RPM by gear by stage.
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02-20-2008, 01:23 PM | #15 | |
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NAZ, Yes, I have mocked it up and I'm writing a program to run on a CNC machine to match port the intake opening to the ZEX plate. Thanks for the input and your setup looks awesome!!!
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Thats the one that i am running . Although i dont have that problem . Quote:
Why run the 2nd stage there ? Why not in the same location ?
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02-20-2008, 01:40 PM | #17 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
Thanks for the offer Bill. I want to stay with the 500's gearing which is the same as the 3650. It will have their enchanced surface finish on all the gears (Mikroniting) and have a 26 spline input like the 600. Also, 2nd & 3rd will be face platted.
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02-22-2008, 11:54 AM | #18 |
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Just pulled the entire intake assembly off this morning. Here is a weight comparrison.
Factory intake assembly with factory throttle body, fuel injectors/rails, PHP spacer 30.25 lbs. Shaker scoop/bracket assembly 17.25 lbs K&N CAI/filter 6.38 lbs. Total = 53.88 lbs Sullivan intake 12.68 lbs Proform Carb 9.7 lbs Air Filter 3 lbs Zex perimeter plate 1.0 lbs Wilson Manifolds 1" tapered 4 bore spacer 1.0 lbs Total = 27.38 lbs About 26.5 lbs will be removed from the motor.
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02-25-2008, 07:26 AM | #19 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
I will probably be going with this fuel tank setup and have two -8an sump outlets for 2 seperate fuel pumps.
http://www.glennsperformance.com/?mu...uel-tank-98-04
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02-25-2008, 08:10 PM | #20 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
Some more mock up pics with the Proform 650 series racing double pumper carb & Zex perimeter nitrous plate:
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02-25-2008, 08:51 PM | #21 |
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That is some pretty hardware . Very nice . Just let it stick out the opening of the hood . LOL
When do you think you will get it finished . It looks beautiful .
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02-25-2008, 11:11 PM | #22 |
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Re: Custom Intake Carbureted & Nitrous Setup
Lookin' really nice, Phil... I pulled the intake on my mach1 for the first time, yesterday. I have a secondary chain tensioner that's bad (nylon came off the guide/rail) on the driver's side. These modulars kinda suck to work on compared to 5.0L stuff.
I like how clean/simplified you're setup looks... very nice! Are you still going to be using the NX 'noids??
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Id have a C.F. hood fabricated to fit your application .
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03-01-2008, 07:37 PM | #24 |
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Phil, heres the nitrous fuel system. Sorry I took so long.
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03-01-2008, 08:48 PM | #25 | |
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Some pictures.
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