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Old 09-13-2020, 09:51 PM   #1
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Welp my engine is dead....

So it comes down to this, I've got 160,000+ miles on my 4.6L and I don't drive the car very often anymore because I daily ride a motorcycle 99% of the time. From what I can tell, I might have broken a connecting rod or main bearing. I'm guessing bad main bearing. There is metal glitter in the oil I drained this morning with some slightly larger chunks so I know for sure the motor is done.

The real question here is do I try to salvage my 03 Mach 1 or do I just walk away from the car. I've had it about 10 years and it has given me overall GREAT service/reliability. The only issue I ever had with the car leaving me out in the cold was the fuel pump went out on me at 120,000 miles. Other than that, it has just been minor issues here and there.

My plans for the car were to yank the 4.6L and do a coyote swap if the motor ever went out on me but I was hoping to do that in another 1-3 years after I moved back to SoCal. I don't have the space/work area to do it where I live now and I certainly don't want to pay a shop 10K to RnR the motor and have it rebuilt. Even if I RnR the motor myself I feel like I'm going to end up somewhere in the 6-8K range.

What do you guys think? Is it worth fixing the old girl? She isn't in perfect shape by any stretch and does need a small amount of body work. At the same time, I would essentially be calling up a scrapper to come take it after I pull my T56 Magnum and a few other choice parts out of her. I'd end up with nothing for it. I'm a bit torn on this one because it is just at the tipping point where fixing it could make sense but at the same time I don't want to end up with the same mostly stock Mach 1 I've been driving for the last 10 years if I put a ton of money into the car. It feels like 10K to get my motor back to stock isn't a smart investment.
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Old 09-14-2020, 09:06 AM   #2
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Re: Welp my engine is dead....

the big issue is if the crank will be re-usable or not as the forged cranks can be hard to come by now. You can upgrade with terminator rods etc... pretty cheap and cheap put a better piston in it to upgrade. At that mileage though you're still looking at new timing components, seats, seals etc...

the alternative being to go find a marauder take out or something like that, wouldnt be any stronger but much cheaper
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Old 09-14-2020, 11:49 AM   #3
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Re: Welp my engine is dead....

have you thought about finding a 03/04 cobra motor and putting that in there?
I've seen over the years where you can find the whole thing for sale.
can you post pictures of the Mach?
Another thought is try selling it and buying another Mach.

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Old 09-14-2020, 12:01 PM   #4
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Ford-M...0AAOSwKfVfOuR8

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Old 09-14-2020, 07:33 PM   #5
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Re: Welp my engine is dead....

So very heavy. Iron block as well as the additional weight of the blower makes for a very different car. A coyote (or a new Aluminator)swap would make more sense, and even more power.

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Old 09-14-2020, 07:51 PM   #6
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Thanks for the reply guys. If I had the space to pull the motor at my house I wouldn't let this car go. I've loved my Mach 1 even as it has aged and been slower compared to modern cars it has always felt like the right car for me. I had plans to do a coyote swap on it eventually but that was going to be when I moved back to SoCal (which should have already happened thanx COVID). As it stands, it looks like I will be living here for about another 6-12 months.

I don't know how bad off the crank is but I think it will probably be salvageable. The shop I talked to told me that local machine shops will charge between 8-10K to do the rebuild of the motor. Combine that with the 3500 they want to RnR the motor and I think I'm going to have to give up on her.

The only way this would be in my budget to rebuild would be if I could get a good motor in the 3-4 grand range and up here in the PWN I don't think that is going to happen. Maybe back in LA I could find something in that price range. I know I could get that motor rebuilt cheaper (and probably better) back in SoCal. Plus if I was back home I'd have the space to work on the car and do the RnR myself. All the motors I saw on ebay were higher mileage than my existing motor so I really didn't want to jump on any of those and who knows if they are really in good shape at all anyways?
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Those prices to fix and RnR it are absurd. So will be the price a salvage yard will give you. What's stopping you from waiting until you get home and fixing it when the situation is more ideal? Get another cheap car/truck in the mean time.
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Old 09-15-2020, 02:57 AM   #8
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I felt the RnR price was about 1500 too high IMO but that shop charges 175/hr for labor. Also, the general area I'm in is full of rich people with money coming out of their ears and no idea what to do with it all. I'm going to check in with a local machine shop. Turns out one of my "neighbors" is a retired Ford master mechanic and pointed me in the direction of the machine shop he uses. He said the motor is not a cheap rebuild regardless but these guys are likely going to be more reasonable.

I'm trying to figure out if I could realistically drop the motor out from the bottom with the K member still attached. Anyone know how high I need to lift the car to accomplish that?

I suppose I could just keep the car and wait but I didn't want to have to see it there dead in the garage every day. I'm probably 9 months out from moving. Plus then I'd have to ship the car or tow it back home where it would sit for months before I could work on it. I feel like if I keep it and don't do anything to it, I'm 2 years out before turning a wrench on it at all.
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Old 09-15-2020, 04:55 AM   #9
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Re: Welp my engine is dead....

https://www.moddedmustangs.com/threa...bottom.215854/

Here is a thread where they are talking about it,
from what it sounds like it will be easier to pull it from the top. you could just rent an engine puller. I think you will have to jack up the car really high to get it out from what pictures I saw vs just pulling from the top.

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Old 09-15-2020, 08:48 AM   #10
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I guess it all depends on how much you love your Mach, since you have had it so long. It will suck to see it sitting there, but would it be worth the wait? That is a question you'll have to answer. Again, it comes down to how much does this Mach mean to you.

Have you thought about just having it fixed? Meaning just get whatever is the problem fix and do not worry about doing all the other stuff.

Honestly, instead of calling the scrapper, either sell it as a roller or part it out with what ever is left over.

Again these are things you will have to choose.

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Old 09-15-2020, 09:19 AM   #11
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Re: Welp my engine is dead....

3500 to R&R is absurd!

I dropped my driveline out the bottom in my garage easy enough. I used 6 regular size jackstands - 2 under the axle, all the way up, 2 under the weld in subframe connectors and 2 under the front suspension. One everything was disconnected i used a trans jack on the trans and jack under the K member. I lowered it down leaving the trans on trans jack and K member on 2 HF wheel dollies. I used the engine hoist hooked to the front crash bar picked up the nose of the car, just rotating it on the rear stands. I rolled it all out through the wheel well (remove the liner for more head room.
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I don't think I can pull the motor out the top, I don't have the space lengthwise in my garage and my driveway doesn't add much either as it is made of pavers and gets steep rather quickly. Also my garage is short, not even 8 feet to the rafters and the garage door is probably low 7 feet so I'm concerned about the height of the boom arm on the picker. If I'm going to do it, I'll probably have to do it from the bottom.

I have a T56 Magnum in the car so I figured I'd drop the trans out first on its own and leave the bell attached to the motor, that should make it way easier to get the motor out with the K member. If I had to, I could yank the K and lower the motor on its own for a little additional clearance.

Going out the wheel well sounds like it might be the way to go with this motor but I'll need to get the car up off the ground. Maybe use something like a portable quick jack and build some cribbing under it to get it higher off the ground? A good scissor lift is not cheap. I also don't own a picker or a trans jack but I could get one of those trans jack adapters from HF, I've used them in the past to put a trans in, not great but it works.

I'm going to talk to a machine shop this morning on the way to work and see what this might cost going direct to the shop.

ASh, with the amount of metal particulate in the oil, if I just replaced the wiped bearing and ran the motor I'd essentially be grinding the motor to bits over time. Changing the main bearing and then oil a bunch of extra times won't fix this, the block needs to be stripped bare and hot tanked to really do this right. Any short cut fix will result in catastrophic failure of the motor, I'd guess in less than 5000 miles. Then it won't be rebuildable.

Also ASh, you hit it on the nose, I need to figure out how much I'm going to regret letting this car go. Right now I could literally go buy another Mach 1 that probably has less miles on it for what I'm looking at paying to rebuild it.

I typed all this up this morning and forgot to hit the reply button.....
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yes you could go buy another one, which I just bought mine for $10K that has a bunch of goodies on it.

Mods include: Black 17' FR500's, BBK Longtubes, BBK O/R Hpipe, Magnaflow Catback, PHP Intake Spacer, C&L MAF / CAI, 4'10's, Steeda TriAx Shifter, Moser 31 Splines, 34 lb injectors, bigger fuel pump, Rebuilt tranny, clutch, new brakes and a built DSS Stroker (5.0) with Comp XER Cams.

Approx 75k on the body, with only about 5k on the built motor.

They are out there, while this one isn't my 04 SY that I put so much time and effort into, this 03 OW mach is working out well.

I would say, pull the T56 out and then sell what you want from your mach and find another one.


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I stopped by the machine shop that was recommended to me by my neighbor. They want about the same amount to reman the motor as the shop said it would likely cost. Looks like a reman is out in this area.

I called a Mustang specific wrecking yard today and they told me they don't have a motor for the Mach but if they did it would be 3000 which is fairly reasonable. They said a gen 1 Coyote swap would run me 7000 with the wiring, ECU exhaust manifolds and cats. They don't have a coyote swap in stock at the moment either. They did say that they get coyote swaps fairly often and Mach motors a few times a year. At this point I'm going to hang out for a month and see where this goes. If nothing reasonable comes up in the next month I'll see about making a tougher (emotionally) decision.
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Sounds good, keep us updated,
Just please if you do the coyote swap, leave the shaker on.
breaks my heart when I see mach owners take the shaker off. There is a way to mount it to the hood.

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Old 09-16-2020, 12:42 PM   #16
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I have decided that at this point in time I don't have the space to do a coyote swap. I am going to go with a replacement motor if I can get my hands on one for 3000. I'm going to time box this down to 2 months and then reevaluate to see if I still want to do this if I haven't found a motor by then.

If I end up keeping the car I will eventually coyote swap it. Don't worry, when I do the swap I will 100% keep the shaker. It is what makes the car a Mach 1. I was planing on reusing the existing brackets on the coyote motor with whatever mods are needed to get it mounted in the right spot. The goal would be to keep it functional if I can.
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About the coyote swap, and mods in general- Are you up to speed on how smog shops and referee stations are operating these times in California?
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Yes, unless something has changed quite a bit in the last few years. As long as it comes out of a newer year of the same model car you can do the swap legally. All you have to do is fill out the paperwork and make sure the DMV knows that you are now smoging the car as, for example, a 2011 Mustang GT. I just have to make sure to use all the factory smog equipment from the donor car, including the cats and I SHOULD be good to go.
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Yes, unless something has changed quite a bit in the last few years. As long as it comes out of a newer year of the same model car you can do the swap legally. All you have to do is fill out the paperwork and make sure the DMV knows that you are now smoging the car as, for example, a 2011 Mustang GT. I just have to make sure to use all the factory smog equipment from the donor car, including the cats and I SHOULD be good to go.
I've read about people having trouble getting through with aftermarket stuff. Even tunes. Everything aftermarket has to have a carb # etc. That's good they will let people update their cars to keep them on the road. A coyote swap would be killer. I guess you could mate that magnum t56 to it?
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I've read about people having trouble getting through with aftermarket stuff. Even tunes. Everything aftermarket has to have a carb # etc. That's good they will let people update their cars to keep them on the road. A coyote swap would be killer. I guess you could mate that magnum t56 to it?
Ya, almost everything that attaches to the motor has to have a carb number. Most smog guys won't know how to check for a custom tune, only if you go to a smog ref that is really good will they catch it. Technically a tune isn't legal at all but as long as all the self tests stay enabled and all the parts they can see have carb numbers, it is REALLY hard for them to actually fail you for a tune. If you disable your MIL in the tune a decent regular smog guy will catch it.

Basically as long as I do nothing to the motor and keep it bone stock, I will pass through just fine if my paperwork is in order. I also think they send you to the super anal smog ref for the first smog check when you file the paperwork but I'm not 100% sure on that.

I haven't lived in CA for 5 years and haven't kept up with all of the laws. I do know they changed the laws on cats since I left. So if my cats on my car go I'm required to upgrade them to the newer more expensive kind. I've been told junkyards can't even sell you factory cats and exhaust shops will get in trouble for welding in anything that doesn't meet a certain CARB standard even if it is has a CARB number and is better than what the car initially came with. They really screwed the Fox Body crowd with that. Not sure if that one stuck but a lot of my friend were pissed about it.
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I'm sorry but just for that reason I wouldn't live in CA, along with many other reasons, but that would be my first reason.

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I have decided that at this point in time I don't have the space to do a coyote swap. I am going to go with a replacement motor if I can get my hands on one for 3000. I'm going to time box this down to 2 months and then reevaluate to see if I still want to do this if I haven't found a motor by then.

If I end up keeping the car I will eventually coyote swap it. Don't worry, when I do the swap I will 100% keep the shaker. It is what makes the car a Mach 1. I was planing on reusing the existing brackets on the coyote motor with whatever mods are needed to get it mounted in the right spot. The goal would be to keep it functional if I can.
Good man, that is correct, it is what makes the mach a mach is that shaker. I am almost shocked when I don't see the stripe one one too, lol
i'm thinking of removing the pin stripe part as part of it is coming off from age, but not the middle big one, I like that one.

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I'm sorry but just for that reason I wouldn't live in CA, along with many other reasons, but that would be my first reason.

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A lot of the rules/laws in CA totally suck but it is still an awesome place to live if you can get over or get around the laws.

I found a solution to dropping the motor out of the bottom of the car in my smaller garage. Somehow I've never heard of it but there is a product called a MaxJax. It is a "portable" low rise 2 post lift. It will fit in my garage and it will be relatively easy to take with me when I move. I've always wanted a lift at my house and this thing should serve me well for all kinds of projects. Of course once my friends find out I have one, they are going to bug me to use it all the time.

I'm calling the wrecking yard tomorrow to get on a wait list for the motor. A motor + this 2 post will still be inside my budget so it looks like I'm going to try and keep her on the road.
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Sounds good, i'm a native Texan, so that should say it all about going to CA, lol

Sad all the fires that go on there in CA.

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The shop I talked to told me that local machine shops will charge between 8-10K to do the rebuild of the motor. Combine that with the 3500 they want to RnR the motor and I think I'm going to have to give up on her.

Ya Id walk away from that estimate myself!! so far out in left field!!

I built a stroked, cammed terminator motor, 6K, that included all machine cost, fresh valve job, etc, even had the valve cover powered coated!!

Re and Re ran 1K!!

shop around...or better yet coyote swap it, now a days they make it so easy to do!!
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