NFL Football Thread

[Thunderbolt]

What was Berger ever convicted of? If they traded players everytime someone got continually busted for something you'd have entire teams being traded. The Bengals and Cowboys would'nt have had a team. Do I think Vick is still a scumbag? Yes. I knew he'd be back in the league before he ever did one day in jail. He did 2 years when the average schmoe would have done 10 years.

[gbranton]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

What was Berger ever convicted of? If they traded players everytime someone got continually busted for something you'd have entire teams being traded. The Bengals and Cowboys would'nt have had a team. Do I think Vick is still a scumbag? Yes. I knew he'd be back in the league before he ever did one day in jail. He did 2 years when the average schmoe would have done 10 years.

The Bears seem to have no problem jettisoning problem players such as Cedric Benson or Tank Johnson and yet they still win games.

Not only do I think Vick is still a scumbag, I think all his public appearances and all his sincere statements of remorse are just an act to get another shot at $100,000,000.00.

[NTMAREMACH]

Personally I don't have hatred for any team and love to watch a good game. There are so many good players out there that I don't only have to watch the Pats play to enjoy a Sunday of football. Pittsburgh is a great team and has proved that by the 6 SB wins. Now players in particular I can hate. Hate may be a harsh word but I agree with most that Vick is the biggest scumbag there is. Is he good, yes do I think he should be playing in the NFL. NO
I guess that not to much can compare to viciously killing helpless animals.

[Thunderbolt]

I could see remorse if he did it once, but to keep killing dog after dog after the first one, then their is no remorse. He would have done it a thousand more times if he was'nt busted.

[kiler be]

Originally Posted by gbranton

Not only do I think Vick is still a scumbag, I think all his public appearances and all his sincere statements of remorse are just an act to get another shot at $100,000,000.00.

:ORANGE:+1 The NFL want to cash in too. Look at how much time is spent showing how much he has changed and all the GOOD he his doing, before, during and after every game the Eagles play.

[np_mach1]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

What was Berger ever convicted of? If they traded players everytime someone got continually busted for something you'd have entire teams being traded. The Bengals and Cowboys would'nt have had a team. Do I think Vick is still a scumbag? Yes. I knew he'd be back in the league before he ever did one day in jail. He did 2 years when the average schmoe would have done 10 years.

Being a Steeler Fan I was upset with Ben because this wasn't his first rodeo. You heard about how he was a womanizer before all of this came out. How he treated business owners in Pittsburgh, and just the fact he felt he was better than most.

Granted he was never convicted of anything, but I believe a rapist/ molestor is far worse than a dog killer.

Originally Posted by gbranton

The Bears seem to have no problem jettisoning problem players such as Cedric Benson or Tank Johnson and yet they still win games.

Not only do I think Vick is still a scumbag, I think all his public appearances and all his sincere statements of remorse are just an act to get another shot at $100,000,000.00.

Look back at the Steeler history of players that have been cut, even recently they cut Santonio. Ben is one of the only people they kept around, to my knowledge.

I 100% do not agree with your assessment of Vick. I believe people can change and deserve the right to change.

[Thunderbolt]

Originally Posted by np_mach1

Granted he was never convicted of anything, but I believe a rapist/ molestor is far worse than a dog killer

I 100% do not agree with your assessment of Vick. I believe people can change and deserve the right to change.

Wow. So a guy not covicted of anything is worse than a covicted dog killer, and were suppose to forgive Vick and bury Berger. Sorry, makes no sense to me.

[gbranton]

Originally Posted by np_mach1

Granted he was never convicted of anything, but I believe a rapist/ molestor is far worse than a dog killer.

I 100% do not agree with your assessment of Vick. I believe people can change and deserve the right to change.

I agree that a rapist/molestor is worse than a dog killer, but not by much. It takes the same kind of heart to do both things.

I also agree that most people can change and deserve the right to change. People make mistakes, I get that, I've made plenty. But I think that there is a huge difference between someone who loses his temper and gets in a fight or who steals something without thinking about it and a person who can look an animal in the eye while it is begging for mercy and burn it, electrocute it, drown it or beat it to death. THAT person has something inside of them that is BROKEN. Something broken that is in the core of who that person is and something broken that is not going to be fixed in 18 months. One of the personality traits that almost all serial killers possess is that they tortured animals at some point during their lives working their way up to slaughtering human beings. Can a guy like Ted Bundy seem very charming? Intellegent? Remorseful? Why I bet for $100,000,000.00 and a shot at getting his old life back old Ted would speak to NOW, make PSAs and tell anyone who would listen how sorry he was. How he'd like to get a woman of his own someday and settle down, just like Vick wistfully speaks of getting a dog. Would it change who he is or what he did? Not one bit.

I never wanted to see Vick back on the football field as long as I lived, now that he's there I want to see him get crushed. He's garbage and always will be in my eyes. Too bad he's also a GREAT football player.

You seem like a great guy and a passionate fan, but as much as I enjoy talking football with you we will always disagree on this one.

[Thunderbolt]

Vick did a paultry 2 years in some Hilton Hotel prison, then gets to go back to his old job after committing a felony. Kick his butt to the curb with nothing, just like any of us would have, then we'll see how he'd get back on his feet and completely change his life around. He did'nt have to do squat to get his life back.

[serviceman1]

I thaught this was a football thread not a whos who of convicts. Go PATS Best record in football again there seems to bo a pattern around here

[Thunderbolt]

If it's a pattern like a couple years ago, that's fine with me.

[gbranton]

Originally Posted by serviceman1

I thaught this was a football thread not a whos who of convicts.

Same thing.

[un gm]

Meaningless, but it will be a good week since Cowboys beat eagles. Looking for a different eagles next week though......

[Big Ron]

Originally Posted by un gm

Meaningless, but it will be a good week since Cowboys beat eagles. Looking for a different eagles next week though......

Go Cowboys! They took 58 minutes to barely beat the Eagles third string.






Big Ron

[serviceman1]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

If it's a pattern like a couple years ago, that's fine with me.

if you mean beating on on AFC teams at home sounds good to me to. Good beating on the brownies by the way

[np_mach1]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

Wow. So a guy not covicted of anything is worse than a covicted dog killer, and were suppose to forgive Vick and bury Berger. Sorry, makes no sense to me.

If he raped your daughter, but wasn't convicted, would he be a bad guy?

I never said bury him. Just send him to the next team.

[np_mach1]

Originally Posted by gbranton

You seem like a great guy and a passionate fan, but as much as I enjoy talking football with you we will always disagree on this one.

Respect :THUMBSUP:

[np_mach1]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt

If it's a pattern like a couple years ago, that's fine with me.

haha... now where is Baltimore when you need them???

[02mach1]

Looks like saints have easy win over seawaks

[np_mach1]

Wildcard round playoff predictions?

Packers @ Eagles
Saints @ Seahawks
Ravens @ Chiefs
Jets @ Colts

My picks:

Eagles
Saints
Ravens
Colts

Who do you guys have?

[serviceman1]

Originally Posted by np_mach1

Wildcard round playoff predictions?

Packers @ Eagles
Saints @ Seahawks
Ravens @ Chiefs
Jets @ Colts

My picks:

Eagles
Saints
Ravens
Colts

Who do you guys have?

Packers
Saints
cheifs
colts

[gbranton]

Packers, Saints, Ravens and Colts.

[FordMan]

Packers, Saints, Ravens, Jets

[24kmach]

And a little voice says GO SEAHAWKS




Sent by the 12th man

[Thunderbolt]

Originally Posted by 24kmach

And a little voice says GO SUCKHAWKS

(Flips coin) Packers
'Aints
Ravens
Colts