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02-25-2015, 05:21 PM | #76 |
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Idle is perfect. Looks like low timing, adjusting the IAC through the tune, and dashpot decay was the trick. I also needed to adjust the idle adder for startup as it was only set for 1 second, making it want to stall on startup trying to drop to 700rpms immediately after crank.
Need to replace a bad front o2, do some mild tweaking of the MTF, and it will be WOT tuning time! Can't wait to see how it runs with my timing ideas to help low-mid rpm power. Then it will be e85 time! I have a free hour of dyno time at my old tuners shop, so I'm going to show up and get it dyno'd on e85 and surprise him that I tuned it myself. Maybe do a little tune tweaking on the dyno as well.
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02-25-2015, 10:03 PM | #77 |
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When u get on the dyno b sure to alowly add timingon the way up and monitor knock. Also try and let the car cool between runs to make your starting point the same. IAT ECT. on e85 i would think 18 degrees to start and fo from there. How much boost you running?
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02-27-2015, 09:35 AM | #78 |
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What does re-scaling the tune mean? I read about it a little in the tuning guide but still don't fully understand it. How soon do you guys hit the 63#/min air flow cap in the MTF? My projection hits it at ~800 MAF counts so my remaining points just flat line. Pretty amazing how much more air flow the car sees with boost and how quickly load increases.
The BP Modifier method seems to be the preferred method? So you double the BP modifier values manually, then cut the MTF in half, and then? Just retune the MAF and you are good to go? This seems like the best way to go. Well seems like the BP modifier method works. I'm going to need to adjust the points on the MTF to have more even gaps between data points because now my low end is more sensitive to minor adjustments. But once I get it dialed in this should fix any WOT worries. Boost is about 9lbs, once it warms up it will drop to 7ish.
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02-27-2015, 09:38 PM | #80 |
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Yup^ as for rescaling the tune I also did this to mine. By your post i assume you figured it out?
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02-28-2015, 12:58 AM | #82 |
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The o2 sensors just read the ratio of oxygen to fuel in a given sample. So the computer adjusts fueling through stft so the sample of exhaust reaches 14:1 in closed loop. The mtf predicts the what flow of air through the maf will ultimately translate to that ratio after combustion. Once it knows the fuel needed for that ratio, that the base fuel table can be used to determine the fuel added to reach the lamba desired in the base fuel table. Forcing open loop and changing the bft across the board will prove this theory if the mtf is accurate.
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02-28-2015, 09:41 AM | #84 | |
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02-28-2015, 06:50 PM | #85 |
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I can set it to whatever i want since my car is tuned in open loop only and doesn't use the o2's at all. That being said the tune will not change.
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02-28-2015, 08:49 PM | #87 |
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I mapped my entire mtf using open loop and 14.7 afr ratio with the base fuel table at 1.0. Of course projected the counts over 500ish and set the base fuel table at .75 for high load. I saw 11.0 Afr throughout my WOT pull within 5%. Barely had to tweak it. I changed before 4k to .8 in the base fuel table without changing the mtf so we will see if my afr changes when I do more testing tomorrow.
Do you all disable your knock sensors? Mine was pulling max retard at 11.0 afr, 40 degree iats, and 10 degrees max timing with them enabled. So I just shut them off under 5k for now.
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02-28-2015, 09:52 PM | #88 | |
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If thats the case then set the base fuel table to 17.0afr @ wot and be sure to datalog it and post it up for us.
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Now my car is mainly a track car and is one of the fastest on this site and if it was a mild modded car or a car that is driven on the street a lot I would use the o2's and tune the car using the fuel tables to control a/f ratios. the way I tune mine might not be the same as the way others would tune their car but the drivability is excellant all thru the different load ranges and at WOT. Tuning a car with 160lb injectors with a BW S482 billet turbo isn't too easy when the boost kicks in and you go from 500 counts to 900+ in a little of a second.
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02-28-2015, 10:54 PM | #91 |
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I also have the knock sensors turned off and not hooked up. Don't need the computer pulling timing when I'm trying to win a race at the track.
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03-02-2015, 12:54 PM | #92 |
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Any fix as to why it was throwing a lot of fuel at one bank? Mine is doing the same thing. I replaced the o2 sensor and it was great for a day, and now it is throwing 25% fuel at the drivers side so it starts to run like trash. I guess I could limit the closed loop stft correction to 5%, or just leave it in open loop like I've been doing. I think it has a slight leak from the primary but nothing that bad. The location on the collector is less than optimal, and its at 9 o'clock.
I think the tuning guide mentioned that it was challenging to tune large turbo cars because the maf counts will flatline even though the car will continue to make power, so it will start to go lean. And you had to use the fuel multipliers or the base fuel table to get more fuel.
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If your only seeing it on one bank then its not a maf error its a exhaust leak, bad/lazy o2 is it Adding fuel i assume?
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Glad to see others tuning their cars as well.
I purchased the PRP softwre from lasotta with his tuning guide. It has been helpful but I have already learned a lot from this thread. I gotta do a bunch of work on my MTF since when I start the car up cold it idles in the 18-20 af range lol. BTW car is down because I think I have a vacuum leak where the lower manifold sits between the heads.
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Bosch sensor. I just replaced it. I should have picked up motorcraft ones. Yes adding fuel stft is 1.25. Maybe the leak is worse than I thought.
Welcome to the tuning party SLOWHITE.
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03-03-2015, 09:44 AM | #97 |
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It's crazy how these parts can be sub-par compared to motorcraft, but still make it in the market. COP's are like that too. I only buy them from Ford.
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Sounds like u have a vacuum/exhaust leak.
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Is it still 1.25 after you replaced the o2 with the Motorcraft one?
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