Trivia for today - Page 32 - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

falcongtho3 · 06-12-2005, 07:51 AM

For today...
Not counting 'tuner cars' like Shelby, Saleen, etc., what were the first Mustangs to come with 18" wheels and tires? 17"? 16"? 15"?

RnJstel · 06-12-2005, 08:27 AM

Off the top of my head and without digging through my Mustang Melvin books,

The first 15's should be the 10-hole wheel set on the 85 Gt?? I think the TRX was a 14. The Boss 429 had a wacky size for 69 maybe it was a 15?

The First 16 was the 84 SVO.

The First 17 was the 95 Cobra R???

Phil · 06-12-2005, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

For today...
Not counting 'tuner cars' like Shelby, Saleen, etc., what were the first Mustangs to come with 18" wheels and tires? 17"? 16"? 15"?

The 2000 Cobra R came with 18" wheels... I think this would be the first factory production Mustang to come with 18" wheels.

falcongtho3 · 06-12-2005, 10:10 AM

Right on the 16" and 18"...waiting fo rthe correct answer on the 15" (this one WILL surprise you) and the 17"...

Phil · 06-12-2005, 10:14 AM

The 1964 1/2 first year Mustang came with 14"

Phil · 06-12-2005, 10:23 AM

1967 Shelby GT 350 came first with the 15" wheels...

Phil · 06-12-2005, 10:28 AM

1993 Cobra R came with 17" wheels.

ponygt65 · 06-12-2005, 11:38 AM

The first car to get 15" was the first generation (64.5-65) K-code. It was an option, but it was a factory option. Rotunda 15"........maybe you weren't talking about options???

falcongtho3 · 06-12-2005, 11:53 AM

The '65 with the Competition Suspension Option was the first Mustang to have a 15" wheel and tire package, this option could not only be had on K code Hi-Po cars but also regular V-8 cars and six cylinder cars. There is at least one known six banger CSO car, but the wheel is such a rare item (four lug wheel pattern as opposed to the V-8s five lugs) the owner took them off and put on regular 14" wheels. The owner still has the 15" wheels and tires and uses it for shows. Ford also did not have a unique Mustang wheel cover for the package so a set of 'accessory' hubcaps were put in teh trunk for the owner to install themselves. The '93 Cobra was the first Mustang to have a 17" wheel and tire package, the Cobra R used the same set up but with a different style (split three spoke as opposed to the regular Cobras fan style) wheel painted black.

Might the '07 SVT Shelby Mustang Cobra GT-500 be the first Mustang the first to use a 19" whaeel and tire package? Doesn't sound like it, but you never know. And we know for a fact it will hold the record for the longest name in Mustang history!

ponygt65 · 06-12-2005, 12:58 PM

As I recall - The competition suspension package is the GT package. The sixer may have had the 15" rims, but that was a special order item. The only car to have the 15" Rotunda Rims (blackouts) as a regular factory option (non special order) was the K-code.

I will obviously double check since you know than I do about stangs Falcon. I will let you know.

falcongtho3 · 06-12-2005, 01:18 PM

The GT package did indeed onclude what was called a 'special handling package', but with the more familiar 14" wheel and tire combo. I believe it included most of the same mechanical components as the CSO, the only difference being the uprated tires and wheels. The Competition Suspension Option is rarely seen and included the upsized 15" tire package. Remeber the standard base model car had 13" wheels and tires, but again it is something rarely seen.

ponygt65 · 06-12-2005, 01:23 PM

OH wait, I found a technicality......you said 65......the 64.5 K's had the 15" option......I won by 6 months.

Just playing with you.

falcongtho3 · 06-12-2005, 02:17 PM

I've seen the same date (Aug. '64) listed as the ending date for the 15" option, but I've also seen/heard of later cars having it so, like so many things with the early Mustangs, it gets a little murky. I guess my 'correct answer' should have been 64 1/2...

ponygt65 · 06-12-2005, 02:56 PM

I was just playing with you. There are so many subtle differences between the two. Basically the Generator is the most obvious.

jaydub · 06-25-2005, 08:51 PM

In 1970, Ford made a Mach1 special edition called Twister Specials.

What one color were they available in and what single state were the sold in?

04comporgmach1 · 06-25-2005, 09:44 PM

i can't remember the color but they were sold in kansas. they went along with the cougar special edition under the same name.

jaydub · 06-25-2005, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04comporgmach1

i can't remember the color but they were sold in kansas. they went along with the cougar special edition under the same name.

Very good.

However, considering your Mach1, I am a little disappointed. It was Grabber Orange. They made 96 of them. :LAUGH:

falcongtho3 · 06-25-2005, 10:08 PM

Actually they did a Torino, not a Cougar in the same series. They were sold in Kansas City, all painted Grabber orange, and origianally supposed to all be 428 CJ's. As the engines were in short supply many came with 351 Clevelands.

jaydub · 06-25-2005, 10:56 PM

Which states were the 1970 Sidewinder Specials sold?

falcongtho3 · 06-25-2005, 11:39 PM

The rare 'Sidewinder Special' was reputed to be sold in the Southwestern US (Tx, Az., N.M.,etc.), as of my most recent information only 5 have been documented to exist. They are all sportsroofs, not Mach 1's, and have 351C engines. One Sidewiinder owner has claims to have seen a 428CJ Sidewinder. The striping and logo came shpped in the trunk for dealer installation.

jaydub · 06-25-2005, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

The rare 'Sidewinder Special' was reputed to be sold in the Southwestern US (Tx, Az., N.M.,etc.), as of my most recent information only 5 have been documented to exist. They are all sportsroofs, not Mach 1's, and have 351C engines. One Sidewiinder owner has claims to have seen a 428CJ Sidewinder. The striping and logo came shpped in the trunk for dealer installation.

You be da man. I'm out of my league.

Here's a website I found on them:
http://people.freenet.de/pony/sidewinder.htm

(What would we do without the Internet?)

falcongtho3 · 06-26-2005, 08:30 AM

You have found what I consider to be the most interesting classic pony site on the internet. The guy who runs it, Wolfgang Kohl, was featured in Musang Monthly recently. I've traded emails with him, and he is very much the enthusiast. I'm currently helping him with getting information together on the designer of the pony tri-bar emblem, Phil Clark. From the way it is going it will be interesting! Check out the Bullitt page, he really has good info on the original car.

Most of the members here know that vintage Mustangs sold in Europe were badged as 'T5's' instead of 'Mustang' due to copyright rules there. What was the last model year that the T5 was offered and the Mustang name reverted to the cars sold there?

falcongtho3 · 07-31-2005, 01:42 PM

I'll get back to the T5 question later...

For today: It's a fairly well known fact that all '69 and '70 Cobra Jet Mustangs had strengthened shock towers. Which small block Mustangs had the shock tower re-enforments as well for those years?

ponygt65 · 07-31-2005, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

I'll get back to the T5 question later...

For today: It's a fairly well known fact that all '69 and '70 Cobra Jet Mustangs had strengthened shock towers. Which small block Mustangs had the shock tower re-enforments as well for those years?

I believe 67 was the last year of the T5.

Boss 302.

Both of these are guesses though.

AZDave · 07-31-2005, 03:35 PM

I know the 351W isn't a "small block", but GT350's had them also.

06-12-2005, 07:51 AM	#776
falcongtho3 Moderating at Mach 1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 16,278	Re: Trivia for today For today... Not counting 'tuner cars' like Shelby, Saleen, etc., what were the first Mustangs to come with 18" wheels and tires? 17"? 16"? 15"? __________________ Krewe de la Mach Rouge #340804 13th Mach 1 built 11/07/02 Build Date 12/13/02 Delivery

06-12-2005, 08:27 AM	#777
RnJstel Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Gettysburg PA Posts: 1,165	Re: Trivia for today Off the top of my head and without digging through my Mustang Melvin books, The first 15's should be the 10-hole wheel set on the 85 Gt?? I think the TRX was a 14. The Boss 429 had a wacky size for 69 maybe it was a 15? The First 16 was the 84 SVO. The First 17 was the 95 Cobra R???

06-12-2005, 10:10 AM	#779
falcongtho3 Moderating at Mach 1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 16,278	Re: Trivia for today Right on the 16" and 18"...waiting fo rthe correct answer on the 15" (this one WILL surprise you) and the 17"... __________________ Krewe de la Mach Rouge #340804 13th Mach 1 built 11/07/02 Build Date 12/13/02 Delivery

06-12-2005, 10:14 AM	#780
Phil Nitrous Junkie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,299	Re: Trivia for today The 1964 1/2 first year Mustang came with 14" __________________ Phil PRB Machining, LLC http://www.prbmachining-absdeleteman...com/index.html Performance mods by Jeff Chambers, the owner/tuner of CRT Performance in Norwalk, Ohio http://www.crt-performance.com/

06-12-2005, 10:23 AM	#781
Phil Nitrous Junkie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,299	Re: Trivia for today 1967 Shelby GT 350 came first with the 15" wheels... __________________ Phil PRB Machining, LLC http://www.prbmachining-absdeleteman...com/index.html Performance mods by Jeff Chambers, the owner/tuner of CRT Performance in Norwalk, Ohio http://www.crt-performance.com/

06-12-2005, 10:28 AM	#782
Phil Nitrous Junkie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,299	Re: Trivia for today 1993 Cobra R came with 17" wheels. __________________ Phil PRB Machining, LLC http://www.prbmachining-absdeleteman...com/index.html Performance mods by Jeff Chambers, the owner/tuner of CRT Performance in Norwalk, Ohio http://www.crt-performance.com/

06-12-2005, 11:38 AM	#783
ponygt65 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 7,687	Re: Trivia for today The first car to get 15" was the first generation (64.5-65) K-code. It was an option, but it was a factory option. Rotunda 15"........maybe you weren't talking about options??? __________________ Current Stable: NO stangs.....DON'T F'ING remind me. Previous stangs: 2003 Mineral Grey Cobra Vert 1965 Factory GT K Code Coupe - mostly original and numbers matching. 14.9 (best) GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!! 2003 MACh 1 AB - MINE!..SLP LM1s, PHP Spacer, and a CAI, that wont' stop whistling. 2004 MACh 1 DSG - PHP spacer, BOrla Stingers, K and N CAI, Tune, X-pipe, 1" 1-piece raised shaker...yadda yadda.

06-12-2005, 11:53 AM	#784
falcongtho3 Moderating at Mach 1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 16,278	Re: Trivia for today The '65 with the Competition Suspension Option was the first Mustang to have a 15" wheel and tire package, this option could not only be had on K code Hi-Po cars but also regular V-8 cars and six cylinder cars. There is at least one known six banger CSO car, but the wheel is such a rare item (four lug wheel pattern as opposed to the V-8s five lugs) the owner took them off and put on regular 14" wheels. The owner still has the 15" wheels and tires and uses it for shows. Ford also did not have a unique Mustang wheel cover for the package so a set of 'accessory' hubcaps were put in teh trunk for the owner to install themselves. The '93 Cobra was the first Mustang to have a 17" wheel and tire package, the Cobra R used the same set up but with a different style (split three spoke as opposed to the regular Cobras fan style) wheel painted black. Might the '07 SVT Shelby Mustang Cobra GT-500 be the first Mustang the first to use a 19" whaeel and tire package? Doesn't sound like it, but you never know. And we know for a fact it will hold the record for the longest name in Mustang history! __________________ Krewe de la Mach Rouge #340804 13th Mach 1 built 11/07/02 Build Date 12/13/02 Delivery

06-12-2005, 12:58 PM	#785
ponygt65 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 7,687	Re: Trivia for today As I recall - The competition suspension package is the GT package. The sixer may have had the 15" rims, but that was a special order item. The only car to have the 15" Rotunda Rims (blackouts) as a regular factory option (non special order) was the K-code. I will obviously double check since you know than I do about stangs Falcon. I will let you know. __________________ Current Stable: NO stangs.....DON'T F'ING remind me. Previous stangs: 2003 Mineral Grey Cobra Vert 1965 Factory GT K Code Coupe - mostly original and numbers matching. 14.9 (best) GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!! 2003 MACh 1 AB - MINE!..SLP LM1s, PHP Spacer, and a CAI, that wont' stop whistling. 2004 MACh 1 DSG - PHP spacer, BOrla Stingers, K and N CAI, Tune, X-pipe, 1" 1-piece raised shaker...yadda yadda.

06-12-2005, 01:18 PM	#786
falcongtho3 Moderating at Mach 1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 16,278	Re: Trivia for today The GT package did indeed onclude what was called a 'special handling package', but with the more familiar 14" wheel and tire combo. I believe it included most of the same mechanical components as the CSO, the only difference being the uprated tires and wheels. The Competition Suspension Option is rarely seen and included the upsized 15" tire package. Remeber the standard base model car had 13" wheels and tires, but again it is something rarely seen. __________________ Krewe de la Mach Rouge #340804 13th Mach 1 built 11/07/02 Build Date 12/13/02 Delivery

06-12-2005, 01:23 PM	#787
ponygt65 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 7,687	Re: Trivia for today OH wait, I found a technicality......you said 65......the 64.5 K's had the 15" option......I won by 6 months. Just playing with you. __________________ Current Stable: NO stangs.....DON'T F'ING remind me. Previous stangs: 2003 Mineral Grey Cobra Vert 1965 Factory GT K Code Coupe - mostly original and numbers matching. 14.9 (best) GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!! 2003 MACh 1 AB - MINE!..SLP LM1s, PHP Spacer, and a CAI, that wont' stop whistling. 2004 MACh 1 DSG - PHP spacer, BOrla Stingers, K and N CAI, Tune, X-pipe, 1" 1-piece raised shaker...yadda yadda.

06-12-2005, 02:17 PM	#788
falcongtho3 Moderating at Mach 1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 16,278	Re: Trivia for today I've seen the same date (Aug. '64) listed as the ending date for the 15" option, but I've also seen/heard of later cars having it so, like so many things with the early Mustangs, it gets a little murky. I guess my 'correct answer' should have been 64 1/2... __________________ Krewe de la Mach Rouge #340804 13th Mach 1 built 11/07/02 Build Date 12/13/02 Delivery

06-12-2005, 02:56 PM	#789
ponygt65 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 7,687	Re: Trivia for today I was just playing with you. There are so many subtle differences between the two. Basically the Generator is the most obvious. __________________ Current Stable: NO stangs.....DON'T F'ING remind me. Previous stangs: 2003 Mineral Grey Cobra Vert 1965 Factory GT K Code Coupe - mostly original and numbers matching. 14.9 (best) GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!! 2003 MACh 1 AB - MINE!..SLP LM1s, PHP Spacer, and a CAI, that wont' stop whistling. 2004 MACh 1 DSG - PHP spacer, BOrla Stingers, K and N CAI, Tune, X-pipe, 1" 1-piece raised shaker...yadda yadda.

06-25-2005, 08:51 PM	#790
jaydub Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Rafael, CA (SF Bay Area) Posts: 469	Re: Trivia for today In 1970, Ford made a Mach1 special edition called Twister Specials. What one color were they available in and what single state were the sold in? __________________ Mine: 2007 Shelby GT - California Edition White/Gray 5 spd Son's: 2006 Tungsten Gray Coupe V-6/ Charcoal 5 spd IUP Pony Package Traded in: 2004 Azure Blue 5 spd IUP 281 Cobra Jet

06-25-2005, 09:44 PM	#791
04comporgmach1 rock out with ur mach out Join Date: May 2004 Location: ft campbell, ky Posts: 552	Re: Trivia for today i can't remember the color but they were sold in kansas. they went along with the cougar special edition under the same name.

06-25-2005, 10:08 PM	#793
falcongtho3 Moderating at Mach 1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 16,278	Re: Trivia for today Actually they did a Torino, not a Cougar in the same series. They were sold in Kansas City, all painted Grabber orange, and origianally supposed to all be 428 CJ's. As the engines were in short supply many came with 351 Clevelands. __________________ Krewe de la Mach Rouge #340804 13th Mach 1 built 11/07/02 Build Date 12/13/02 Delivery

06-25-2005, 10:56 PM	#794
jaydub Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Rafael, CA (SF Bay Area) Posts: 469	Re: Trivia for today Which states were the 1970 Sidewinder Specials sold? __________________ Mine: 2007 Shelby GT - California Edition White/Gray 5 spd Son's: 2006 Tungsten Gray Coupe V-6/ Charcoal 5 spd IUP Pony Package Traded in: 2004 Azure Blue 5 spd IUP 281 Cobra Jet

06-25-2005, 11:39 PM	#795
falcongtho3 Moderating at Mach 1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 16,278	Re: Trivia for today The rare 'Sidewinder Special' was reputed to be sold in the Southwestern US (Tx, Az., N.M.,etc.), as of my most recent information only 5 have been documented to exist. They are all sportsroofs, not Mach 1's, and have 351C engines. One Sidewiinder owner has claims to have seen a 428CJ Sidewinder. The striping and logo came shpped in the trunk for dealer installation. __________________ Krewe de la Mach Rouge #340804 13th Mach 1 built 11/07/02 Build Date 12/13/02 Delivery

06-26-2005, 08:30 AM	#797
falcongtho3 Moderating at Mach 1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 16,278	Re: Trivia for today You have found what I consider to be the most interesting classic pony site on the internet. The guy who runs it, Wolfgang Kohl, was featured in Musang Monthly recently. I've traded emails with him, and he is very much the enthusiast. I'm currently helping him with getting information together on the designer of the pony tri-bar emblem, Phil Clark. From the way it is going it will be interesting! Check out the Bullitt page, he really has good info on the original car. Most of the members here know that vintage Mustangs sold in Europe were badged as 'T5's' instead of 'Mustang' due to copyright rules there. What was the last model year that the T5 was offered and the Mustang name reverted to the cars sold there? __________________ Krewe de la Mach Rouge #340804 13th Mach 1 built 11/07/02 Build Date 12/13/02 Delivery Last edited by falcongtho3; 06-26-2005 at 08:56 AM.

07-31-2005, 01:42 PM	#798
falcongtho3 Moderating at Mach 1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 16,278	Re: Trivia for today I'll get back to the T5 question later... For today: It's a fairly well known fact that all '69 and '70 Cobra Jet Mustangs had strengthened shock towers. Which small block Mustangs had the shock tower re-enforments as well for those years? __________________ Krewe de la Mach Rouge #340804 13th Mach 1 built 11/07/02 Build Date 12/13/02 Delivery

07-31-2005, 03:35 PM	#800
AZDave FORD GUY Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Scottsdale, AZ / Southlake,TX Posts: 185	Re: Trivia for today I know the 351W isn't a "small block", but GT350's had them also. __________________ Torch Red 378403 my garage: 02/06/03, now in the caring hands of the "other Dave" '66 GT350H #1497 [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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