My P1SC kit, what do I need????

[Mach828]

The benefit of the aftermarket cover is to run more oil. More oil = less heat and more protection.

You check the fill level with the stock plug when you have the stock cover, since thats your only access point. But the aftermarket covers have the fill plug at the top of the diff cover, so you never remove the stock fill plug. Otherwise the fluid will come out like you experienced. Doesn't mean its at capacity. Not that you should fill it till it comes out the top of the aftermarket plug, because then you will get pressure build up and oil will come out the housing vent.

2 quarts is fine though. Thats a nice cover, the carrier braces are nice to have.

[not a gt]

Originally Posted by not a gt

I got this in today. I wanted to post because anyone who may read this thread during thier install; if the kit has some age on it, spend the $73 and get an idler. This was a part that AGAIN, everyone seem to know about but me. I had posted that I heard a chirping when I started the car and it went away after warmed up, instantly people knew "Oh, you need a new idler pulley, mine did that too", save your self 2 months after install of having to go back in, IMO of course!!

I was looking today while car was running I would hear a random chirp/squeak, well the front face of the pulley is ground down to silver again(all black paint gone). Closer inspection the front face of the pulley is rubbing on the blower bracket!! (now makes me wonder if there was anything wrong with other pulley), looks like I can maybe loosen cap screw and take a washer(that I can maybe pre-notch), and slide between pulley and bracket and hopefully give just enough for it not to rub and squeak.

[not a gt]

I notched a washer and spaced out blower idler pulley enough not to hit blower bracket, no more squeaks!!

[not a gt]

I need to be kicked in the head. Not thinking, I added that washer, drove 7 hours to Ft Myers, FL, happen to open hood to show Pop blower and I AGAIN had a 5 rib belt!! Dang pulley alignment raised his ugly head so be warned: These ProChargers are EXTREMELY sensitive to washers . I drove back home on a 5 rib belt so today I will be pulling blower and this time will lightly sand on side of idler to get the tiny clearance I need, this was totally my bad, had been doing great, pics to follow. Thanks for listening and can verify you can drive a good distance on a 5 rib lol

[DSG2003Mach1]

adding the washer to the idler did that?!?

[01yellerCobra]

I believe it. The belt goes off one side and rides on the edge. The edge of the pulley acts just like a razor. Check the condition of the bearings in the pulley too. The bearings in that pulley are known for going out.

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[not a gt]

Originally Posted by DSG2003Mach1

adding the washer to the idler did that?!?

Yes, one freakin washer, so, removed blower and idler, washer fell out and can't find it (uh,oh), anywho, I sanded down pulley side, installed new belt, repainted and ran car and paint didn't rub off so I should be good to go. Pics







This is pic after running car and bumping throttle (also I could move blower just enough to get belt on without disconnecting outlet, lots of practice)



The pulley is new and bearings seem ok, thanks again guys!!

[ab_mach1]

Dang man! This belt deal is harshing a modders mellow. Not cool! Hope you can get something setup to keep your belt where it needs to be.


@azurebluemach

[TKat13]

You have much more patience than I do, I think I would have set it on fire by now.

Curious, how many belts have you gone through in the last 12 months?

Good luck!

[Vndcatr]

Is it only a procharger ordeal ?.. Ive messed with MANY vortech setups 6 and 8 rib and never had any major pulley or belt alignment issues.

[lonestarbullitt]

Yes it does seem over time pulling things apart becomes second nature with blowers. I have all the techniques down to pull my Vortech out. Thankfully, knock in wood, I have never had belt alignment issues with it. I get to drop the k member tomorrow for the 20th time to re-seal my oil pan.

[01yellerCobra]

Originally Posted by Vndcatr

Is it only a procharger ordeal ?.. Ive messed with MANY vortech setups 6 and 8 rib and never had any major pulley or belt alignment issues.

I had nothing but bad luck with belts on my Vortech. I'm sure Amazon was enjoying the money they were making off me though.

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[Vndcatr]

Originally Posted by 01yellerCobra

I had nothing but bad luck with belts on my Vortech. I'm sure Amazon was enjoying the money they were making off me though.

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Must just be hit or miss, every setup and car is different lol.

id love to buy that T trim you have though.Dang it!lol

[blown03Mach1]

I ran a pro charger on mine for 6 years and 30k+ miles and never a belt issue. I did change mine out every two years or 10k miles though.

[not a gt]

I have gone thru 3 belts since build (maybe 4), I bought a bunch on Amazon and STILL have one left in trunk. This SHOULD do it, I have no pulley issue now and washer is gone..thanks for posting guys, glad to know sometimes you are not the only one with issues.

[not a gt]

I had car idling for 15 minutes and front of idler pulley stayed nice and black. I drove about 175 miles round trip Saturday, get home and open hood and front of pulley silver again . Does the metal expand and contract that much on blower bracket and/or idler pully bolt and assembly to cause that?? I am gonna just leave it, blower is fairly quiet anyway, just wondering if driving the car caused some flex in the bracket to allow it AGAIN to rub pulley

[DSG2003Mach1]

Originally Posted by not a gt

I had car idling for 15 minutes and front of idler pulley stayed nice and black. I drove about 175 miles round trip Saturday, get home and open hood and front of pulley silver again . Does the metal expand and contract that much on blower bracket and/or idler pully bolt and assembly to cause that?? I am gonna just leave it, blower is fairly quiet anyway, just wondering if driving the car caused some flex in the bracket to allow it AGAIN to rub pulley

now that ya say that I have heard complaints that the bracket can flex, might be doing it under load

[BADNBLUE]

I still think this thread needs to be a sticky.

[not a gt]

Originally Posted by BADNBLUE

I still think this thread needs to be a sticky.

Thanks, I am the most unlucky *** in ProCharger land and try to document it for future unlucky ***'s.
All the inputs from others on M1R has really made this thread a vast trove of knowledge, once again as always thanks guys!!
Note: the *** above was filtered Son of a b***hs.

[blown03Mach1]

Originally Posted by not a gt

I had car idling for 15 minutes and front of idler pulley stayed nice and black. I drove about 175 miles round trip Saturday, get home and open hood and front of pulley silver again . Does the metal expand and contract that much on blower bracket and/or idler pully bolt and assembly to cause that?? I am gonna just leave it, blower is fairly quiet anyway, just wondering if driving the car caused some flex in the bracket to allow it AGAIN to rub pulley

So its rubbing on the back of the head unit bracket? Mine did the same and I added a washer between the idler and the head unit bracket. I also ended up adding a washer on one of the two passenger side mount bolts, just don't remember which the top or bottom?

[not a gt]

Originally Posted by blown03Mach1

So its rubbing on the back of the head unit bracket? Mine did the same and I added a washer between the idler and the head unit bracket. I also ended up adding a washer on one of the two passenger side mount bolts, just don't remember which the top or bottom?

I tried the washer between the idler and bracket but then once added it shreaded and made the belt a 5 rib again I have had a washer added on the bottom stud, remember I paid $219 to LaMotta to have pulleys "laser aligned" and for my money I never saw a laser and one washer was added to one stud..man, the more I read and think about that...drove 4 hours, spent the day, had blower removed, one washer added and blower reinstalled with wrong pulley all along, drove home 4 hours and removed blower myself (for free) and installed correct pulley, man just reading it makes me sick. Anywho, out of ideas, it has to be blower bracket flex, I can't use a washer and I ground down actual pulley face itself and it STILL occurred (after no rubbing issues idling in driveway), guess some things we just have to live with. Makes me wonder though when I read people saying they have gone thru multiple idler pulley's, is it because it is rubbing on head unit bracket causing friction that prematurely wears out the bearings in the pulley??, ummmm

[01yellerCobra]

There shouldn't be any way for the pulley to hit with the Procharger spacers installed. They should stick out past the pulley. Something else to check is when you tighten the bolt that goes through the pulley make sure it's straight. If it's angled it can cause belt issues. Are you still running the cast bracket under the alternator? Mine started to strip and if I didn't line it up right the pulley would be angled and cause belt issues. I have machined brackets that are better then the cast piece if you need one.

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[not a gt]

Originally Posted by 01yellerCobra

There shouldn't be any way for the pulley to hit with the Procharger spacers installed. They should stick out past the pulley. Something else to check is when you tighten the bolt that goes through the pulley make sure it's straight. If it's angled it can cause belt issues. Are you still running the cast bracket under the alternator? Mine started to strip and if I didn't line it up right the pulley would be angled and cause belt issues. I have machined brackets that are better then the cast piece if you need one.

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I thought as well with the two inserts that go into each side of the pulley they would stick out PAST the pulley, but dang if it still rubs (again seemed fine until I went for a long ride, came back and the freakin black I painted on pulley face was gone to reveal silver). The issue of the bolt going thru the pulley, the shop did that little piece it threads into (that is screwed down itself with loc- tite, the spacer thingy that you screw down first then the pulley cap screws goes into that) when they "aligned" the belt.I am not sure what you mean by the cast bracket under alternator, I think I am using the black one that came with kit I bought, I am not by the car so having a hard time picturing what you mean. When I get home tonite with car sitting "cold", I am gonna see if I can slide a piece of paper between pulley and bracket, this will tell me if it is a flex issue somewhere, thanks and keep the great info and ideas coming please!!

[01yellerCobra]

This is the bracket I'm talking about.



It bolts to the alternator mount. The bracket from Procharger is cast. I had some machined. If the bolt isn't straight it will cause the pulley to hit the bracket. It happened to me. The bracket also has to be aligned correctly.



You can see the bracket under the alternator in that pic. My guess is your bolt isn't going in straight and causing your issue.


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[not a gt]

Originally Posted by 01yellerCobra

This is the bracket I'm talking about.



It bolts to the alternator mount. The bracket from Procharger is cast. I had some machined. If the bolt isn't straight it will cause the pulley to hit the bracket. It happened to me. The bracket also has to be aligned correctly.



You can see the bracket under the alternator in that pic. My guess is your bolt isn't going in straight and causing your issue.


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Oh now I get it, yes I have the ProCharger piece and the guy at LaMotta put that on and loc-tite the bolt mounting it. How can I verify if bolt straight? Let me guess, remove everything and screw in capscrew and staright edge it?? Also how do you know if bracket IS aligned properly?? Dang what did I get for $219 ?? I tried the paper test last night, no dice, a yellow piece of sticky note wouldn't fit. Man what great info, again something I don't think many know about, I know first I heard of it, thanks man, one day soon I will get out there and look at this, need a break sometimes, feels like I am working on car more than I am driving it

I notice as well I guess because of your 8 rib you have a hell of alot more spacer between bracket and pulley than I do, mine has the 2 inserts that kinda sit flush !!



This was right after I tried washer that I had to remove