TV's! Plasma or LED?

[shame302]

Originally Posted by frisko4one5

Duno if anybody mentioned this but LED TVs are LCD TVs. It's jus the lighting in the back of the tv that are LEDs. Most common is edge lit led TVs. The best is usually the full array led tv with local dimming. But those are usually twice as expensive

Boom. Exactly right. LED (localized dimming full array) imho are what make them compete with the better plasmas. I generally dis-like LCD Panels and probably would never get one over my Pani Plasma but the next panel will likely be LED. Best bang for your buck is still the plasma.

I'm also one of those that gets the screen door effect in some of the lcd and rainbow effect in DLPs.

Originally Posted by Mach1tosh

Sharp Aquos with Quattron LED.
The 4th color (yellow) really makes the picture pop.

People say this sort of thing all the time. I understand a brilliant, accurate, natural picture. It's NOT supposed to "pop". These things are so inaccurately set up in stores to make them "pop" in the awful lighting to sell them but it's wrong. Most of the quality panels should be close to each other in a light treated room with a proper calibration and indistinguishable by most people if they are not side by side in the same room.

That^^^ IS a decent, well accepted unit btw.

[mach1metalhead]

LEDs are the way.

[japan4racing]

I love my 55" Samsung LED 120hz. I turned off the auto motion setting and adjusted it manually and got rid of the jittery picture. I have a Sharp 46" lcd in the bedroom and its amazing but nowhere near this LED....If I had to compare the 2 I would say the Sharp lcd is a 2v GT and the Samsung LED is a Mach 1!

[65fastback2+2]

Originally Posted by Bad Religion

I have two plasmas, newer ones that will blow all my other friends large computer screens away. Much better picture IMO.

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Originally Posted by frisko4one5

Duno if anybody mentioned this but LED TVs are LCD TVs. It's jus the lighting in the back of the tv that are LEDs. Most common is edge lit led TVs. The best is usually the full array led tv with local dimming. But those are usually twice as expensive

29 posts and only these two were completely accurate.


I hate when people talk about what they dont know.

[73mach03]

Originally Posted by LOOKnGO

I'm 100% sure I was accurate, stating what kind of TV I had in my post.

Yeah, I pretty much feel the same way.

I didn't point out that LEDs are really LCD. I was aware of that, but didn't see where it was all that important at the time. I've either had or currently have Plasma, DLP, rear-projection LCD, LCD, LED, and 3D LED. I've owned or currently own Samsung, LG, Sony, Vizio, Hitachi, Toshiba, and Polaroid, All were fine TVs and served me well. The ones that stand out are the recent LCD/LED models from Samsung, Sony, and LG.

Plasma seems to have the bigger bang for the buck options. Though I still like LED. Hard to go wrong with any of the major brands of HDTVs. Finding a good deal or being in the right place at the right time may be as important as what brand or type you end up with.

Also, buy it someplace where you can easily bring the TV back and exchange it for something else within a given time...with no questions asked. All the good research in the world can fall flat when you hook the TV up and start to use it.

[65fastback2+2]

Originally Posted by LOOKnGO

I'm 100% sure I was accurate, stating what kind of TV I had in my post. I never stated it was the way to go, it was just a peanut gallery post.

i was referring to anyone discussing technologies

[73mach03]

Originally Posted by japan4racing

If I had to compare the 2 I would say the Sharp lcd is a 2v GT and the Samsung LED is a Mach 1!

Good analogy. I have a Samsung 46" LCD (non-LED) that has a gorgeous picture, but it's contrast ratio (70,000:1) can't compare to my 55" Samsung LED's contrast ratio (5,000,000:1) That extra contrast ratio brings a depth to the picture that makes TV shows and movies really come to life.

Some of the later LCD TVs had increased contrast ratios and delivered pictures similar to the LED versions that came out later. My brother has a 55" LCD Samsung with a contrast ratio of 150.000:1 and it has a picture that doesn't take much of a back seat to my newer 55" LED Samsung. When I first saw his TV, he was playing the movie Tremors and I couldn't believe how "live" the picture looked. Almost like a videotaped TV show rather than a movie. That was about when I knew I had to upgrade to a newer TV.

[65fastback2+2]

Originally Posted by 73mach03

Good analogy. I have a Samsung 46" LCD (non-LED) that has a gorgeous picture, but it's contrast ratio (70,000:1) can't compare to my 55" Samsung LED's contrast ratio (5,000,000:1) That extra contrast ratio brings a depth to the picture that makes TV shows and movies really come to life.

Some of the later LCD TVs had increased contrast ratios and delivered pictures similar to the LED versions that came out later. My brother has a 55" LCD Samsung with a contrast ratio of 150.000:1 and it has a picture that doesn't take much of a back seat to my newer 55" LED Samsung. When I first saw his TV, he was playing the movie Tremors and I couldn't believe how "live" the picture looked. Almost like a videotaped TV show rather than a movie. That was about when I knew I had to upgrade to a newer TV.

a) contrast ratios are made up numbers. it is why manufacturers dont even advertise them anymore. For example, go to the best theater in your town, sit down and enjoy the movie. Its contrast ratio is about 100:1. Your most expensive LED's are about 4000:1 and your top of the line plasmas are about 9000:1. those are ACTUAL, correctly measured contrast ratios.

Quit getting hung up on meaningless numbers.

b) EVERY 120hz and 240hz LCD or LED LCD has that exact same "videotapes" effect. In the industry it is actually called the "Soap opera" effect. its due to the ME/MC processor in the TV not displaying the frames that the source delivers but also inserting synthesized frames to try and compensate for the fact that the LCD panel itself has physical lag in it. This raises the moving image resolution while adding fake frames (hurting picture quality). The human eye cant see beyond 100hz anyhow.

[BryanH79]

I just replaced my DLP Samsung 46inch(I was tired of replacing bulbs) I picked up a LED Samsung 46inch(46EH5300). Had to adjust the bright to about setting 55 and was good to go. Compared to my DLP which had a really good picture the LED blew it away. For the price I think I got a pretty nice TV.

[japan4racing]

Originally Posted by 65fastback2+2

a) contrast ratios are made up numbers. it is why manufacturers dont even advertise them anymore. For example, go to the best theater in your town, sit down and enjoy the movie. Its contrast ratio is about 100:1. Your most expensive LED's are about 4000:1 and your top of the line plasmas are about 9000:1. those are ACTUAL, correctly measured contrast ratios.

Quit getting hung up on meaningless numbers.

yea the there is no standard for manufacturers to rate the contrast ratio so they pretty much just put a bunch of zeros and people go oooohhhhh...ahhhhhhh and buy it. I thought the picture on my sharp was the best thing ever but this samsung blows it away. Both are 120 hz, sharp is 1080i and the samsung is a led/lcd 1080p. Both get the same hd signal through a hdmi cable.

[73mach03]

Originally Posted by 65fastback2+2

a) contrast ratios are made up numbers. it is why manufacturers dont even advertise them anymore. For example, go to the best theater in your town, sit down and enjoy the movie. Its contrast ratio is about 100:1. Your most expensive LED's are about 4000:1 and your top of the line plasmas are about 9000:1. those are ACTUAL, correctly measured contrast ratios.

Quit getting hung up on meaningless numbers.

I am not hung up on meaningless numbers. Was just stating what the manufacturers put out. I realize those numbers are extreme overkill. Like i would ever be able to "see" a contrast ratio in the millions anyway. My point was that a better contrast ratio on the newer LCDs and LEDs made a dramatic improvement in the picture quality vs older LCDs.

[jv7]

Both have pros/cons. Gotta decide which better fits you. As stated before Plasma does have reflection but the newer ones have a " deeper" black so the colors are sharper than an LCD. But if reflection is an issue go with the LCD. IMO.

[65fastback2+2]

Originally Posted by jv7

Both have pros/cons. Gotta decide which better fits you. As stated before Plasma does have reflection but the newer ones have a " deeper" black so the colors are sharper than an LCD. But if reflection is an issue go with the LCD. IMO.

Reflection is not an issue because the clear view LCD panels they use now reflect MORE than glass does. Because LCD panels are plastic, they use the glossy clear view panel to reflect ambient light instead of absorb it which helps picture quality. they cannot do anything about the reflection this produces.

a good plasma, like a panasonic, will have an anti-glare coating across the front (similar to what you can get on prescription glasses) which causes them to actually reflect less than an LCD.

just a quick example:

plasma on bottom, LED on top



plasma on top, LCD on bottom