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11-21-2010, 09:13 PM | #3176 |
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Whether people want to admit it or not, Jimmie Johnson and the 48 team have to be one of the best teams in NASCAR EVER!! Yeah you have people like Dale Sr. and Richard Petty that have more championships but that was how long ago. Back when they were dominating NASCAR, there was MAYBE 10teams that were even considered competitive every week. Back then, there wasn't so many rules so whoever had the most money, wins the most. The competition nowadays is MUCH MUCH MUCH higher then it was back then and to have 5 championships in a row is just unheard of. In other words, if Richard Petty and Dale Sr. were racing in todays NASCAR, they would not be as dominating as they were back then. You gotta give credit where credit is due and the 48 teams deserves a lot of credit for what they have accomplished.
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11-21-2010, 09:31 PM | #3177 | |
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I agree. Whoever thinks these races/championships are "staged" needs to wake up. They're earned, not given. Congrats to JJ and the whole #48 team.
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11-21-2010, 09:35 PM | #3178 |
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Re: NASCAR thread
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11-21-2010, 09:37 PM | #3179 | |
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Sorry to say it, but I used to LOVE NASCAR, but once they changed to the chase format that suits a driver who can do well at the last 10 tracks, they lost me and judging by the falling tickets sales, I am not the only one.... NASCAR needs to either flush the chase or rotate the final 10 races each season (yeah I know Northern tracks do not do well in November) to include a road race. Sad, very sad..
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11-21-2010, 10:03 PM | #3180 |
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Re: NASCAR thread
It started going a bit downhill after 212.809,
then when the toilets flushed in, phooey!
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11-21-2010, 10:30 PM | #3181 | |
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I give JJ credit for what he has accomplished but there is NO way to compare the drivers from different periods.
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11-22-2010, 07:18 AM | #3182 | |
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Re: NASCAR thread
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I guess now that we've had the 'drive for five', we'll see the 'slumming for six' next year?
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11-22-2010, 10:05 AM | #3183 | |
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11-22-2010, 01:18 PM | #3184 | |
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11-22-2010, 03:55 PM | #3185 |
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IIRC In his first three Jeff Gordon would have had the first one and Carl Edwards the third. JJ still would have won his 2nd one.
There is no doubt that JJ is the best at the last 10 races. Beyond that I'm not so sure. The crappy point system screws up any real play-off nature to the chase. While you can't have one on one eliminations like the NFL non chase drivers should not steal points from chase drivers. My suggestion would be something like the F1 points system for the chase drivers only. That way if some *** clown takes you out there is a chance to recover. the current system is way to easy to loose points and next to impossible to make them up.
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11-22-2010, 05:59 PM | #3186 | |
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11-22-2010, 07:29 PM | #3187 | |
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My dis-like for the 48 team stems from their adjustable rear window. The fact that they were willing to do that makes me think what else has been done to the car that the Nascar techs have either missed or ignored.
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11-22-2010, 07:55 PM | #3188 |
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Re: NASCAR thread
All down hill after Awesome Bill.
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11-22-2010, 08:17 PM | #3189 |
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Re: NASCAR thread
+1
212.809....after that all the cry babies have had control over NASCAR.
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11-22-2010, 08:19 PM | #3190 |
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Met him a few times at Ford Development,
really a cool guy. Met his Mom in Dawsonville.
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11-22-2010, 09:01 PM | #3191 | |
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2010 season 36 points races - 13 different drivers won 1975 season 30 points races - 8 different drivers (Petty had a good year with 10 wins but still had 7 other drivers with wins) If you go out of the modern era the number of races goes way up and so does the number of winners. 1964 had 64 races and 18 different winners. Some of the races had very few cars that year and it was marked with tragedy. Long story short not much has changed since about 1958. There was some very wild stats prior to the 58 season. There were many races that had more than 43 cars NOT finish the race.
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11-23-2010, 10:30 AM | #3192 |
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Yeah Awesome Bill will always have that record of the fastest speed, but I wonder if it was more the fact Bobby Allison almost ending up in the stands, that made NASCAR slow them down. I think either way Bobby would have wrecked the same, even if they had slowed them down. Look what happened to Carl Edwards; same thing. All of these happened at the same track too.
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11-23-2010, 11:36 AM | #3193 | |
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Some say the racing died with the restrictor plate but I say it really died with Earnhardt. I was not a #3 fan (I didn't "hate" him but as the lone Ford guy in my group of buddies I couldn't root for him either!) but I really think he'd be kicking Brian France's butt literally and figuratively for all the retarded changes they've made to the sport. I watched a total of 3 races this year--the two Daytonas and Homestead--which are the least # of races I've seen in probably 15 years. That COT has made the sport absolutely boring!
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11-23-2010, 01:20 PM | #3194 | |
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11-23-2010, 04:09 PM | #3195 | |
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I think Edwards was at Atlanta? I kinda miss Davey and Kulwicki
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11-23-2010, 04:24 PM | #3196 |
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11-23-2010, 08:19 PM | #3197 | |
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There was a big article about this somewhere on the web a few years back. I'll have to try to find it again. It showed comparisons from then and now and how much harder it is nowdays to be successful in NASCAR.
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11-23-2010, 08:46 PM | #3198 |
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Curious what is the furthest back someone was at the beggining of the chase and ended up winning the chase?
If my mind has not completely left me, the winner of the chase has never started the chase out of the top 5.
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11-24-2010, 09:10 AM | #3199 | |
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11-24-2010, 01:47 PM | #3200 | |
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To say that current era drivers like JJ are somehow better than lets say Joe Weatherly is total BS. Weatherly won a championship while driving part time for several different teams in the same year. He also came from motorcycle racing, he was AMA #1 and an extraordinary rider. Had he not died while champion I think he would have been much more prominent in the record books. While I agree with many of the points about how tough it is to win a race today, the drivers are no longer "bigger than life". Little Joe, Jr Johnson, the Petty clan, and so many others had character; today when have only a few. We will never see guys like the Flock brothers (and sister) on the race track again and that's our lose.
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