MOPAR Settin' the Bar **** High

[b3warnick]

840 hp Demon

9.65 quarter mile

http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/04/...ute-beast.html

Ford has to step up a really big step.

[4a7191a]

Holy crap to that. My next drag car will have to step it up big time !

[Thunderbolt]

Dear Lucifer,
I've been a very bad boy all year. Please put a Dodge Demon in my garage next to my altar of sacrifice. See ya' soon.

[falcongtho3]

Been following this monster as well, but it looks like Ford is working on something...
http://www.motortrend.com/news/spied...ercharged-v-8/

[sutyak]

Awesome cars. Very lame launch into from Dodge on Youtube. Will these be permitted to run at the track with no proper roll bar?

[TRbetngu]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

Been following this monster as well, but it looks like Ford is working on something...
http://www.motortrend.com/news/spied...ercharged-v-8/

I'm sure hoping that's not the new GT500. I don't think it is, just because you can see the VMP logo on top of the charger and the airbox looks all fabbed up. They may be working on an OE supercharger for the GT350.

All jokes aside the new GT500 better be TT.

[DSG2003Mach1]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

Been following this monster as well, but it looks like Ford is working on something...
http://www.motortrend.com/news/spied...ercharged-v-8/

looks like a gt350 with a VMP blower to me.

supposedly the new bigger blower from Eaton has been held back because they had a deal with an OEM for a model launch first (the Demon) so itll be interesting to see that blower filter out. As good as the TVS is, its too small to compete with the demon.

I dont see anybody going after the Demon with a street legal car anytime soon

[sutyak]

Originally Posted by DSG2003Mach1

looks like a gt350 with a VMP blower to me.

supposedly the new bigger blower from Eaton has been held back because they had a deal with an OEM for a model launch first (the Demon) so itll be interesting to see that blower filter out. As good as the TVS is, its too small to compete with the demon.

I dont see anybody going after the Demon with a street legal car anytime soon

Define street legal? Plenty of 9 second Coyotes out there, as well as 4.6 modulars. It's almost too easy to get a 140mph Coyote.
I figure my car could get close to that if I really turned it up, but I won't. I like the internals to stay internal.

[ab_mach1]

I saw a Dodge video where he mentions the NHRA has banned it from running down the track. I'm assuming because it doesn't have a cage, etc. would that mean that if you buy it, you can't got to a test and tune and run it down amateur style? If I had a Demon, I'd want to play on the drag strip pretty regularly lol.


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[slomach03]

Demon looks like a monster lol. I thought Ford was pretty set on that twin turbo 12spd GT500 that was supposed to be 810hp...

[01yellerCobra]

Originally Posted by eruza

I saw a Dodge video where he mentions the NHRA has banned it from running down the track. I'm assuming because it doesn't have a cage, etc. would that mean that if you buy it, you can't got to a test and tune and run it down amateur style? If I had a Demon, I'd want to play on the drag strip pretty regularly lol.


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I thought he mentioned it can't run in a certain class? I told the wife if we had the room and money I'd be on the list to get one.

[DSG2003Mach1]

Originally Posted by sutyak

Define street legal? Plenty of 9 second Coyotes out there, as well as 4.6 modulars. It's almost too easy to get a 140mph Coyote.
I figure my car could get close to that if I really turned it up, but I won't. I like the internals to stay internal.

Im talking strictly from a new car with a warranty standpoint. Dodge is even saying they will warranty parts breakage at the track so long as you havent modded the car.

The car is banned from all NHRA partner tracks, that is to say if the track chooses to enforce the rules. The rules state a factory stock car can run no quicker than 9.99 without being subject to the safety rules. Youd have to find an NHRA track willing to turn a blind eye or a non NHRA track willing to look the other way...or run the pump gas tune with 315s up front so you "only" run low 10s

[ab_mach1]

Oh, wow. And I'm sure if you put a cage in it (and whatever to meet said rules), that would probably null the warranty lol.


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[sutyak]

Kinda lame to produce car that will run mid 9's, but no safety equipment to make it legal. I don't understand why they bothered with the little 4-point harness.

[DSG2003Mach1]

i would have to imagine there are federal rules at play that make putting a rollcage in a street legal car pretty much impossible

[sutyak]

Originally Posted by DSG2003Mach1

i would have to imagine there are federal rules at play that make putting a rollcage in a street legal car pretty much impossible

It would have to be integrated into the frame so no squishy body parts could come in contact with it. The new For GT has a steel cage (not NHRA, for curves) inside its carbon fiber frame, so it's possible. With a 10 point steel roll cage not integrated into the frame I don't see it passing any crash tests because of body part contact.
Still, it's a bummer for anyone who buys one but isn't able to really open it up on the drag strip.

[DSG2003Mach1]

ya, an exponentially more difficult task to adapt that to an existing platform. I saw on another forum they already have rollbars out there for the hellcats that are 500-600 and dont have to tear up the car to install

[HAEG]

Originally Posted by DSG2003Mach1

Im talking strictly from a new car with a warranty standpoint. Dodge is even saying they will warranty parts breakage at the track so long as you havent modded the car.

The car is banned from all NHRA partner tracks, that is to say if the track chooses to enforce the rules. The rules state a factory stock car can run no quicker than 9.99 without being subject to the safety rules. Youd have to find an NHRA track willing to turn a blind eye or a non NHRA track willing to look the other way...or run the pump gas tune with 315s up front so you "only" run low 10s

Roll Bar is needed long before 9:99, its needed at 11:50 ET in the 1/4 mile. The ET was moved up from 11:99 to 11:50 a few years back with all the factory horsepower cars coming out. I would assume NHRA made this car illegal for the stock class.
But it will all come down to a track enforcing the NHRA rules which rarely seems to happen. If anyone recalls the show PINKS and all the illegal stuff they did on that show.

EDIT: After looking into the Street Legal Drag class for NHRA it would be a legal car to race but only in a street legal style drag race format. No alterations what so ever, including adjusting the tune. DOT legal tires are permitted.

[DSG2003Mach1]

Originally Posted by HAEG

Roll Bar is needed long before 9:99, its needed at 11:50 ET in the 1/4 mile. The ET was moved up from 11:99 to 11:50 a few years back with all the factory horsepower cars coming out. I would assume NHRA made this car illegal for the stock class.
But it will all come down to a track enforcing the NHRA rules which rarely seems to happen. If anyone recalls the show PINKS and all the illegal stuff they did on that show.

EDIT: After looking into the Street Legal Drag class for NHRA it would be a legal car to race but only in a street legal style drag race format. No alterations what so ever, including adjusting the tune. DOT legal tires are permitted.

An OEM stock vehicle is allowed to go as low 9.99 and fast as 135. They did this because of cars that were already going 11s and 10s bone stock.

I dont know how they would view the whole deal with the racegas computer that comes in the demon crate or the front runner skinnies. Supposedly itll still go 9.90s on the 315 front runners with demon crate race gas computer

[SchwermoRacing]

For the price it will be I'd rather get a CobraJet and run 8's. It sounds like the Demon will be a shitty daily with that suspension anyway.

[01yellerCobra]

Originally Posted by SchwermoRacing

For the price it will be I'd rather get a CobraJet and run 8's. It sounds like the Demon will be a shitty daily with that suspension anyway.

You can't drive a Cobra Jet on the street. I highly doubt the people that end up with these cars are going to daily them. Besides the fact that the people that are interested in this kind of performance aren't looking for a Cadillac style ride.

[SchwermoRacing]

Originally Posted by 01yellerCobra

You can't drive a Cobra Jet on the street. I highly doubt the people that end up with these cars are going to daily them. Besides the fact that the people that are interested in this kind of performance aren't looking for a Cadillac style ride.

I'm sure most of the people that buy these will be either modding them enough they don't want to be street driven or will be a trailer/garage queen anyway. I'd be surprised if I see many if any on the road. As it is I've only seen maybe 5-6 Hellcats total since they came out.

[TKat13]

Hats off to Dodge for building something no one else would. Someone has to step up and cross the line. Although I cannot afford one, I fully respect an OEM building such a car within the guidelines of all the laws they have to meet and the durability that is expected from an OEM. Many of us build fast cars and I am sure most of us would not pass the qualifications that the OEMs must meet for a street LEGAL car.

good job dodge!

Now, will Ford step up? The GT does not count, at their price they are simply exotic cars out of way reach of most people.

[SchwermoRacing]

Originally Posted by TKat13

Hats off to Dodge for building something no one else would. Someone has to step up and cross the line. Although I cannot afford one, I fully respect an OEM building such a car within the guidelines of all the laws they have to meet and the durability that is expected from an OEM. Many of us build fast cars and I am sure most of us would not pass the qualifications that the OEMs must meet for a street LEGAL car.

good job dodge!

Now, will Ford step up? The GT does not count, at their price they are simply exotic cars out of way reach of most people.

Personally, I don't see a reason for' Ford to "step up" they are more going back and forth with GM with cars that are fast, and can also take a turn. I would much rather spend Demon money on a car that is slower in a straight line, but is also fun on a twisty road.

[ab_mach1]

Originally Posted by SchwermoRacing

Personally, I don't see a reason for' Ford to "step up" they are more going back and forth with GM with cars that are fast, and can also take a turn. I would much rather spend Demon money on a car that is slower in a straight line, but is also fun on a twisty road.

Can you still buy a CobraJet? If so, I didn't think they could get 8's without modifications..? If I was Ford, I would just make changes to the CobraJet so that would get them to 8's in "stock" form and call it a day. I personally enjoy the back and forth between GT350, 1LE, and ZL1 type performance. The new ZL1 is pretty awesome and I'd like to see Ford answer that challenge.