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MyLittlePony 02-21-2007 07:47 PM

LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Figured I would share my fun with this great mod.

Just got it in the mail today.

I will install it tomorrow, with plenty of pictures.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/100_0333.jpg

DTMach1 02-21-2007 07:50 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
How much did it cost and where did you purchase it from?

Fastbandit99 02-21-2007 07:50 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Are those metal strips between the tiles?

MyLittlePony 02-21-2007 08:38 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DTMach1 (Post 749699)
How much did it cost and where did you purchase it from?


Here is all the info you need. http://www.ldcchicago.com/

MyLittlePony 02-21-2007 08:40 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fastbandit99 (Post 749701)
Are those metal strips between the tiles?

Actually....it's a table top with slate tiles.
Allthough...I happen to own and operate a tile business.
So...if you ever need tile advice....I 've been doing it 16 years.

birdman941 02-21-2007 08:47 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
I will be doing my own version of the cooling mod on "R".
May be simpler, yet just as effective.
And NO pulling the trans to do it.
Will have to pull lower intake though...................

MyLittlePony 02-21-2007 08:53 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Well I have the trans out right now....waiting on a billet converter...

I could install this trans blindfolded by now.

Iceman 02-22-2007 11:16 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Quote:

I could install this trans blindfolded by now.
i hear that!

MyLittlePony 02-22-2007 11:29 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Couldn't get to it today....neighbor borrowed my extra jackstands for an xpipe install....took him 3 days!!! lol.

I have the afternoon free tomorrow to do this and take pics too.

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 01:51 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Here is the kit ready to go in. This was a great little project.
I would say a 4 out of 10, only because the trans would have to come
out to do it.





http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/100_0335.jpg

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 01:59 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
First thing I did was take out a drain plug on the block. It's a litle different on a Mach than the instructions due to our aluminum block.

Bad picture....but this is on the driver side rear of block.

The small plug is the one that comes out...have a drain pan ready and it takes a 8mm allen socket. After you drain out the coolant....replace the plug
with a little liquid teflon sealer to make sure it won't leak. Do not tighten this
much more than a little past snug. You do not want to strip this out.


http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/100_0336.jpg

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 02:04 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Next....I disconnected the egr tube from the stock manifold and from the intake from up above. This needs to be able to be moved out of the way to
knock out the driver side freeze plug to install the new fitting.

Once disconnected...it can be moved out of the way.

It takes a 1 1/16 inch wrench. If your car is a dd or has some milage...spray this down with some solvent to aid in it's removal. Mine broke right loose.
But my car has never seen any weather.


http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/100_0338.jpg

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 02:07 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
I took a small chisel and ball peen hammer and tapped the freeze plug on the driver side head at the very top of the plug. A few sharp taps popped it out
sideways like this. Then I used some pliers and pulled it out. Do not pry or mar
the freeze plug bore in the head.


http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/100_0339.jpg

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 02:12 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Wipe out the bore the freeze plug was in and then feel it with your finger....is it smooth? Clean? Ok then. EGR tube is movable...freeze plug out on driver side. Bore clean.

There is a bracket with two bolts tha must be loosened so the ear on the new driver side fitting will slide under the bracket and bolt flush to the head.

One bolt is a 10mm and the other is a 13mm. No need to remove....just loosen a 1/4 inch and pull braket back to make room for ear to slide under.

Couple pics: Bolt you see is the 10mm....this is driver side. 13mm is above it.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/100_0340.jpg

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 02:17 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
The next step was to remove the 2 10mm bolts from the stock passenger side fitting. After those are out....I wiggeld the fitting straight out of the head. Took some small channel locks...squeezed the hose clamp and removed the stock fitting and tossed it aside.

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 02:19 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
I lubed the o ring on the new driver side fitting with antifreeze and slipped it into the frezze plug bore. Tight fit....but easy enough. I left this loose for now...note ear that fits around 10mm bolt we loosened earlier. This ear goes
under the bracket.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/100_0344.jpg

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 02:27 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Here is the passenger side fitting in place. lube the o-ring with antifreeze and the hose ends...pop the fitting on the heater core line and slide it up...grip the clamp and re-install it. Pop the fitting in the head...and tighten the 2 10mm bolts. Gentle..no reason to be hercules on aluminum. snug. not too much.
I attache the hose on this side and tightened the clamp with an 8mm socket on a 1/4 drive ratchet. Don't crush the tube....but this one is important...so do not use a flat screwdriver....attach hose and clamp on driver side.

Almost done.http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/100_0345.jpg

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 02:33 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
I rotated the driver side fitting so the ear is arounf the bolt...under the old braket and tightened it all up. You will need to switch to wrenches here...
10 an 13m again....socket won't get on the bolts now.

Start the threads on the egr to manifold union...just start them and leave loose...now go and get the egr tube back into the intake....tighten it up,
then go below and tighten the egr to manifold.

Re-fill coolant. See threads here on that procedure. I can't start mine yet...
so I will have to wait.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/100_0346.jpg

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 02:36 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
There is a bracket that holds the wiring harness at the very top of the bellhousing. It's a huge pain in the *** and must be removed and discarded.
It only hinders trans re-install anyway. Chuck it. Notice how I have new blue
crossover hose under wiring harness in last picture. This holds harness up
and out of the way. Bonus.

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 02:41 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Another shot of the driver side fitting in place....note ear under bracket...not over. This is critical....screw this up and it leaks.


Any questions?

Took less than an hour actual working time....:33:

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/100_0348.jpg

SFMach1 02-24-2007 03:32 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
looks like a great job... so what's the benefit of doing this?

3150Mach1 02-24-2007 03:38 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Sweet install. Thanks for the pics. I need to get this kit when I upgrade the tranny and converter.

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 03:40 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
The driver side head on a 4 valve motor has a dead spot in the rear 2 cylinders #7 and #8 for coolant flow. It creates a hot spot that could lead to detonation with a supercharger or nitrous. Most 4 valve engine failures are
either ringland/piston damage or broken rod due to tuning issues leading to
detonation or the air/fuel mixture igniting early while the piston is still on the compression stroke....piston is going up....flame front and gases expanding down....stresses the piston/rod was not designed to ever see= boom boom.

This evens out coolant temps in the heads and is basically an insuarnace policy and peace of mind for my blower install.

hawk 02-24-2007 05:30 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Very nice write up, and very clear photos. Thanks MLP!

MyLittlePony 02-24-2007 05:38 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
I wish I had better writing skills. But thank you!!

I really like doing installs and taking pictures to share.
I will be doing alot more now I have a decent Camera
and new laptop. Makes the whole picture thing a no
brainer now.

I would suggest this mod to anyone who has to have thier tranny out
for any reason.

I did alot of research and the apten cooling mod, evenflow and the others
do not compare to this one. Fit, finish and design are superior.

Make sure to fully understand the coolant re-fill procedure.

Fastbandit99 02-24-2007 05:52 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Thank you for taking the time to write this thread.

one mach 1 02-25-2007 06:00 AM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Moderators, this needs to be a sticky thread. Great Job My little Pony!!:ORANGE:

blown03Mach1 02-25-2007 09:09 AM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Big thank you for this write up! When I end pulling my tranny for a new clutch, this cooling mod will be getting done at the same time! Great jobs explaining and photos to boot.

I agree with the previous post about this becoming a sticky. Dang good stuff right here!

03DSG 02-25-2007 09:46 AM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by one mach 1 (Post 751694)
Moderators, this needs to be a sticky thread. Great Job My little Pony!!:ORANGE:

+1 :THUMBSUP:

InDShadow 02-25-2007 09:54 AM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
very good write up and thanks for taking the time.

this mod is on my to do list. I just had both heads replaced and #7 piston. Now I wish I had them install this mod while the engine was out. :(

now I need to wait for the clutch to go.

Thanks again!!

:CHEERS:

hawk 02-25-2007 01:48 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by one mach 1 (Post 751694)
Moderators, this needs to be a sticky thread. Great Job My little Pony!!:ORANGE:

I agree, and since I figured out I could do that, well it is sticky now. :)

blown03Mach1 02-25-2007 02:03 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Great work Hawkpilot!

machgsxr 05-17-2007 05:08 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Hey MLP,

Im getting ready to do this mod this weekend and wanted to know if you took out any restrictors that go to the heater or did you leave both of them in.

Anyone else has comments or suggestions about that? M1M or anybody else who have done this.

machgsxr 05-18-2007 10:20 AM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
bump for an answer.

BONESTOCK 05-18-2007 06:09 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Great thread!!!

MyLittlePony 05-18-2007 11:23 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by machgsxr (Post 796422)
Hey MLP,

Im getting ready to do this mod this weekend and wanted to know if you took out any restrictors that go to the heater or did you leave both of them in.

Anyone else has comments or suggestions about that? M1M or anybody else who have done this.


I left them in......I did not think it was a good idea to alter the return flow.
All is well and the car does run cooler. It's a no brainer.

If you order one of these...tell them your from the Mach 1 Registry and Dave Davis sent you.....he may hook you up.

machgsxr 05-18-2007 11:37 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Too late. I ordered one and got it last week.

Im just having trouble removing the top two bolts in the tranny. Any tips?

MyLittlePony 05-18-2007 11:58 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
take the rear trans mount out.....let the trans down on the jack till it lowers it as low as possible while holding it up......use long extensions and a swivel
on the end. Have someone hold a light.....approach from the tail.....with extensions. 13mm . I put black tape on the swivel to limit its movement.

tulsamach1 08-16-2007 09:40 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by machgsxr (Post 796422)
Hey MLP,

Im getting ready to do this mod this weekend and wanted to know if you took out any restrictors that go to the heater or did you leave both of them in.

Anyone else has comments or suggestions about that? M1M or anybody else who have done this.

Great thread! What are the restrictors again?

tulsamach1 08-16-2007 11:07 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Oh, and what do they do and what are the advantages/disadvantages of taking them out vs. leaving them in?

greygod 09-10-2007 06:17 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
has anyone had any issues wiht overheating
after doing this mod?

03AV8R 09-17-2007 11:28 AM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Im doing this mod tomorrow while exchanging the clutch.. I printed everything out, looks pretty straight forward, Nice Write-Up!!

Id like to take out the EGR permanently at the same time (i have the block offs for both ends).. Is blocking off the EGR without turning it off in the tune gonna be a problem?? I realize im prolly gonna get a check engine lite till i have it turned off by my tuner but in the meantime is it gonna be a problem besides the CE lite im gonna have?? :what:

STREET BULLY 09-17-2007 01:27 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MyLittlePony (Post 749741)
Actually....it's a table top with slate tiles.
Allthough...I happen to own and operate a tile business.
So...if you ever need tile advice....I 've been doing it 16 years.

I have that exect same table at home in my living room. Good taste man!

03AV8R 09-17-2007 05:43 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder (Post 859137)
Don't worry about it Rodney. Remember EGR is NOT used at full throttle anyway.

Yea i knows that, i was really windering about those other "things" bolted to the lid with the vacuum lines & connectors ill be ripping out in a couple minutes.. Ive already ripped out & capped off the EGR tube & am looking at removing the rest of the little pieces that the vacuum lines went to.. Obviously those arent gonna be operational anymore.. :)

G 09-17-2007 06:06 PM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 03AV8R (Post 859264)
Yea i knows that, i was really windering about those other "things" bolted to the lid with the vacuum lines & connectors ill be ripping out in a couple minutes.. Ive already ripped out & capped off the EGR tube & am looking at removing the rest of the little pieces that the vacuum lines went to.. Obviously those arent gonna be operational anymore.. :)

2 good threads :OUCH:

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/...ht=egr+removal

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/...&highlight=egr

03AV8R 09-21-2007 09:40 AM

Re: LDC Cooling mod install.
 
Pretty easy mod to do with these instructions!! I never even looked at the directions that came with the cooling mod.. I thought if i got in trouble i might hafta look over at the other directions, but never did. These instructions & pictures MyLittlePony built are just about perfect! :COOL:

The hardest part for me was tapping in the new black metal junction piece on the drivers side freeze plug.. Sum-beitch didnt wanna go in for sheit & its a tougher spot then the other side for some freaky reason.. Its closer to the floor boards on that side & gets in the way more :??:


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