lost oil pressure
 

confirmed via mechanical gauge, absolutely zero oil pressure. Im going to guess the oil pump gears.

That will make 3 procharged cars with Innovators West crank pulleys that shattered the stock oil pump gears that I know of on this board. I never once hit the limiter so there goes my theory on that one

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Sorry to hear that.

I've always felt it has more to do with the sudden acceleration and deceleration of the engine that beats the gears to death. I base this theory on the wear marks that are on both sides of the gears.

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That sucks. Sorry to hear that. Didn't you just get it running too? Hopefully the damage isn't too bad.

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IW is a solid piece correct?

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Ya, it hasn't been running that long because it kept going down for minor upgrades and tweaks.

I don't remember if the IW piece is just solid or not

**** that is rough. Sorry to hear.

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Ya, not gonna lie, definitely feeling pretty down about it

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Man sorry to hear this, I know you were just doing the oil sender..hopefully all is well inside... what was the circumstances when it went to zero?? Idling in garage, driving??

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Curious to hear your thoughts on how the balancer can break the gears.

Sorry to hear bud

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the factory gauge had been on the fritz, it would bounce back and forth between normal and 0 on a pretty regular interval so I think the sender was on its way out anyway. I had some noises from the old thump tensioner rubbing the timing cover again and the leaky header gasket so its hard to pinpoint really. The only time it as making any noise was just idling in the garage so hopefully its minimal.

these motors are internally balanced, the crank pulley is just a dampner. My thought based on the other 2 cars that I knew of was that hitting the rev limiter was causing them to fail. I dont know for sure that nekasrof or his wife hit the limiter but I know the guy with the Orange mach hit it quite a few times thanks to the tune in his auto car.

At this point I dont know if theres some kind of vibration the IW piece just doesnt dampen properly and it wipes out the gears or the fact that all of us were well over 600 at the wheels

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Makes sense to me, you are eliminating a forgiving rubber damper with a solid piece.

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from the IW website, its not just a solid piece

Inside the light weight billet aluminum cover is a free floating wet friction clutch pack assembly that utilizes spring loaded inertia rings to dampen crankshaft harmonics over a wide RPM range. The rings work in conjunction with clutches to provide outstanding dampening action. That action does generate some heat, and we use a small amount of fluid inside that acts as a lubricant as well as dissipates heat to the outer body.

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Disregard then. I thought they were just machined parts.
I would still try an ATI next if I was you, granted if moneys are there.

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I have not seen any failures anywhere when upgrading to the billet gears but I will be looking into it. I will probably move to a 10% OD crank pulley and go ahead and spin the D1 close to its red line.

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I'm worried as well. Does it make sense to pull the motor apart and replace the gears proactively? What kind of job/labor is it? Easier to do with motor out of car?

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if I could back I would...a set of gears from someone like TSS is around $400. Youd be in it for the gears + crank pulley bolt + timing cover gasket and if theres any seals on the pump.

definitely easier out of the car but very doable in the car. valve covers need to be loosened up, oil pan bolts to the timing cover take out, power steering pump removed and the crank pulley removed. Removing the crank pulley usually means unbolting the expansion tank and moving it to the side (dont have to drain it) and removing the cooling fan (you CAN get it out, just be careful) to fit the pulley pulley on there.

once you get the timing cover off you need to mark all you timing chains appropriately and remove them. The timing gears come off then its supposedly super easy to yank the pump, switch the gears and pack em with assembly lube then put it all back.

Its a lot of stuff to do but looks like none of it is incredibly difficult. If you pay a shop youre looking at 800-1000bucks + parts. Doing it yourself even with a new pump youd be at under $600 with gaskets and rtv...Now if Im the luckiest man alive Ill be out $600 but likely quite a bit more up to a whole damned new motor

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**** man , that sucks to hear..What pump and gears did you go with ? Ive always had great luck with termys and twin screws on stock pumps..

It is hard to pinpoint things like this when nothing is stock anymore haha.. Hope it works out and no damage was done..

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not sure what Im gonna do but leaning towards a TSS matched set of billet gears and pump

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Sorry to hear this dude. As you know, you're not even close to being the first to break those gears making that kind of power. Don't sweat it too much though. Everything balances.

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If you plan on making that much power, I would proactively put upgraded oil pump gears in it, I know I did.

DSG2003Mach1,
Sorry to hear the bad news, I know exactly how you feel and it is no picnic. I took a few months away from the car when mine died, needed to regain my composure. Starting back on mine this week, unless I get that instant anger feeling when I walk into the garage and look at her. :)

That's why I went with the Melling when I built my engine. I've bwen running the ATI 12% overdrive with no issues. If you're looking for a crank pulley let me know. I don't need my ATI anymore and am looking to sell it.

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If it's an 8 rib shoot me a pride and I'll look into it...I think I can get away with that without really over spinning the blower... Was thinking at least a 10% over drive while this is going on.... Come back stronger than before

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D@mn man that really sucks @ss!!! Im procharged with the IW Overdrive balancer. I did go with MMR pump and billet gears, hopefully it works out. I would go with TSS also I've read only good things about them.

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is it at 0 always?

if its only under heavy throttle your pickup tube could be gunked up. I'm sure you know that though

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It was zero on the mechanical gauge at idle