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redmach2K3 03-05-2011 10:21 AM

HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
What is the limit? Im going to E85 for about 650-700 rwhp and am trying to figure out if I need to upgrade my rails and lines as well?

ASH302 03-05-2011 05:15 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
i'm at 554rwhp and fixin to put my power pipe so should be good for a easy 600rwhp. i don't know what the max is, but i'm still good to go

ASh

NeverEnuff 03-05-2011 06:54 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Ive done over 650rwhp on them.

ASH302 03-06-2011 06:17 AM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
i figure i could get 700rwhp out of the stock set up rails and lines before having to switch

ASh

Macker 03-08-2011 03:27 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
On a related note......how big are the stock injectors on the Machs? I"m only looking at heading up to approx. 500HP (Crank). Do I really need to upgrade the stock injectors and Fuel Pump for my Procharger install?

littlemags 03-08-2011 04:13 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by macker (Post 1371596)
on a related note......how big are the stock injectors on the machs? I"m only looking at heading up to approx. 500hp (crank). Do i really need to upgrade the stock injectors and fuel pump for my procharger install?

yes...without a doubt!

ASH302 03-08-2011 04:19 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Macker (Post 1371596)
On a related note......how big are the stock injectors on the Machs? I"m only looking at heading up to approx. 500HP (Crank). Do I really need to upgrade the stock injectors and Fuel Pump for my Procharger install?

you will need atleast a 39lb if not a 42lb injector and also a different fuel pump. just very wise choice to make, don't go cheap on it, make sure you do all that you need to do to be safe

ASh

04azuremach 03-08-2011 05:26 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Macker (Post 1371596)
On a related note......how big are the stock injectors on the Machs? I"m only looking at heading up to approx. 500HP (Crank). Do I really need to upgrade the stock injectors and Fuel Pump for my Procharger install?

They're only 24 lbs and yes you absolutely need to upgrade them if you supercharge your vehicle. I maxxed them out NA with a stroker build.

As far as the stock rails and lines go, I made 650 rwhp through a C4, so they can sustain quite a bit of power.

ASH302 03-08-2011 06:56 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 04azuremach (Post 1371637)
They're only 24 lbs and yes you absolutely need to upgrade them if you supercharge your vehicle. I maxxed them out NA with a stroker build.

As far as the stock rails and lines go, I made 650 rwhp through a C4, so they can sustain quite a bit of power.

with him not going big hp numbers he will be good. again i'm at 554 and prob will be at 600rwhp here shortly and still not upgrading the fuel lines, maybe down the road, but not needed, but the fuel injectors and pump a mustang. i would suggest anyone to just go ahead and get 60lb injectors that way you have run to grow and they are there and your done on injectors unless you are going crazy hp in the future

ASh

Macker 03-09-2011 05:04 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Thanks all for the advice. I'm going to go with the fuel pump and injectors that are supplied with the Procharger Complete system.

I've see some online retailers that are also supplying a MAFia (Diablosport?) with their complete systems......I'm assuming this helps with ensuring the stock MAF calibrates correctly with the supercharger added? It's not supplied with Procharger kit, so I'm assuming that they accomplish the same thing via the supplied chip....or optional Diablosport Predator programmer.....??

Newskool Mach 03-09-2011 05:18 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Remember you guys he says he is going the E85 route. E85 uses a minimum of 1/3 more fuel to make the same hp. He will need to upgrade for 700RWHP using E85!!

Scott McClure 03-13-2011 08:46 AM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Newskool Mach (Post 1372022)
Remember you guys he says he is going the E85 route. E85 uses a minimum of 1/3 more fuel to make the same hp. He will need to upgrade for 700RWHP using E85!!

Exactly. Everyone is giving advice but not for what the OP is using, E85. That changes everything.

Nekasrof 03-13-2011 09:46 AM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Just buy the fuel system for E85 and be done with it.

ASH302 03-14-2011 05:09 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
i guess i was reading too fast, sorry guys

ASh

04azuremach 03-15-2011 10:07 AM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Not sure why anyone would go to E85 when you can just get a tune for C16 and use 93 when driving normally, but if you do go E85, definitely upgrade your entire fuel system.

Fenixfire 03-15-2011 12:38 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 04azuremach (Post 1374068)
Not sure why anyone would go to E85 when you can just get a tune for C16 and use 93 when driving normally, but if you do go E85, definitely upgrade your entire fuel system.

Because you can use 93 when driving normally and switch to e85 tune for the track and it costs about 5 dollars per gallon less than C16 and has so far been proven to actually make abit more power than C16.

TKat13 03-15-2011 12:58 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Friend of mine made 712HP at the wheels on E85, dual pumps, BAP, fuel rails and 80# injectors and return style fuel lines. His setup can handle much more than 700HP. However, when he converted to E85 he already had all of this but he had to upgrade his injectors from 60# to 80#.

My point is, you will need some really big injectors to do 700HP with E85!

TKat13 03-15-2011 01:02 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
and... with really big injectors come all the other supporting mods required to support that much fuel flow... pumps, etc.

Fenixfire 03-15-2011 01:13 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Tripple Fore hat with tripple Ford GT pumps, dual FPDMs with -8 AN fuel lines, Fore fuel rails and 80# injectors setup in a return style will easily support 700+ hp on e85, no BAP required.

TKat13 03-15-2011 01:16 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenixfire (Post 1374159)
Tripple Fore hat with tripple Ford GT pumps, dual FPDMs with -8 AN fuel lines, Fore fuel rails and 80# injectors setup in a return style will easily support 700+ hp on e85, no BAP required.

That's a nice setup!

I think I have pump envy. lol

ASH302 03-15-2011 03:22 PM

Re: HP limit for stock rails and stock fuel lines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenixfire (Post 1374159)
Tripple Fore hat with tripple Ford GT pumps, dual FPDMs with -8 AN fuel lines, Fore fuel rails and 80# injectors setup in a return style will easily support 700+ hp on e85, no BAP required.

Fore fuel hats are so nice looking, just couldn't spend the moeny on one

ASh


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