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Exactly. If it was earlier in the race or if JR hadn't been out front the white flag would have flown. Cars smashing into each other, and parts falling off of wreck cars aren't reason to call a caution? Then what is? Oh, yes...a soda can!

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The race was not rigged for Jr. to win. Think about it guys, if they wanted Jr. to win, the WOULD HAVE thrown the yellow cause that would have frozen the field and Jr. would have won regardless as long as he could coast across the line. Yes if it was earlier in the race or even 2 laps to go, they would have thrown the caution but look back on other races. When it's the last lap and there is a crash like this, the rarely ever throw the caution. They usually let them race to the checkers in this situation cause by time the cars get back to the wreck, the race is over and they are already well slowed down by the time they get to the wreck. NASCAR didn't do anything different on the last lap of this race that they have done in the past. They WILL throw the caution on the last lap if the cars are all pretty spread out on the track and there is wreck up front but when all the cars are bunched together like yesterday, they usually let them race to the end.

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Except that the white flag had not been thrown yet. If it had then the race would have been over. Has they thrown the yellow to put into motion another helping of green/white checkered then Jr. could have possibly hit pit road and gotten a splash of fuel to finish, possibly with a win and given NASCAR what it so badly wants. But their knee-jerk reaction to the moment bit them on the butt.

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But if the yellow flag flew,Jr. still wouldn't have had enough fuel to make it to the end so he would have had to gone to the pits for a splash of fuel. He would have finished much worse then he did cause a lot of cars had enough fuel to get to the end so they wouldn't have had to pit. In this case, Jr. would have finished well outside the top ten. Either way, Jr. wouldn't have won this race. It was either run out of fuel or pit and finish worse then what he did. There is no way that this was rigged from NASCAR cause like someone said before, if NASCAR was rigging races so Jr. can win, it would have been done a LONG LONG LONG time ago.

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They have been, but he's such a lousy driver he can't win the one's he's handed!:23:

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^^This. While the wreck behind them was happening their's no doubt in my mind that someone was on a walkie talkie yelling "DON'T THROW A CAUTION!!!". It was just so beyond obvious that a caution should have been thrown. In hindsight, yeah he would'nt have won the race, but no one knew he was gonna run out of gas at that time. Otherwise, it was an easy scumbag win.

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Looks like Jale JR needs free gas card from Nascar lol:23:

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So who's gonna punch KB today?

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My dad is in the infield standing on a 40ft. long school bus right now at Kansas. My cousin completely refurbished the bus afew years ago. It sleeps 8 and has a shower, toilet, oven, fridge. It's as good as any $250K RV.

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Well, what do you know. They call a caution for a water bottle this week. Far more important than spinning race cars and no caution last week.

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Kurt had everyone covered today in CA. If that race was longer perhaps Juan could have hit a few more cars. :SMASH: :eyebrows:

What a buttttthead

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Yeah, he was driving like an a$$ all race.

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Glad he got what he 'earned'. The Nationwide race was a total 'cluster' in the end, wiht 3 green-white checkers and the leader running our of fuel, then the #7 speeding away like he won!?!

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Fords look good for Coke zero 400:thumbsup:

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Bring back the freight train. Nut to butt racing sucks.

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Lots of fans disguised as empty seats at Daytona last night.

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I noticed that too.

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I'm pretty shocked. About 3 people sitting in all of the backstretch seating. I bet it seats 50,000 back there. I hate Kaselowski.

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Hose down the inside of Edward's car! Hilarious!!! :23:

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I'll bet is smells something aweful in that car.

Hate it for Carl, and really hate it for Bayne. Looks like Matt might be our best hope, but it looks like Biff might have a chance...with Kesolowski?

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Cool to see Ragan win, even though it was an assisted win. That guy has been way overdue to win a race. I think Menard is due to win a race soon. He's up front almost every week. He's got a good team.

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Very nice to see Ragan for the win, with his assist form Matt. I'm sure the redemption from the mistake at the earlier Daytona race is now a forgotten memory.

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:UPS: Congast David Regan

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I have said it before and I will continue to say it. Jimmy Johnson's custom made chase to the championship is bad for NASCAR.... All he has to do is qualify for the chase and he is awarded with 10 of his best tracks.

NASCAR needs to do some serious restructuring if they want the fans to come back.

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I think it started the decline when toiletta was allowed to run

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I wonder how many other people won't go to Talladega or Daytona because of the nut to butt racing. I for one won't, and I could easily go to Talladega each year. Seems strange they changed the points system the very next year after Kenseth blew everyone away to get his title, but they waited till after Johnson got 5 to change it again. It's alot of different stuff that has dropped attendance.

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I was expecting the Chicago race, but the first time at Kentucky should be interesting. I see they dumped the Chicago race to the middle of September.

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Currently race is led by "Flash in the bedpan" Kyle Busch in his toiletta

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I guarantee you that race was a sellout. Any inaugural Cup race is huge. I went to the first night Cup race at Daytona in '98 and paid $200 for a $55 face value ticket, but to me it was well worth it.

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It was a sellout, and the stands looked full, but from the reports on the news over 20k people never got into the track due to traffic problems! They can't get it right, even when they get it right!

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....and then they reversed the traffic flow to everyone going "out" at the halfway point of the race. I can only imagine the tempers and the confusion.






Big Ron :D

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Once again, NASCAR screwing with the people who are funding the sport... A couple of more years and NASCAR will be in a lock out or bankrupt.

I know some are going to say this was a new race at this track so how would they have known? Granted it is the first time the Sprint clowns have raced there, but their trucks were there last year and this is not NASCAR's first big race crowd that they had to deal with!

Well let me take that back. Looking at the empty seats in the stands this year, it may be their biggest crowd this year. Certainly wont be next year.


Way to go NASCAR and show your fans how it is done. Maybe they all should have followed the M&M slogan "M&M"s make race day more fun!"

WAFJ...

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That's why you always leave plenty of time to get to the track. I mean hours ahead. If it was me, I'd be AT the track waiting for parking 3-4 hours ahead of race time. The biggest idiots are the ones LEAVING half way through the race to beat traffic home. Morons. I'd be surprised if the truck race or Nationwide races have ever sold that place out, but they definitely should have known to have extra staff ready for the Cup race.

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That track has had traffic problems from the day it was built. Not really sure you can blame it all on NASCAR. It's Burton's track afterall. Maybe instead of bitching about it he should pony up some of his own cash for new roads. I know if I was a tax payer in that state and they spent money to improve roads for a NASCAR race I'd be pissed, and I like NASCAR.

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The roads should have been taken care of when the track was built, or added onto if it's an old track. Some tracks definitely have better entrance/exit than others, but for the most part where does Nascar put these tracks? In the friggin' sticks, and just 2 way roads to get in and out for awhile. It should be expected. Nascar races still draw tons more fans than any football game, and the wealth of the fans is far higher. Millionares up the wazoo go to these races.

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I can't believe that you are comparing the size of the crowd at a NASCAR truck race to a Sprint cup race at this track!!! The Sprint cup race probably has at least 4 times the people there then any given truck race. You can't blame NASCAR because there isn't enough roads to a track. Blame the track owner. It's amazing how people blame NASCAR for everything that goes wrong.

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I wouldn't blame NASCAR, but whomever owns the track and sets up the traffic control is seriously underestimating their job. We've got a college stadium that handles more people than this track, and does it a dozen times a year. Maybe they should ASK!

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For those that say NASCAR is not to blame, are you saying that NASCAR had zero say in the race moving from Atlanta to Knoxville?

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Pretty much.
If Bruton Smith "owns" the dates,
he can ask for a race at one of his tracks.

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That track seats 100,000 but it'a a 1 1/2 mile track. You've got a minimum 10,000+ more in the the infield.

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So lets say you went to a NFL game and missed the first quarter because of traffic. I bet you wouldn't blame the NFL for it, you would blame either the owners of the stadium or the city officials. NASCAR is not in charge of traffic control around the tracks. That's up to the track owners or the city/State that the track is located in.

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I just got an email from MIS about this past weekends fiasco. It's from the president of that speedway and addresses the shortcomings of the planning and execution of an event and how it should be done. It plainly places the blame on the track owners and so it should. NASCAR probabyl should have some oversight, and in the future may do so but what happened falls squarely on the shoulders of Kentucky Speedway.
Autoweek has an online article aobut it as well as an offering from Kentucky to appease fans...
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2011...SCAR/110719976

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I figured the attendance numbers quoted also included the infield estimatation.

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I was happy to finally see the ARMY car win. The truck race was pretty good too. It was nice to see the two guys up front drive each other hard but clean. It says a lot for Austin who is not normally high on my list.

WTH, Ricky Carmichael can't get a break. :SMASH:

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I got to KY Speedway early that day it was wow at 9am until 2am give any a hint leave early,:worship:

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Sad news for Mustang fans, the new Ford body for the Cup series will be the Fusion, and not the Mustang as was hoped. Ford announced it yesterday. Blah!

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Yep, the 2 door fusion. :D

The stock car racing business is getting to be a joke. :eek:

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Fixed!

:laugh:

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Doesn't really matter. The only car in the Busch series that looks close is the Dodge anyway. The Mustang and Craparrow look like hell.

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I think the Mustang pulls off the lines pretty well, but the GM is an Impala and the 'Yota is still a Camry. Not sure what the other thing you're talking about is...

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