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:worship:+1

212.809....after that all the cry babies have had control over NASCAR.

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Met him a few times at Ford Development,
really a cool guy.
Met his Mom in Dawsonville.

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Nope, that's not right.

2010 season 36 points races - 13 different drivers won
1975 season 30 points races - 8 different drivers (Petty had a good year with 10 wins but still had 7 other drivers with wins)

If you go out of the modern era the number of races goes way up and so does the number of winners.

1964 had 64 races and 18 different winners. Some of the races had very few cars that year and it was marked with tragedy.

Long story short not much has changed since about 1958. There was some very wild stats prior to the 58 season. There were many races that had more than 43 cars NOT finish the race. :23:

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Yeah Awesome Bill will always have that record of the fastest speed, but I wonder if it was more the fact Bobby Allison almost ending up in the stands, that made NASCAR slow them down. I think either way Bobby would have wrecked the same, even if they had slowed them down. Look what happened to Carl Edwards; same thing. All of these happened at the same track too.

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My sentiments exactly. JJ + COT = the least interesting racing ever.

Some say the racing died with the restrictor plate but I say it really died with Earnhardt. I was not a #3 fan (I didn't "hate" him but as the lone Ford guy in my group of buddies I couldn't root for him either!) but I really think he'd be kicking Brian France's butt literally and figuratively for all the retarded changes they've made to the sport. I watched a total of 3 races this year--the two Daytonas and Homestead--which are the least # of races I've seen in probably 15 years. That COT has made the sport absolutely boring!

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COT really did NASCAR in, your right. Earnhardt, I sortta agree. He had more control for the drivers. Didn't like him either, but after a while I did respct him, in the late 90's.

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Elliott and Bobby Allison were at Talladega,
I think Edwards was at Atlanta?
I kinda miss Davey and Kulwicki

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I didn't even want to think about that part of it. It hurts too much. I miss seeing Mighty Mouse on Kulwickis driver suit.

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You are going by the amount of races and the amount of teams that DID win. OK there were 8 winners that year and probably those were the only 8 teams that even had a chance to win a race. The other cars were basically fill ins just to get a bigger field of cars. 2010 had 13 winners but there at least 20 - 25 teams (if not more)that were competitve enough to win a race compared to the 8 teams back then which makes it harder to win a race nowdays. So you take 20 -25 competitive teams compared to 8 competitive teams, how is that the same? Basically, back then, whoever had the most money couild win a race when nowdays a lower budget team can win just as much as an elite team like Hendricks and Rousch.

There was a big article about this somewhere on the web a few years back. I'll have to try to find it again. It showed comparisons from then and now and how much harder it is nowdays to be successful in NASCAR.

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Curious what is the furthest back someone was at the beggining of the chase and ended up winning the chase?

If my mind has not completely left me, the winner of the chase has never started the chase out of the top 5.

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I'll agree with part of what you are saying. There were propably only 8 teams that had a chance to win every week back then. The difference is that only equalled 8 cars. Today you have 15-20 cars that could win every week but they belong to less than a handful of teams. While the names on the cars may differ they all belong to Roush, Hendrick, Childress, Penske, or Gibbs. Everyone else just fills the feild and occassionally gets a win and no I didn't forget about Stewart-Haus, Waltrip, or Petty. To me they are teams that just happen to get a win, not a team that you expect to win every week.

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It was not that way back in the 60s and 70s. There were really about the same percentage of so called "filler" cars. It was not possible to make a living as a filler car back then and the use of "ringer" drivers is not talked about that much but it was a very common practice. Bounties were also a promoter tool that worked well. You just plain can't compare that era with today. Back then guys were changing engines DURING the race and developing professional pit crews. It was a time that set a standard for today that has been screwed up by the Chase, COT, and growth that was too rapid. The core and founding fans and teams have been nearly forgotten.

To say that current era drivers like JJ are somehow better than lets say Joe Weatherly is total BS. Weatherly won a championship while driving part time for several different teams in the same year. He also came from motorcycle racing, he was AMA #1 and an extraordinary rider. Had he not died while champion I think he would have been much more prominent in the record books.

While I agree with many of the points about how tough it is to win a race today, the drivers are no longer "bigger than life". Little Joe, Jr Johnson, the Petty clan, and so many others had character; today when have only a few. We will never see guys like the Flock brothers (and sister) on the race track again and that's our lose.

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Only 87 more days till the 2011 Daytona 500 (2/20/2011) and......the drive for six!







Big Ron :claus:

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well I guess we can all start making predictions for next year...

I am really hoping its a dominating year for ford...namely Carl Edwards! David Ragan was really starting to get better hopefully he can start the year with a win as well. As much as I dont wanna see JJ win another one (I dont hate him or dislike him just want to see other talent win) Its a very real possibility.

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I think some rule changes could really shake things up next year. Perhaps

No team rules
No pit crew swaps
No top 35 lock in BS
No freaking chase
Ditch the owner championships in all divisions
Limit teams to 2 cars MAX and give special perks to single car operators
Have at least 2 races on dirt each season

If the chase must stay use different tracks, but I really hate the chase format.

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Ban any brand that is not American.

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If they would listen to you nascar would be interesting again

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So Ford and Chevy huh?

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Its 2006 data published in 2007. Its the fastest thing I could find. Good info though. I was surprised at how many American made vehicles are still made here. I have been under the impression for years that if you wanted an American made vehicle you needed to buy a Toyota or Nissan. Its quite the opposite in most cases. Im sure some of these numbers have changed but Im also sure none of them have changed drastically enough to say that you need to buy an import to get and American made vehicle. Im gonna look more into this. Hey, at least we know our machs were made in America!

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...nt-chart_N.htm

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Ford and GM are the only American car companies. Chrysler is owned by Fiat. I guess they could run Mercury, Lincoln, Buick, or Cadillac.

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I totally agree! Especially, NO TOP 35 LOCK IN...what a bunch of crap!
If you're fast enough for the 'show', you're in! The slowest cars go home!

And I think that the last race of the year should be at a road course
...pick one...Watkins Glen, Laguna Seca...whatever!

And no more Sprint Cup guys racin' in the Nationwide Series
...leave that series to the guys & gals that want to learn & move up...Trucks, okay

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well technically gm is owned by china...they loaned us the money to bail them out:23:

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Nah, that was a loan.

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yea, the govt loaned them the money. where do you think the govt got the money?

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Fixed...

:borg:

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I thought about that but think it helps having the more experienced Cup drivers available as mentors and to help sell tickets. I would like to see them limited to 5 races in any of the top divisions (Cup, NW, or Trucks) that they are not running for a championship in. That would work both up and down. If a cup guy wants to be involved in NW let him own a team (max of 2 cars) and develop new talent. That's not just drivers but crew as well. He could pick 5 races to drive in and then either park the car or put in a NW driver. If you take away the owner points then you add some stability for the drivers. The owner then has to select, develop, and support his driver to win a championship. There should be provisions for retaining driver points if it's beyond the control of both parties, like the medical issue with Vickers.

If you like racing more like it was in the early days, the modified series is awesome. It could be I'm a bit prejudiced by my past but modifieds are just a blast to watch. I have memories I cherish from the mid 60s to the early 70s that are burned into my mind. My dad was involved in that division as a driver, owner, and builder from the late 40s until the 70s. He was never big time but was a steady driver that took me to every event he could. It messed me up for life. :23:

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Pretty much.
We can Grandfather in Mopar, but that's it.
There should be a tourist trap at the tracks.
A port-o-pottie conveniently placed over the toiletta display,..............
SPLAT !!!!

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I there has been talk of late of allowing Cup drivers to race any amount of N'Wide races, but not be eligible for the championship. Not a bad idea, maybe a seperate trophy got those who do chose to participate. I thing that a racer wants to race at any opportunity, and whether its the truck series of N'Wide series it's an additional chance to get behind the wheel of a race car and compete.

:borg:

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Good point, but it would be cheaper for nascar to give trophies
to people in the stands at truck races.
100,000 fans disguised as empty seats.
NWS is getting to be the same.

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Let them go back to the way it was. The cup drivers used to drop in at local tracks and drive LMS, modifieds, IMCA, etc...

They gave the fans a thrill, picked up some show money, and normally put on a good show. Many times they would drive local cars. I remember having Petty, Pearson, and Donnie Allison show at our home track around 1969. They drove mid pack LMS cars when the seats were given up by the car owners. They finished 1st, 2nd, and 4th in those "filler" cars. Allison was actually leading the closing laps but when he was challenged by Pearson it gave Petty a chance to pass them both. What an exciting night. I was roughly 10 then and standing on the tire rack of our trailer when my Dad told me to get his helmet out of the truck. I handed to David Pearson who was about to take my dad's modified around some in practice.

It was a different time. I remember the drivers above and some of the locals having hot dogs, bologna burgers, watermelon, deviled eggs, RC cola, and crackers on our tailgate and open trailer. That was the short track life back then. It was the time of my life and I sure wish I had a digital camera back then. :23:

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Iam N'wide guy now until 2012 because Ford useing Ford Mustang GTs:smokin:

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Kasey Kahne and Kyle Busch do an annual event at Williams Grove Speedway. Kasey borrows a 410 Sprint car and Kyle a Super Late Model. Last year the driver I used to help (before taking current job) beat Kyle. This year Kyle used one of Jason's cars. The deal is they pay a fee to use the car and pay to repair any damage done to the car.

I'm with ya about being more of a fan to the local track, all of ours are dirt. Must better racing. You got 20-25 laps to get to the front and you have to live with the pre-race setup.

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Not a fan of either one.

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Yep that's he kind of stuff I'm talking about.

Too bad cheby is not running Camaro stickers. :23:

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An interesting article on Autoweeks website answers soem of my questions about the chase, and how it's impacted the points winners.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2010...CING/101129936
:borg:

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Oh, I just remembered, the season is over...Thank goodness! I guess I'll look forward to next season. Maybe. The driver I really don't care for, but starting to like just a little, is the BEST and most EXCITING driver out there. That's not good.:crazy: I'm still gonna say gooo Carl anyway.

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Next year going be Carl's year.:smokin:

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Good read. I hate the chase. :smokin:

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Agree. Love the bold! :23:

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:agree::CHEERS:Two races on the dirt.....I would love to see that. :claus:

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Take the plates off

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this

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Here is an article about Jimmie Johnson regarding my statements a few days ago about him being possible one of the best drivers in NASCAR of all time. Kinda shows that I AM right on this topic.

http://www.nascar.com/news/101130/jj...ver/index.html

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I heard a nasty rumor.
I heard Volkswagen is coming in eventually.
Allegedly met with Brian "The Pansy" France last week.
ASSCAR is officially dead as soon as that happens.
A new series started by Roush, Hendrick, etc. will
bring American racing back to where it belongs.

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5 in a row is far better than any 7 titles in 20 or 30 years, but since the points change in 2004 it skews the results. He's the best driver from 2004-Present.

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I knew that VW was going after Toyota, I just didnt' think it would be on the race track. Someone fix this, please!

:borg:

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I can't wait for Kia to get in on the act as well as Hyundai. Would be a real treat that way we can say that Nascar has gone global.:crazy:

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I love seeing all the people who are in bed and nut hugging with Gimme Johnson! Old points system he would only have 3 championships. New points systems gave him his other two.

He is by far NOT the greatest driver ever!!! Back in the day, a driver actually had to drive a car. By that I mean you did not simply flat foot it around the track like today’s drivers do. If today’s drivers cannot flat foot it, they bytch about spring rates, shock combos, aero, track bar, wedge, stupid crew chief, and tires... I say to today’s drivers SHUT YOUR TRAPS AND LEARN TO DRIVE for Christ sake! Oh wait, Gimme Johnson can drive. Well at least on the only last ten races that COUNT... The chase is such B.S.!!!

NASCAR I think you have officially lost me and you will have to work hard to earn me back. I currently view NASCAR like watching the same movie over and over and over and over again. After the first time, you know how its going to end, so why watch?

Gimme Johnson is NASCAR's golden boy in their eyes, but look what he has done for fans in the seats.....

Nuff said and last post on NASCAR from me...

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"The Van Camp's Fart Can 500, brought to you by Minute Rice".

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Some of you guys are looking at Just the number of championships Jimmie has. When I say he is one of the greatest, I'm not going by just championships. Look at ALL the stats in this article. Yes I know he wouldn't have 5 in a row if it wasn't for the chase;. I'm not arguing that. Look at his total wins right now and how much quicker he accomplished it then other hall of fame drivers. Like I said, look at ALL the stats, not just the number of championships. His success is coming quicker in his career then the hall of fame drivers.
Here is a link to the article again.
http://www.nascar.com/news/101130/jj...ver/index.html