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the Toyota cars had a bigger restrictor plate for the nationwide race. The race was a debut for the new body styles. Mustang, challenger etc.

I'm not sure why Gibbs was experimenting with that particular plate, but Kyle and the other toyotas were out-matched on HP by the rest of the field. He could have easily moved around jr. No doubt about it.

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Well that was certainly a fun little race last night for the N'Wide guys. Looks like Brad (or at least his dad) can't deal with playing with the big boys. Carl gave him payback, and then the 'fun' started.

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Mr backflip might be in trouble again.. Makes for great show but there's a limit to anything. Spin out in corner is different than in the straight away. But, brad knows how Carl is and he shouldve waited til turn 4 to bump and run instead of 2! :23:

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Brad just got a taste of what he was dishing out, just with a bit more spice. Remember, this all goes back to when Brad put Carl into the catch fence (Atlanta?) last year. It ain't over...

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We caught the end of the race waiting for drag racing to start. I joked that Carl was going to do that about two laps before it happened. After watching the post race interview, my wife's theory is that Edwards is a sociopath.

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Spring race at Talladega last year. I was in the infield at that race.

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Thanks for the correction. I knew it had happened at a big track, but I didn't recall which one.

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They've been doing this for a while, not just at talladega.

Edwards IS a sociopath. Keselowski picked the wrong guy to F with.

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Your wife is correct but his problems don't end there. This illustrates the problem with NASCAR failing to get him under control after Atlanta. The potential to kill or hurt fans or other drivers is high and he does not have the self control to NOT act irresponsibly. Look at the damage he has caused to the other teams; it's sickening that he cares so little for his fellow competitors.

I think anyone who considers what he did as payback for the little bump he got from Brad is blind. He could have been shoved into the wall if that's what Brad wanted to do. Brad had a better car at all points in the race and the only way Carl could win was the low class move he made on the last lap. At one time I considered CE as one of my favorite drivers but now he is rated lower than even kyle big ears.

I'm not a fan of Rick Hendrick but you notice he has not considered CE as a candidate to work for him. It's more than contract related. :crazy:

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That a boy Carl!! Loved it!!!

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i dont fault carl at all....if brad hadnt gone in the the fences at talledega none of this would be being discussed. many drivers do the same thing carl did at dega. its foolish anytime some one spins another at high speeds but that car going airborne was just as much a design issue as it was bad choice from carl. with the wing that was on the cars then it created lift. nascar knew it too...thats why they were already talking about going back to the spoiler when that crash happened. if that car had not gotten airborne no one would have thought twice about the crash. carl is still my driver even though he aint doing worth a **** this year...and i really hope brads dad "does something about it"

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Carl races everybody clean untill they give him a reason to do otherwise. Brad had given him many reasons in that race to do what he did. There was no way brad would have caught Carl if he wouldn't have bumped him. Everyone is saying it was a sickening win by Carl, even if brad won he would have moved him out of the way to do so. What happens after you spin a guy out is not under your control. The aftermath of that could have gone good or bad, it just happened to be bad. I think Brad deserved it and Carl should be docked some points. If NASCAR parks him they'll basically be contradicting what they said in the start of the season.

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Carl was running a clean race, and the only person who could get under his skin could and did. He got what he deserved when got pushed out of the way. The rest was just icing on the cake...and Brads dad can lick the icing.

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I hope the icing is laced with dodo when he does:23: CARL 4 the WIN!!!!

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Some interesting thoughts on Carl Edwards

Even driver Denny Hamlin called the move "dirty" on his Twitter account.

"I probably wouldn't have reacted as kindly as Brad did, I probably would have walked down there and punched him in the mouth,'' NASCAR's Sprint Cup Series points leader Kevin Harvick told SPEED TV this week.

Harvick is the last driver to actually be suspended (one Cup race in April, 2002) because of bad behavior and his rough driving six years ago pales in comparison to Edwards' recent repertoire.

"I just thank God no one has gotten hurt, that's not what NASCAR had in mind,'' Daytona 500 and Indy 500 winning team owner Chip Ganassi said Monday of NASCAR's relaxed policing policy.

"My initial response is I'm glad those guys don't drive for me right now or I'd have a lot stronger response.

"Someone has to be the referee of this. ... I think each guy should be allowed one move, but I don't think you should be allowed to use a car as a weapon.''

"I've been accused of being a racing purist, but I'd like to see more good driving, driving your car with respect not crash a guy to win,'' Ganassi said.'

"The greatest drivers in the sport were always known more for their great driving than for how many guys they took out.''

“I like to race as rough as anybody,” Harvick said, “but there’s still a line when somebody has to rein somebody in and unfortunately, you hope that it doesn’t get to the point where you wind up hurting somebody or you end up killing somebody. Hopefully it doesn’t take that long for NASCAR’s reaction to come, to just get everything under control.

“There has to be a boundary drawn at some point before everything gets to that point.”



Many of the Cup drivers are ready for NASCAR to end this fight. They don't want to be wrecked in someone else's feud. I personally think Carl is unstable and should be parked for a few races.

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Carl IS unstable. My gf and I have been saying that for a looooong time now. He's ****ing crazy and he's gonna hurt someone.

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There have been others over the years. I hope he changes and all is well again.

His habit of turning people is very dangerous. You don't have to do that to race extremely hard. Even at a place as tough to drive as Darlington. See the clip below:

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Instead of a controversy Carl could have had a great finish. Like any of these:


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NASCAR has taken a (surpising) hands off attitude about all of this, in not announcing any penalties, probations or anything. There's been a lot of discussion about it, and they probably better off keeping a safe distance until they can come up with a solid explanation as to their policies on 'have at it, boys'. Letting up on the reigns is one thing, letting total chaos rule the day is completely different. One thing that has been mentioned over and over is that Brads dad needs to stay off TV.
Next weekend in Indy should be interesting as both are running the N'Wide and Cup races...to be continued...

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I'm not a big NASCAR follower or fan anymore, but this rivalry thats brewing has renewed my interest. Granted wrecking people at nearly 200mph isn't a safe move, but it makes for good TV.

Now as I said I don't follow NASCAR closely, but as far as I can tell Edwards is only retaliating, not initiating these events. Edwards wrecked that guy as payback for when Edwards got sent in the air at Talladega if I'm not mistaken, right? And this newest event, Edwards wrecked Brad because he hit Edwards and almost "took the win away"?

Do I have this right?

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An addition to G's post. Brad needs to race more clean and Carl needs to remember races like this and look at the big picture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIH837xWlcA

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that's my gf's dad's favorite moment in NASCAR. He's a big Pontiac guy.

Amazing finish. That's how's it's done.

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man.....back when nascar was exciting..now its boring and as long as people get upset with **** like what carl did its gonna continue to get more boring. i dont even watch as much as i used to....i used to call in sick if i was gonna miss a race..now half the time i dont even know its on tv.

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Carl needs to wise up and get over Tally. That was a product of restrictor plate racing and the yellow line rule. What Brad did in turn two was no different than what Dale Sr. Rusty Wallace, and Jeff Gordon have made a living doing the "bump and run". If Cale had done the same to Brad with the same results that just good hard racing. Dumping a car coming to the line is just a low class move.

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Ditto. It was like a religion to me and now I barely pay attention to it. Stupid COT ruined everything. And the idiot that repaved Bristol should be shot! :anger:

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No doubt. They destroyed Bristol. That track sucks now. I know attendance is down, but that track only filled 100,000 of 160,000 seats at the last race. That's unreal.

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It'll be even more interesting to how bad they screw up Daytona with it's next repaving. So far every track that's gotten a make over has been soundly blasted by fans and drivers alike.

Looks like NASCAR finally found its voice in penalizing Carl 60 points and putting the two of them (no dad?) on probation.

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Kewelowski on probation? for what? A tiny bump in turn 2? Lol. Oookkk :OOPS:

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He started it, actually he started it when he put Carl into the catch fence at Talladega last year, so he shouldn't walk away without some kind of reprimand.

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That was then

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Yep, I agree. I can post the vids again if anyone missed them. Carl threw a block on Brad at Talladega and he held his line. It was the last lap and holding your ground seems reasonable to me. No fines from that encounter that I recall???

Next, to get even Carl purposely spins Brad while not racing with him at Atlanta. He was a bazillion laps down and wrecked a car running on the lead lap. He did it in a very dangerous place and was obvious about it. NASCAR failed to issue adequate punishment and now we have the current issue.

If he wanted to race against him side-by-side like Kurt and Ricky at Darlington he could have been a hero if he won or looked up to as a clean driver like Burton or Martin. He hooked him on purpose in front of the whole field coming to the checkered flag. Unlike most other drivers who use some restraint he impulsively wrecks a competitor. He is unstable and needs some education. Sadly he's not likely to get it from NASCAR, they love the fact that people are talking about this and will tune in to see the "next time".

Just like Cole Trickle in that movie, Carl is having sponsor trouble. Jack would have been better off to keep McMurray and let Carl go. He won't keep him long at his current level of performance.

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Oh, here's an article on a few of Carl's career "moments'.

The video where Jr wrecks him says a lot. Carl seems to think it's wrong to have someone wreck HIM to win a race????? He pulls a "Daze of Thunder" move that could have ended Jr's career. What an Azzclown. :smack:

I don't agree with NASCAR pulling points from the team for a "driver" incident. They seem to love screwing Jack over. :confused:


http://motorsports.fanhouse.com/2010...rds-dark-side/

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what cracks me up is the fact that earnhardt sr. did the same things for his whole career. but he was a hero and the greatest driver that ever raced nascar. its not that he was so fast or so good as much as the other drivers were scared of him...they knew if he was behind them they would get punted out of the way. now you can call it "rattling a cage" or being a maniac....either way it aint right. but why is it that sr. is a super hero for his dirty racing and edwards is an *******?

and as far as the comment about mcmurray...are you serious? what had mcmurray done for roush prior to his departure???? nothing...edwards and kenseth were running the show for a good while there. i dont blame jack at all for tossing mcmurray and keeping matt and carl. even though both of them are not doing so well this year they are still doing better than mcmurray was doing.

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Jamie mac already won the biggest race of this season. I'd hardly call what Carl and kenseth have done "impressive" compared to mcmurray this year..

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yea he lucked up and edged out jr for a win....congrats to him...what has he done since??? nada! hell lets look at his whole career...he won at homestead in 03', pepsi 400 in 07', amp energy 500 in 09', and the 500 in 10'.....4 wins since 03'! edwards has 16 career wins since 05', kenseth has 18 career wins since 03'...kenseth is 8th in points edwards is 10th...j-mac is 18th! i never said edwards and kenseth were kicking *** this year....but for ****s sake they are crushing j-mac in all aspects.

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Dale's driving style was aggressive but not considered dirty. If you want to look for the main difference between Sr and Carl it would be outcome. Sr was known for moving drivers out of the way if you were in the way. At the end of the race everyone was in his way. :23: Having seen him drive at most of the Cup tracks and MANY short tracks in Busch/LMS cars I can tell you he was very fast and skillful. Keep in mind I was a Neil Bonnett fan and feel he was a slightly better driver.

I'm not suggesting Carl can't drive. He is not a good role model at the moment but might be able to get on the right track. His recent behavior is beyond any possible defense and NASCAR seems to agree. I say next time park him. :smokin:

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i can definately agree with you there...he was more skilled at dumping people and could pull it off better no doubt. and i was not suggesting that you thought carl cant drive that was a general statement. im not saying carl was 100% justified in any of the recent events but in all honesty he did the same thing sr and many others have done before...the only thing he is guilty of is not being so smooth about it.

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No penalty for the same thing Brad did went to Kurt or Jimmie at New Hampshire. It may have been in order for JJ since he said he intended to wreck Kurt. :23:

Pretty much intentionally wrecking somebody is wrong regardless of reason. It don't matter who does it. I've been tempted in Karts or Legends but never have done it. I've be pushed around some and have done more than my share of pushing back but have never intentionally wrecked anyone. :mean!:

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The 26 team at Roush is a testing team. They are to try stuff when the "top teams" can't afford to. That's why Johnny Benson left years ago. So compairing stats is a little unfair.

The whole deal with tally was caused by the yellow line rule. Carl wanted back down and brad couldn't go below the line and all hell broke loose. Same thing at Daytone between the !4 and the 18 last year. If it was up to me I bulldoze both those tracks and replace them with short tracks like bristol.

However the real loosers in all this are all the other teams that got caught up in the aftermath. Racing is expensive enough and nothing worse for true Busch err Nationwide teams is to get the stuff wrecked by to cup "stars" playing tit for tat.

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i wasnt comparing stats of jmac in the 26 to matt and carl...i was comparing careers of all three. anyway you slice the cake jmacs piece is smaller. its fact..i cant make this stuff up.

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Carl didn't spinn brad at Atlanta because of the 'dega incident. He spun him because of an earlier incident in that race which was the reason he was a bazillion laps down.

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How 'bout the nationwide race!


#18 FTW (again) :gears:

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I agree but that incident on lap 41 was also Carl's fault. Brad was as low as he could get and Carl comes down on him. Go to 2:55 in the vid below, it's clear as day. Brad has not made many friends with his style of driving but he seems to have problems with the same few drivers. Hamlin, Edwards, and bigEars all have issues with him. :worship:

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blame carl all you want..its the same manuever that many of have done in the past. start watching at 3:22.....all the flaps came up the rear wing caused it all. place all the same variables in that wreck but change the wing to a spoiler and you dont have any airborn cars....nascar knows it and thats why they run the spoiler now. that wing creates lift when the car is turned around..simple as that. i dont see what the problem is here. carl did what tons of drivers have done but because nascar allowed a shitty design on the car carl has to take the blame and be a jerk? its racing...its tit for tat. let them race. they did the same **** all through the 60's, 70's, and 80's and it was never an issue...why is it now? sould he have spun him? hell no....he shouldnt have....but if the car had just spun around and hit a wall would it be drawing as much criticism? hell no....the only reason is because of that wing.

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Carl knew the car had a wing didn't he? I'm sure it's all over. Brad has promised no payback and Carl is done at Roush next time. He didn't even wreck bigears this evening. :23:

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carl's just lucky he had 4 fresh ones and bigears had 1,000-lap-old tires on, otherwise there wouldnt have been any resemblence of a race :33:

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You know, I'm sitting here reading all these post complaining about Carl spinnind Brad out and NASCAR not policing like they did a year ago but you know what, that is how NASCAR used to be. What do you think Dale Sr. was known for. That is why he was called the intiminator. The last few years, everyone was complaining that NASCAR was too strict and they weren't letting the drivers express themselves. Now they let them and people are complaining about it. NASCAR just can't win.

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yea he knew it had a wing...so he obviously was just trying to kill the boy:12:

i guess carl can placed in the books next to the old tony stewart, kyle busch, and dale sr. this can only mean one of 2 things for us 99 fans...he will either fizzle away and never do anything again, or he will die suddenly and become a hero. i guess its up to nascar to script it now right? haha:23:

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And Kyle manages to bonehead his first lap tonight and screw up a few other peoples day...Should make for an interesting 399 more miles...

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I like the race car hauler commercial. :31: