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You can guarantee if the table's were turned that Busch would have had no problem doing the same thimg, and then praising himself for winning.

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I agree with that one! Tony was appologizing in Victory Lane and really showed remorse over what happened, even though he realyl wasn't at fault IMHO. But if Shrub had done it to him? Totally different story. The officials had to keep KB from going on to VL for a confrontation that would have probably shown that Tony hold his own...maybe they sould have let him go!

:borg:

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Tony was right for being remorseful. He hit the back of Kyle's car thus lifting the rear of the car causing Kyle to have to turn left to keep from wrecking. Granted he had no control of Kyle turning right but if he hadn't hit Kyle in the first place Kyle wouldn't have had to turn right.

I just wonder if Tony would have been leading with Kyle in second and the same thing happened if you guys would be saying Kyle was not at fault. The days of working to pass someone cleanly are gone. We've returned to the push them out of the way mentality.

I'm am not a fan of Kyle or Toyota but the aftermath included the driver I like, so instead of spending money on research they have to rebuild a car.
It's a real shame there aren't more drivers like Mark Martin that will wreck themselves before taking a chance that would wreck another car. Winning should not be put over the safety of others. If Tony hadn't bumped Kyle just before the incident I would agree that Tony shouldn't have been remorseful and it would have been all Kyle's fault but it didn't happen that way.

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No, I watched all the replays that night including the in car from Kyle's car, which is included in the link you posted. I just choose not to be bias. I also saw Tony blocking both Hamlin and Johnson then trying to take the air off of Kyle's car going through the corner. Until recently neither of these tactics were considered clean racing.

Let me be a little clearer for you. I can not stand Kyle or Toyota. I just commented that Tony was right to be remorseful for what happened because he helped cause it.

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It's not blocking anymore when the other guy is beside you instead of behind you. I would have done the same thing and not had any remorse.

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Agree totally. Stewart would have taken a 2nd if the rolls were reversed. Just look at his performance this year --- very adult. It's like he's the team owner or something. I'm no Stewart fan but if he takes the championship this year I will be happy for him. :smokin:

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So Tony's at fault because Kyle drove into his(Tony's) fender and basically got PIT'd trying to block Tony from passing him? At 180 something I'm sure Tony could have just hit the brakes and it all would have been avoided.
ITS F'ING RACING AND YES SHRUB WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING! DO YOU NOT WATCH ANY RACES?

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God forbid what if Kyle was killed or seriouly injured. This type of racing no matter who does it is way too agressive. It's only a matter of time until something really bad happens.

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Its the drivers choice to take their lives into their hands and attempt to block someone at those speeds. It was racing and thats the bottom line. Racing sure was good back in the day before all you "he could have gotten hurt" whiners came along......gesh. They all know the risk.

I'm glad he was not killed, do you feel better now?

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The new car has made NASCAR utterly boring. But boy they can take one hell of a hit! Can't stand the Shrub and I thought it was awesome that he was whacked, but it's a true testament to the car that the only thing injured on him was his pride.

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Actually, no I don't watch that many races anymore because I don't like the current style of driving, the boring racing thanks to the COT or all the new rules. IT SUCKS, Nascar could go away tomorrow and I wouldn't miss it. A few years ago I wouldn't miss a lap, now I have better things to do with my time.

Where did I say it was Tony's fault for Kyle turning right. Tony had a hand in what happened because he hit the back of Kyles car causing the rearend to shift to the right which made Kyle go left at which point Kyle turned back right. I said Kyle may not have had to turn right if Tony wouldn't have hit him.

I still have yet to hear anyone say it would have just been racing if the roles were reversed. Al I heard was that Kyle would have done the same thing.

Tony showed he is a true driver by apologizing for his part of what happened which to me was the right thing to do.

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Do you actually think Kyle would have apologized if the roles were reversed? :12:

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I do not either and thats why I do not feel bad for him. I feel bad for his team, but not the kid.

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Fixed! :23: :smack:

:borg:

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Since when do we base what is right on what some ***hole would do?

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Were you on the Debating team in high school or something? It does'nt get any clearer than what's been explained already. You're just playing dumbazz word games.

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How can you blame Tony for this. He hit the back of Kyles car because Kyle tried blocking him and wasn't quite clear of the front of Tony's car. So actually, Kyle hit the front of Stewarts car. It's one of those racing deals. And yes, if the roles were reversed, I would be saying it was Tony's fault. Tony had a run on the outside and Kyle didn't move up fast enough to block him. Plain and simple. As for bumping people, that's been the norm in NASCAR for quite some time now. There's bumping going on through out the whole race, why should the last lap be any different. Drivers expect it to happen. Especialy at Daytona and Talledega.

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I wasn't talking about when Kyle turned right. I was referring to when Tony hit the back of Kyle's car just before Tony went to pass Kyle on the right.

I realize bumping has been part of racing for awhile now, that doesn't mean I have to like it. If you have to take the air off of someone's car or bump them to pass then your car isn't that much better than theirs. Either pass them cleanly or stay behind them. Having to repair a car because someone couldn't pass you cleanly sucks. That's time and money that could be better spent. I'm referring to personal experience, not this event.

Another thing I realize is that this conversation is about as relevant as the event that started. You're not going to change my point of view and I have no desire to change yours. I still feel Tony did the right thing in Victory Lane.

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I don't care for either of these drivers, so I don't feel that I'm being biased in what I saw and what almost all of the commentators and media saw; Kyle Busch blocked Stewart at 200 miles an hour with Stewart next to him. I really have no idea where Stewart could have put that car once Kyle made that move. The bottom line is week in and week out without fail Kyle Busch is always and I say always in some kind of controversy because of aggressive driving on the track.

I'm glad that Busch was not injured, I don't wish injury on any driver on that track; I'm equally glad that Kyles aggressive driving didn't kill Kasey Kahne or any other driver as well.

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I am surprised this thread isn't blowing up again after last night's press conference. Did anyone else think he was acting like a petulant sniveling little punk or was it just me?

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I missed it. :anger:

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oh yea he hasn't lean let.

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Here ya go:

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar...ory?id=4317202

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Thank you!! :worship:

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The luckiest man in NASCAR --- Jack Roush. :worship:

He almost had Kurt AND Kyle working for him. :23:


Recently Kurt has been pretty mature and well behaved. :)

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My imitation of Busch-------------:eyes: Then don't block next time douchebag.

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Sadly we saw a 1-2-3-4 Toyota finish in the N'Wide race last night in Chicago. Logano beat Busch on 4 worn tires, and I mean ran off form him. Besides that, I think we can see the writing on the wall.

:borg:

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That was until tonight in Chicago; His retaliation on Johnson after JJ getting lose a bit on him and then his Busch league(pun intended) comments after the race, were typical of the Busch family.

Nice to see that Kyle Busch did so well this evening:yeh: And in typical Kyle style not a word after a race he don't win.:eyes:

A huge congrat's to Mark Martin and Jeff Gordon with their one-two finish and earning a fan one million dollars.

Next up is Indy,where I'll be watching that one in person. It's not the greatest track to watch a race, but there's just something about being at the Brickyard.

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I'm not a JJ hater but he was wrong for being OUT of control and running Kurt all the way into the wall. JJ then didn't man up!! He blamed it on Jeffy being inside him and getting him loose, that was BS the 24 was WAY behind him when he slammed into Kurt. He was lucky Kurt didn't do him worse. I had no issues with Kurt's comments, especially considering the BS from JJ.

Pretty good race tonight. :smokin:

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Ill agree with the above posts, as I'm really happy to see Mark do well. But with more wins than anyone else this season, he's still mired 11th in points. Seeing the couple win the million bucks was very cool.
Kyle got what he deserved, and I hope for him to see continuing similar luck the rest of the season. JJ deserves a huge kick in the behind, or at least slap on the wrist for his 'bold' moves. But he ended up costing himself a victory ore than likely. Jack needs to look hard at the results and find out why his cars turned out such a poor performance, and it was sad to see Bill Elliott have a respectable night ruined by a runaway tire.

:borg:

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I agree, JJ was lose and initiated the contact;however, I don't think it was an intentional thing he did. Johnson was not the first or only car to get lose out there, it happens. Remember as well, Hamlin hit JJ a lap earlier; perhaps that car(#48) was more lose after this. Busch chose to intentially retailiate and for that Nascar needs to access a penalty to him or any driver that decides to intentially ram their car into another.

Also, if you watched that race, Kurt Busch came down on JJ earlier; these two were racing each other for quit some time. As for JJ's not maning up, you may have a point there, but then I'm not sure he could have known what happen in that split moment. I agree though, Gordon had no effect on JJ's car. But Kurt Busch almost had an effect on the #24 and the #83 car in addition to his and Johnsons.

Kurt chose to attack the character and ability of the reigning 3 time champion who is currently third in points in his interview; Jimmy chose to not attack Kurt's ability and character by simply stating he chose to "body slam" me. Either way JJ's was the result of racing, and Kurt's was the result of stupidity; Kurt Busch needs to be penalized in some capacity for what he did. Kurt just took the last 3 years of his career and restoring a ruined reputation and just flushed it all away IMHO.

http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/head...rash.opinions/

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What a whiney little baby. yeah, Stewart might have bumped into him but when Stewart was next to him, I never saw Stewart turn to the left and hit him, I saw Bush turn to the right and hit Stewart when HE tried to block Stewart.. How can that be classified as Stewart "dumping" Kyle. He should put his tail between his legs and walk away.

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Or maybe NOT!

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar...ory?id=4330367

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Boy this is a daily double for me. I have no respect for Mayfield if this is true and whether the stepmother's story is true or not I think she is a waste. She is either looking to be in the spot light or settle a score. Why in the **** didn't she say anything sooner. If she saw him using meth before a race she should have said something then. He could have killed someone.

If he was using meth for as long as she says he is hiding it quite well. I've been around some meth users and you can usually tell rather quickly. They are normally really thin, can't stand still, ramble a lot, and age very fast.

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I have to agree, if Mayfield is a meth junkie he is doing a heck of a job hiding it. Either way, guilty or not guilty, his career is done.

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Tim Richmond anyone?

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:) Tim was better ON THE TRACK and probably worse off the track. I got to see a LMS race in VA with Tim and Dale Sr taking the wheel of some local cars. What a show!!! :worship:

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I watch these vids about once a month. :23:

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i like seeing fights, it shows passion:claus:

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everybody talkin smack about poor kyle bush.

you all realize that once the chase starts, kyle will be in the top of the points standings right? only number of wins count when that starts.

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That did'nt mean squat last year when he won all those races. He self destructed.

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I was thinking the same thing. Wins just get you bonus points and I can't think of anyone else that has half the field wanting some payback. It seems like Tony is having a good year but I'm really pulling for MM. :worship:

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"State of Alabama vs. Jeff Gordon" :23:

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I'm waiting for the Carl Edwards vs Dale Jr deal to start up again. That was some funny stuff. :)

This ain't really JG country. :23:

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great race today to bad Carl didn't win

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I was at work, and the wife didnt record it for me!!! =(

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New Mustang will help Nascar and say goodbye to the Toy's in Nationalwide .