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Actually, I thought Jimmy Johnson's adjustable rear window was.

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It was, but you dont think ylo's gonna fess up to that one?
:23:

And congrats to 'backflip' Edwards on starting first in tonights race (too bad about last nights race, though)!!

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I believe Carl Edwards was a worst case of cheating as it directly effected a race.

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Not even close and there is no proof it changed the outcome of that race.

These guys are the big cheaters and 2 WORK FOR NASCAR checking for cheaters. :23:

TOP FIVE CHEATERS
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/stor...NASCAR-history

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I avoided the results of the truck race until last night when I caught the first half of the thing on Speed. I didn't like the ending when I checked out the vids this morning.

I missed the NW race and checked the vids for it too, that ending was ok for me.

I noticed the hit list for that rookie truck racer "Jim Johnson" had #51 on it like 5 times. So finally JJ does something I like. :23:

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I forgot all about that one. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. LOL

Fess up, never. :23:

And cheating about HP in a motor don't effect a race. That may help explain why after every restart Busch ends up pulling several car lengths ahead of the second place car in the straight aways. That is HP not talent.


I guess Nascar don't share your opinion. These penalties show just how severe they felt the cheating at JGR exactly was.

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Was that actually Gibbs voice coming out of beerformeplz's helmet avatar?

Edwards/Roush didn't blatently try to circumvent rules to win a race, Gibbs Racing tried out and out to set themselves up to have an advantage in future races by falsifying the information NASCAR was trying to obtain to level out the playing field. Sould like big-time cheating to me.

:borg:

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:butt: lol

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I thought it was pretty funny as well!

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When they widened the track 3 feet last year they really ruined the tradition of nail biting racing at Bristol. ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................

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They like me! They really like me!!!

(Or not......)

:borg:

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Makes sense to me. Who would know better what to look for.

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Way to go Carl :23: :worship: :worship: :worship:

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Big ears needs to try to hit Carl --- OUTSIDE THE CAR!!!

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"MICHAEL WALTRIP IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST DRIVER IN NASCAR!" :31: :31: :31: I thought that was funny as hell when that spotter or criew chief said that. But it's the truth. Even though he did'nt cause that accident. The race was still good. A truly classy answer by Carl about the tap and run he gave Bush. It would be gret to see Carl win it all.

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Carl is my hero!!! I too like the way he answered about the bump and run. LOL

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I know I hope Carl run over Bush next week,

plus Steelers won tonight to.

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Looks like Dumbo got owned by Mr. Ed. :eyes:
Kyle showed what a 'class' act he really is. And if anyone thinks otherwise, he's the one that called called down by NASCAR, not Carl.
It's on, and I think Carl should be given plenty of credit for kepping it close and his crew chief applauded for getting the car where it shold be for the last segment of the race.
Gibbs Racing need to be ashamed for not only being cheaters, but bad losers. They don't deserve a championship. They may back into one, but it isn't a deserved one.
And congrats to JJ for such a great race (sorry, Ylo...had to do it , just for you! ), even though JG managed to have a respectable race, he didn't really seemed thrilled by it...odd.
The comment about Waltrip was the absolute highlight of the night, though!

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I love both of the comments that Edwards and "Buschleague" said after the race.

Here is what Edwards had to say. "It's one of those deals where I couldn't get by him, I couldn't get by him, and I just had to ask myself, 'Would he do that to me?' Obviously the answer was your darn right Dumbo would have done it.

And here is what Buschleague had to say. "He hit me getting into Turn 1," Busch said. "Whatever. Carl's going to say he's sorry, that he didn't want to race that way, but he always does. We'll take it, we'll go on and we'll race him that way in the Chase if that's the way he wants to race."

I'm sorry here, but there is an old saying that all of us know very well, What goes around comes around. Well Kyle, these guys out there know you, how classless you are, and what you would do to them. Why do they know this. Because you have repeatedly knocked cars off the track in your career. If you treat a driver with respect most will return the favor. Drive like it's a Saturday night demolition derby at the county fair and that is what the other drivers are going to do to you when they have the chance.

Also Kyle Buschleague, great show of class once again. Your ramming Edwards after the race is very typical of your classlessness. So was your post race comments. There is a difference between racing with attitude and being classless, you are the later. What a waste of great talent with your immaturity and classlessness.

Despite what most of you may think, I do like team Roush. Biffle and Edwards are my two favorite from that camp. If it's not going to be JJ or JG at the finish first It suits me fine to see those two get there first.

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I hope ASSCAR fines Dumbo and takes away 200 points,
puts him on probation, and spanks him with a wet noodle.
Or maybe throws wet rice at him I suppose.

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I have a feeling Dumbo would like the wet noodle spanking.

And somehow I'm sure a few JJ & JG jokes will come from this as well. :23:

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You guys are a treat. If it happened the other way around You'd be cursing Dumbo for the bump and run while applauding Carl for the 1st round of post race bumping and then cursing Dumbo for the second round of post race bumping. Keep them coming I can use the laughs.

I actually did watch the end of the race and enjoyed the fact that a Toyota didn't win.

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You Da Man Carl.....That was awesome....and if a Mr. Ed comment refers to the way Carl Edwards look then maybe Busch should take a good long look in the mirror and realize that good looking girlfriend of his more than likely is with him for his money.:23: Suck it up Dumbo you got beat!

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I like that fact that Carl stated that the fans wanted a rivalry and now they're going to get it.

Now it's Dumbo VS Mr. Ed...

And for the rest of the season, that's the way it'll be for me!

Can't wait for someone with some real photoshopping skills to run with that one...

:borg:

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I don't like to see anyone get bumped out of the way to win. However, like I said, what goes around comes around. Kyle is one of the worst out there on the track. Michale Waltrip takes cars out on a weekly bases because he can't drive the thing.:23: Kyle has the talent and chooses to do it because it's his style. You knock guys around and they will do it to you.

You often hear other drivers say I could have knocked him out of the way but he hasn't raced that way with me so I didn't with him. However, I don't think Buschleague is going to get that respect. He has many times after a race said he was in my way so I pushed him out of the way. I can't think of anyone other than the other idiots in the JGR team that would have not knocked him out of the way.

And if Carl Edwards would have bumped anyone but Kyle Busch out of the way intentially I would have had a problem with it. I don't think for a minute if it were Ryan Newman, Mark Martin, Dale JR., or others in front he would have done it. Like he said(and I believe him) would he do it to me. If the answer was no I think he wouldn't have. Sorry Kyle, you've made your bed being the AZZHOLE of Nascar and now you are going to have to live with it.

As for bumping a car after the race, I don't care if it's Carl Edwards, Kyle Busch, or the best driver in Nascar, Jeff Gordon I think it's classless and no room for it. Kyle should be hit hard with fines and penalties and any other driver that does that. :anger:

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I agree but that would mean Carl deserves it too.

As I said in one of these threads, Dumbo shares Dale Sr's thoughts on passing. If you can't pass them clean then push them out of the way. And now that Carl has made it clear he is willing to do it to win he and his fans have no room to complain the next time it happens to him. That is one reason I always liked Mark Martin, he would wreck himself instead of taking another car out no matter who it was. That is a real class act.

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:smack:
Ofcourse Einstien, were FORD guys and Carl is a classy guy. Cannot say the same for ole asshat Kyle.

I have not watched in a while, but Carl does not "bump & run" often. Seeing him do it to a regular "bump & run" guy is what makes it great.
Now if Carl drove like "Dumbo" in every race I would not care much for him either.

Kyle sucks, bottom line!

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I didn't care much for Dale Sr either. I'm not into the bumper car mentality. As for this episode between Edwards and Dumbo. Most fail to forget that earlier in the year Dumbo took Edwards out in a Nationwide race and then afterword's said "sorry but that is racing".

Again another saying that most of us have heard. "Payback is a beatch". They are only playing by Kyle's rules. Again, if that were Mark Martin, Jr, or others Carl would not have done it.

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I was right there with ya until you said that best driver in nascar bit about Jeff Gordon ... give me a break....Gordon (former nascar poster child) has seen his better days go by. Nascar wanted a new face so they chose Kyle Busch....that's the way it's always been in Nascar....I never cared for the guy...but Dale Sr. would drive circles around Jeff Gordon any day. And there are alot more who could do the same.

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Hate Gordon you may but the facts speak for themselves. He may not be having the best season right now but he is the best Driver in Nascar over the past 10 years and one of the best in history. That is a fact whether you like him or not. And you also say that Sr. would drive circles around Jeff Gordon any day. Well lets look at the facts.

First off I will admit that I was not a big Dale Sr. fan. However, I will not allow dislike or indiffernce toward a driver blind my opinion of them. Just like Kyle Busch. I hate this guy but he could possible be the most talented guy on the track right now and possible can someday rank amoung the greatest with guys like Petty, Earnhardt, Waltrip(not Mikey) and yes Gordon.

Ok, back to the facts.

Dale Sr. won 76 races had 428 top 10's and 22 poles in his career. He also won the cup series 80,86,87,90,91,93, and 94. That is an impressive 7 times.

Jeff Gordon has won 81 races, has 328 top 10's, and 65 poles.(ok you sickies out there LOL) He won the cup in 95,97,98, and 2001. That is also a very impressive 4 times. IN addition if the point system was the same as when Sr. was racing and before this Bullsh** playoff that they have Gordon would have won it an additional 2 years including last year. I will admit he was at his best in the 90's but he is far from washed up especially after last year.

Now let's look at side by side. You say that Sr. would run circles around Gordon any day. Well he did have his chance and he did not. lets look at the years they raced against each other.

93 Gordon 0 wins Earnhardt 6
94 Gordon 2 wins Earnhardt 4
95 Gordon 7 wins Earnhardt 5
96 Gordon 10 Earnhardt 2
97 Gordon 10 Earnhardt 0
98 Gordon 13 Earnhardt 1
99 Gordon 7 Earnhardt 3
00 Gordon 3 Earnhardt 2

Total Gordon 52 Earnhardt 23

Winston cups Gordon 3 Earnhardt 2

That there are the facts. Both are among the greatest in history. One was liked because he was a good ole boy with Nascar roots from the deep south and a good driver. The other while liked by many was also jeered by many because he was not a good ole boy. He preferred Chardonay instead of Budweiser. He wore Dockers instead of Wranglers. He opened the sport to others that are not from the south. And let's not forget that he came in during the reign of Dale Sr. and took many wins and perhaps a few titles away. IF there were no Dale Sr. I don't think most would dislike him today.

Now you have the rest of the story. :3amin:

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I like your sig but Gordon??? :23:


I was hoping him and Tony would hook up agian late in the race. "I didnt do nothing to him",lol.

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I was almost wanting to see Kyle catch up to Edwards. Now that would have been an interesting final few laps.

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AMEN!!:worship:

In the good ole days, that love tap wouldn't have made the hightlight films. Give me a break, to complain about that tap at Bristol is like complaining that the beer wasn't cold enough. Hey Busch, catch him and tap him back if it upsets you so much. Ask the Jeff Gordon and Rusty Wallace if that is what racing at Bristol is like. Heck, I think I saw Gordon bump Rusty to win the race on the last lap like four times!!

Like T-Bolt said, they screwed up the track with the reconfig last year. Now the most exciting race in NASCAR (and that doesn't take much) is a snoozer compaired to the way it used to be.

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I remember that.
Back then, Punk Gordon kept bumping Rusty,
and you just don't do that.
I remember clapping hard and loud when the payback occurred.
Also I recall Little Jeffy walking back to the garage
with a spoiled child look on his face.

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The bump and run is part of racing at Bristol. Dumbo shouldn't complain about Carl doing it cause Kyle has done it plenty of times before. Carl doesn't normally race like that but like he said in his interview, he was asking himself if Kyle would do it to him and he said that yes because Kyle has done it to him before. Just as he has done to plenty of other drivers. Would I be complaining about Kyle if he would have given Carl the bump and run, HECK NO cause it's part of racing. As long as you don't wreck the guy doing it.

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I always considered the "bump and run" to be front fender to rear quarter, not bumper to bumper. Carl hit him square in the rear--The Shrub (or Dale Sr. for that matter) would have hit Carl in the rear quarter and spun him out. What Carl did was nothing more than a NUDGE! And it's not like the Shrub didn't have 40 laps to try to catch him! Sore loser, plain and simple.

BTW, I'm loving the "Flipper and Shrub" show! Nice to see a little personality back in the sport...

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1) The Shrub did wail him back pretty much right away except it didn't work out lol.

2) I do agree the reconfiguration of the track makes for boring racing but the real problem with Bristol stems from the introduction of the Chase back in 2004. I was there for the final Winston Cup race in 2003 and it was incredible. The next year so many people were trying not to lose points for fear of not making the Chase it was a snooze fest and has been ever since. I think Richmond is now better than Bristol because half of the Chase field is locked in and actually driving for a win and the other half is desperate to make the Chase so they're willing to take risks.

3) The COT sucks, plain and simple. There is very little excitement and I for one DVR the races so I can skim through the 90% that's boring as hell.

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I definitely agree. I really liked Richmond even before they changed Bristol. I've been to Martinsville, and definitely I would love for my next short track to be Richmond. If I still lived in the midwest it would definitely be a possiblity, but being way out here their's slim to no chance of that. The people I go with on my Nascar trips now mainly go to Daytona, Talladega, and Kansas. I'm penciled in to go to Talladega next spring. Saw Earnhardt Sr. win his last race ever in 2000 there, just months before his death.

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For those who think Jeffy is a great driver:
In the Jack Roush interview after the race,
he stated (again) that some drivers cannot adapt
or do not have the ABILITY to adapt to the COT.
He was talking about Jeffy.
Notice that JJ does, and so does Jr.?

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Naw...it's the Mr. Ed VS Dumbo championship knock down, drag out!

:borg:

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It's absolutely ridiculous(sp) to even think that someone who has the number of wins that Gordon has to not be a great driver. A lousy driver may get lucky and win a few in their career. Michael Waltrip is one that comes to mind. However, you don't win 81 races in a career and rank amoung the tops and not be a great driver. Sorry, I don't like Tony Stewart and I can admit he's a good driver. I was not crazy about Dale Sr. but he was a great driver. I can admit greatness in individuals and teams that I don't like. Another example would be the Steelers. I hate that freaking team but I can't deny that is a great franchise. To say anything less of them or even Dale Sr. would show that I really am blinded with reality. (or Gordon in your case).

Again, let's look at the facts. While Jeff Gordon is winless this year that hadly means that he's not a great driver. let's look at some numbers of those in the chase.

Edwards(Impressive) Roush boy and having a great year.
wins 6 top 5's 11 top 10's 18

Biffle
wins 0 top 5's 7 top 10's 10

Kenseth
wins 0 top 5's 5 top 10's 14

Stewart
wins 0 top 5's 8 top 10's 12

Gordon
wins 0 top 5's 9 top 10's 11

Seems to me that there are two very good drivers in the Roush camp with no wins and two excellent drivers in Stewart and Gordon with no wins as well. Either way they are all still in the top 10 and should finish in the cup race in the next few weeks.

I don't think for a minute Jack Roush who is an intelligent man would even think for a second that Gordon does not have the ability. I think it's more like some looking into a slice of molded bread and see the Virgin Mary. In other words they see or hear what they want to hear.

Now there are some such as Kasey Kahne, Ryan Newman, Kurt Busch, Elliott Sadler, and Jamie McMurray who are really strugling. Perhaps if Jack said this he could be talking more about these good to average drivers that just can't break into the top 12.

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The fact remains that Jeffy cannot get a handle on the COT.
JJ has gotten the handle on it.
Dale Jr. has.
Jeffy learned on the Aero cars and cannot seem to get a grip on the COT.
Many have not, and Jeffy is one of them.

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I'm not trying to argue. I'm just not seeing the thinking in this. If he were out of the top 10 I could see that. I agree this has not been a great year. However, talk to me in another year and I'll be willing to say that if it's a repeat of this year. I see a lot of very good drivers who just are not having good years this year. In the Roush team I see Biffle & Kenseth struggling. Gordon is only 33 points behind Biffle for 7th.

Is some of the problem the COT? absolutly. But with all these drivers in the top 10 without wins I"m not buying what you are saying. If fact with the top 12 drivers 3 of them have 16 wins and the remaining 9 have 6 total wins. That is Dumbo 8 wins, Edwards 6 wins, and Johnson 2 wins. There are 5 drivers in the top 12 with 0 wins. Let's save this post and take a look next year. :3amin:

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Yea Denny should have got out of the way and let Kyle run him down. I was hoping STewart would catch Gordon.
As for Richmond I will be there and hopefully Kyle will get Carl like he got JR at the last Richmond race.

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I can't believe it just hit me, but I've got the perfect penalty for Gibbs after their little 'oops' in the Nationwide series test. Instead of points being taken, and fines being levied and crew chiefs suspended, NASCAR should have simply let the Gibbs-Yotas run in the rest of season...just like they were set up for the test...with the pedal spacers in place! That should cost them money, points, and a chimp...er, championship.

:borg:

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:agree:
Perfect.

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That's a great idea. You should send that message to NASCAR!

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Any word on Shrub's penalty for the after race bash on Carl?

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Nothing posted as of yet, and they usually hand out such things on Tuesday...

:borg:

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200 points ought to do it.