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Jeffy's race was pretty good too. :claus:

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#48 got cornfused and thought he had won! :23:






Big Ron :smokin:

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I just noticed that Carl is second in points in both Cup and the Nationwide series. Would be cool if he took both. A bunch of people were talking about someone winning both series this year...just wasn't Carl. That would be awesome!

:borg:

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It surely would.
With JGR caught cheating, I am sure even their cup cars
will be highly scrutinized, and their little cheats will be gone.
Jack Roush was right about Toiletta...............

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Only if Roush converts to Toyotas! They're destined to win both series this year even if NASCAR has to make it happen. :anger:

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Wait until NASCAR hands down its largest ever fines and penalties this Tuesday for what JGR did in the testing of its Nationwide cars. They're going to be so far back in points, it'll take them until 2087 to get back in the top 10. And dont' think that their Cup teams arent' under the microscope after what's happened.

:borg:

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No doubt about it MIS is the house of Roush. It was good to see Carl Edwards hold off a cheating Toiletta driver from JGR. The only disappointing thing for me(great for most of you) was the results of the #24 & 48 car.

As for JGR, what a freaking disgrace. We all knew that the team of JGR was cheating and they finally got caught big time in Nationwide. I have no doubt that the same bull that was going on in Nationwide was going on in the cup series as well. Most teams have tried to push the gray area in set ups of the car. But JGR's cheating is as blatent as the other illustrious Toyletta team of Waltrip and what they did last year.


JGR made an appology about the incident. Yea their sorry alright, sorry they got caught. Now hopefully Nascar will wise up and tear those cars up from top to bottom in the Cup Series. No doubt this is going on in the Sprint Cup as well. Screw Toyota, screw Joe Gibbs, and screw Kyle Busch.

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Amen brother.
(Except I dont like GM teams)

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+1

:borg:

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The Toyotas make more horsepower plain and simple. Instead of crying like a little bitc* Roush should spend the money to get the power out of his motors. The funny tjhing is they still made more power than others AFTER Nascar made them change some things.
Now im not saying that what they did was right, it would have been awsome if they still made more powere after Nascar's changes the first time.


Flame suit on.

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The problem with NASCAR is its all corporate now so no real competition from just a group that wants to race. Now its all about big money and who can afford the technology. Seems drag racing is the only thing left open to the normal everyday people who would just like to race. Just my 2 cents on the subject!


LS:claus:

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I dont know about you but I cant afford a funny car team.

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The rule USED to be that the engine had to be a production based
pushrod motor.
Toiletta had no production based pushrod motors.
So ASSCAR changed (or bent) the rules to allow the un-Americans in.
So, the American companies were stuck with basically 1950's technology
as a jump off point.
Whereas Toiletta was able to start with a clean sheet of paper,
using all the R&D the American companies toiled over for the last 50 years.
That, in itself, is cheating.
This was allowed by Brian "The Pansy" France and his Toiletta built Lexus.
He decided that it was better to fill his wallet to let the un-Americans into the series.
Greedy traitorous idiots like Joe "The Fibbs" Gibbs decides he likes Japan
more than America and wants to put more American out of work!
This is after Benedict Michael "I want to look like Boris Said" Waltrip
and his big mouthed brother Larry,
or is it Darrel, or is it his other brother Darrel,
decide they TOO want to make a stand and put more American out of work.
After all, those Japanese girls sure are cute!
They get Mr. Clean (A polite way of saying he's freshly washed up)
Dale Jarrett to drive a Jap car.
Amazing.
A year ago, you had DJ defining the back of the field,
waving a Japanse flag saying "here I am."
Does anyone else find it interesting that Kyle "I am as big an azz as my bro"
Busch could not find victory lane in a Hendrick car,
but steps into a first year Jap car team and sets the world on fire?
Did anyone else even notice this besides me?
Kyle Busch is a POS, as are all the other un-American car drivers.
I do not care for Tony Stewart,
but even that idiot is getting out of the un-American cheating JGR car.
Joe Gibbs can go to H - e double hockey sticks.
Better yet.
Send him to Dearborn interviewing newly laid off American workers.

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Hows that Joe Gibb's fault?

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The bucks stops at his door.
He is promoting un-American products.
Treason.
Maybe he'll start hanging out wth Jane Fonda.
Words quoted directly from Joe "The Fibs" Gibbs":
Quote:
"If this alleged incident proves true,
it goes against everything we stand for as an organization," Joe Gibbs said.
ALLEGED?
:wtf:

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birdman941, as much as I'd like it to be that simple Gibbs has nothing to do with the current state of Dearborn. I actually find it funny that Rousch said that JGR has soiled the good name of Nascar by cheating. If it weren't for 25 points being deducted for cheating Mark Martin might have had a championship

The US car industry is paying for past mistakes. They offered lack luster, unreliable, over priced cars for years while raking in the cash. All three of them ended up turning to Japanese companies to buy engines to increase reliablity. Yes today's American cars are just as good as any in the world but the old saying in business is: If you do it right 99 out of 100 times the customer will only remember the one time you screwed up.

A Ford Focus no more American made than a Toyota Camry. The Japanese companies have been building assembly plants in the US (jobs) while the US companies have been moving to Canada and Mexico. The US car industry sold us out for profit and outsourced manufcturing jobs and now they are being outsourced. Yes it sucks, but it is business. You survive by building the better mouse trap at the best price.

I'd love to buy American, but it is almost impossible. I used to pay $5 more for an American made shirt just so I could sew the buttons back on after I washed it the first time. Now I buy the best product for the money. If you want my business make the best product because I will no longer pay more just because it is American made. I have to work for my money so if you want it, you have to earn it, no more free rides.

Do you know how few "American" companies are still American owned. I garauntee it is a lot fewer than you think. American business has sold us out and we will pay the price by losing our jobs while those responsible never have to work another day of their life. They are the ones who committed the act of Treason.

Sorry for the rant. You may now resume with the regularly scheduled bashing.

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Agree the focus isn't any more american made but in the end the dollars are here in an American company while Toyota ships the profits overseas 16B last year.

I'm sick of hearing people say that Toyota is American , I have to admit they did a good job with PR but in the end the wowrker at the Toyota plant would be working for Ford or GM is stupid Americans would satrt buying what we make and keeping the money here.

I agree our products aren't what they used to be but it's the fault of people like you who could care less where it comes from. America made the finest products in the world, people then decided price was more important and started buying oversea so American companies had to cut quality to compete with the China's of the world but we wouldn't do it at the cost of workers health unlike other contries so our manufacturing dropped out.

Just keep buying your so callled better products and when we have no jobs and no money to buy anything anyway then you have no one to blame but yourself.

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Joe Gibbs and the Waltrips are FURTHERING
the destruction of the US auto industry.
They are promoting un-American products.
And cheating while doing so.
That does have an effect on Dearborn.

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Have you guys ever heard of win on Sunday sell on Monday??? If you think Toyota winning doesn't cause a problem for American auto you are wrong. Did it cause them to get into the mess they are in now, no but it doesn't help either

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:23: Are you serious? Maybe 50 years ago that was true but far from it today. It seems nascar has gone to alot of Sat. night races also not Sunday.

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Or win on Sunday buy more Ford stock on Monday??? :23:

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So you think the auto makers spend millions in racing because they have nothing better to do with their money?? No they spend it because of a thing called brand loyalty belive it or not a large percentage of nascar fans buy what their favorite drives.

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Yes, I'm quite familiar with the saying. Problem with that saying is most people are smart enough to realize that todays race car is no where close to what is on the showroom floor unlike the good old days when it was a re-worked production car.

I also believe you seriously misread my buying American comment. It was the just buy American mentallity that helped get the US car industry in trouble in the first place. They knew we would buy the car no matter what they offered just because it was American. Doesn't quite seem fair to us does it. I do my best to support American companies right down the gas I buy, but only if they do their part and offer a comparable product at a comparable price.

For the record all my cars are either Ford or Dodge and have been for years with the exception a free Corolla and a POS Grand Am.

A bit of Devils advocate here:
1. What is the difference in the profits going to another country or sitting in some board members off shore bank account. Either way, I'll never see it.
2. What kind of cars do the board members of the big three drive?
3. Why should I only buy from an American company when that exact same company didn't return the favor with the components they used to make the product?
4. I do my best to stay out of debt while still having nice things. So, isn't it in my best interest to buy the best product in my price range?
5. There is a lot of things I can't buy an American made version of. We no longer make it, it's cheaper to make it off shore.

I've lost two jobs because the American owned company decided to cash in and sell to a foreign company and they in turn decided it was cheaper to have the job done somewhere else. :anger:

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Kind of like all the Jr fans the got #8 tatoos on there bodys. I like Stewart and Busch but that doesnt make me want to run out and buy a C.O.T. Because there all the same anyways.

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I'm sure the only reason that you are a Stewart and Busch fan is because of Joe Gibbs and his ties to the Redskins. But that is ok, root for who you like. That is what it's all about. I bet you were not a fan of Busch when he was driving for Hendricks last year. And are you going to be a fan of Tony Stewart with his team next year. If this is not the case then accept my apology. I have to agree with the #8 tats. The last thing I'm going to tat on me is a nascar racers number.

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Please tell me you are kidding. Last time I knew BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, etc, etc were never cheaper than US cars. They were better.

It was labor unions and the government that had to step in and mandate how the US worker would be treated. Most manufacturing companies didn't do it out us the goodness of their own heart and it wasn't until the 70's that we started caring about air quality. If companies were really concerned about worker safety and health we wouldn't need OHSA or MHSA. Big business only cares about the bottom line, PROFIT.

I have no pity for a company that pockets or wastes all the money rather than re-investing it and then gets stomped by the company that continued to develop its products, processes, and returned some of that money to the workers so they do a better job and care about the product they make.

I can't stand jobs going over seas but I refuse to P*** my money away to buy a product I know is inferior, which by the way 9 out of 10 times an American made product is not even an option.

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At least they were nice enough to make Jr's new #88. That way one would only have to have another 8 tatooed. Now the people that got a Bud tatoo on the other hand are screwed. Hope they like Khane and can route for a Dodge.

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Since you're bringing up things from 100 years ago,
why not bring up slavery too?
Things change.
The Japs have copied everything the Americans do,
with the exception of winning wars.
They have not had an original thought once.
They steal others' ideas and gullible people think they are better.
NOT!

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I won't argue that point. I actually never understood the whole rebuilding a country that attacked us with the most modern technology. We deserve a big old :smack: for that one. And yes they do steal others ideas and improve on them. Our problem is we design it and never improve on it until we are forced to while at the same time crying foul. Everyone knows if you want to stay the best you have to keep working hard. Some where along the line we decided we are the best and that is that so we stopped working to remain the best.

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Ive always liked Stewart and will continue when he moves to his own team.
The reason I liked him is the reason Kyle has grown on me, attitude. If I was a driver I would be the same way. I think Busch gets a bad wrap but he seems like a good guy. He drives tons of short track charity races for nothing and has even drove truck races for free. Time will tell though as usally it always ends up being about the $$$.

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Kyle is just like Dale Sr. You even loved him or hated him. People seem to forget that Sr would wreck someone if he couldn't pass them and then in the interview say it was the other drivers fault for not letting him pass them. To be the star of Nascar you either need to have the looks, the lack of proper pronucniation, or an attitude on the track. The more succesful drivers have the attitude. Ever listen to Jeff Gordon on the radio during a race, not quite the same guy you see in the interviews. Kyle just hasn't learned to flip that switch yet. I don't watch much Nascar anymore (my way of saying **** Nascar and Toyota) but Kyle can drive a car.

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Ok it is time for bristol Iam taking Carl 99#

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Kyle is just like Dale Sr. :confused: :confused:

You don't seem to know much about Ralph Earnhardt's son. :23:

http://www.earnhardtnation.com/ralph_earnhardt.html

He WAS more like his dad than you can imagine. My dad was a racer with Ralph and has on more than one occasion bought food for Ralph and Dale at the track. I remember camping with them in the early to mid 60's at Darlington, it was a struggle for everyone to afford those trips. To compare Dale to shrub is nuts in everyway way except the "winning" thing.

Go to Wal-Mart and spend $13 on the tin full of "Dale" DVD's. If anything, it paints a pretty picture of his early life. Let's see every crew come out to give congrats to shrub (or anyone else) winning the Daytona 500!!!! It ain't gonna happen and there was good reason for it. Keep in mind, I'm not even an Earnhardt fan. :23:

Why was Big E great: 17th with 4 laps to go and he pulls off the win. Check out the vid, I saw it in person and it was remarkable.
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And here come the penalties...

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/head...ies/index.html

:borg:

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I think the penalties were a bit soft.
They should have taken more points away.
Oil cap falls off, 100 point deduction.
Intentionally placing parts to mess with ASSCAR's data, 150?
Should have been 500.
Fine should have been 500 grand.
That would get the cheaters' attention.
Gee, ya think the Toilettas will get booed at Bristol?

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Booed? I'd be more surprised if they don't get shot at!
The 'indefinite' suspension of the crew chiefs is probably the best attention getter. I don't think the $ is ever the part of the penalty that hurts the overall group. I also thing the points fine could have been bigger (that will impact them monitarily more at the end of the season), and I wish the actual teams would have been suspended from racing for at least one race.

:borg:

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:agree:

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Not really, they got basically the same penalty as Truex who brought an illegal car to the the track with the intent of racing it.

I agree that by Nascar's rules hiding your true HP is cheating and they should be punished but which is worse? Hiding the HP level of a legal car or running a car that you know is illegal. I have yet to hear Nascar say the cars dynoed to high without the magnets.

As stated before I am not a Toyota fan and can't stand them being in Nascar but the penalties should fit the crime.

Hey G, the only reason Dale Sr got so much admiration after winning the 500 is because it took him so long to do it. I'd wager to say the same admiration would be shown to any driver that goes that long before winning it.

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I agree. :yes:

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Not a Toyota fan yet you do your best to back them on every post..

Hiding the horsepower of a legal car????? Too much horsepower makes the car illegal so hiding horsepower and legal car do not go together. And as you said the same penalty for a guy who tries to cheat as opposed to a team that did cheat the entire season...

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History will show that Jack Roush was right.

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Show me one thing that says the cars dynoed too high without the magnets and how have they cheated the whole season? Everything I read said they were trying to exaggerate the impact of the rule change, which is cheating but is far from the crime some of you guys are trying to make it out to be. True sports are about being fair, including the penalties. Kicking Toyoyta out of Nascar for what these two teams did is obserbed. Nascar ****** up when they let Toyota in and they and everyone else is going to have to live with that decision.

There is only one difference between a guy who gets caught trying to cheat and one who is found to have been cheating and that is timing.

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Like I said, Jack Roush was right.
ASSCAR gave away the farm trying to get Toiletta into the series.
All that ASSCAR did was perpetuate their own eventual failure.

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Couldn't agree more. I prefer going to a local dirt track as to watching Nascar. At least that is still real racing and not an overhyped IROC series.

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If you follow the rules and make more horsepower that means your cheating? Dont think so, that means you know what your doing.

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I'm not going to say that Toyota was cheating. They were given a huge upper hand by Nascar by allowing them to use modern tech while forcing Chevy and Ford to use the old tech they already had. However, it is infutible that Kyle Busch and his team were cheating. They were caught and was pathetic with trying to cover it up. They knew those cars exceeded the reduction in hp that Nascar mandated. A very good driver he is, but a Busch league(pun intended) action he and his team committed.

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I wouldn't do this either. By the way, this was at a car show and he had it in the "stock" class. He tried telling me it came from the factory like this. I asked him if he thought I was stupid or something. He says why? I'm like, "for one thing, the Dale Jr. edition is a Monte carlo SS, It only has the black "E" shaped decal on the side, and it doesn't have the owners name of the car above the door. 1/2 hour later, I walked by and noticed that he changed classes and went into modified class.

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/...1&d=1219455042

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/...1&d=1219455042

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All this bickering is about Toyota but I would bet that there is a lot of cheating going on with all the makes. The thing is, they just never got caught yet.

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Toyota wasn't cheating by making big HP numbers, they were just making more power than NASCAR thought prudent for a race where cars are supposed to have parity. Toyota chose to try to fake their test numbers by modifying the pedals with magnets so that they would get told by NASCAR what changes to make, but still secretly make more power than they were suposed to. That's the error in their ways, and that's when they cheated. They still should have gotten slapped down harder for that.

:borg:

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And that my friend has by far been the best summary of why it was cheating. :worship:


This recent episode by the "esteemed" Joe Gibbs and his racing team was one of the worst episodes of cheating in recent years in my opinion. Along with Mikey Waltrip and his Toyota team last year.